Concern over 'fixing' of Thailand's NRC candidates

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NATIONAL REFORM COUNCIL
Concern over 'fixing' of NRC candidates
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Election Commission (EC) secretary general Puchong Nutrawong suggested yesterday that the selection of National Reform Council (NRC) members might be delayed following allegations of candidate "fixing" at provincial level.

He said the National Council for Peace and Order may call another round of the NRC selection if there were any repercussion or controversies in the selection process.

"We may not have 250 NRC members in one round. It is up to the NCPO to decide whether there should be another round of selection to ensure transparency," he said.

Former deputy Senate speaker Anan Ariyachaiphanit filed a complaint with the Election Commission (EC), calling on it to investigate the selection process.

Anan said the fact that some members of the NRC selection committee in Surin were relatives of NRC applicants may not be fair to him and other NRC candidates. He warned that lack of good governance in the selection process might doom the reform efforts.

Puchong allayed Anan's concern, saying Anan was just speculating because at this stage no one including Anan knows who has been selected. The EC was not allowed to look at the selection results and the selection is done via a secret vote.

"The selection committee members are people with prestigious positions and no one wants to risk ruining their record,'' he said.

National Legislative Assembly (NLA) first deputy chairman Surachai Liengboonlertchai yesterday dismissed fixing allegations in the NRC selection process at provincial level.

Surachai insisted that the selection process of the NRC nominees had been carried out in accordance with standard procedures. The committees take into account the candidates' merit - competency and knowledge, he said.

The NRC selection panels voted in secret to select candidates, he added.

The NCPO would decide whether the names of the first round of selected candidates are announced. He said that disclosing the identity of first round selected candidates would help ensure transparency but there was a risk that selected candidates may try to lobby to secure NRC seats in the final round.

Puchong said that 68 provinces so far have completed the NRC selection process, while the remaining nine provinces would submit selected candidates today.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Concern-over-fixing-of-NRC-candidates-30243893.html


-- The Nation 2014-09-23

[englishoak]

Thais wouldnt do that, especially in NRC selections .. unthinkable.

Edited September 22, 2014 by englishoak

[NongKhaiKid]

Maybe the EC can help as they must have picked up a lot of useful information, and whisky, on their recent jolly. Sorry I mean fact finding trip.

[chainarong]

It is a sorry day indeed if this correct , Thailand has learned nothing from past history, the great coup that will change Thailand forever , reforms that will alter the Thai way forever , unfortunately the lowest common dominator hasn't been added into the mix Thai corrupt morals , to put it bluntly , Thailand will still have this moral corrupt in the wilderness struggling emerging economy syndrome in twenty years time, with 2 more well planned coups, the reason for this assessment , just take a look in the mirror.

[aussieinthailand]

Sorry I didn't intend to laugh out loud,

This guy claiming "transparency", and no one want's to "ruin their record", so why not apply this thinking with the little trip too Scotland?

Bugga did I just laugh again?

[rickirs]

From Gen. Prayuth we have learned that the flow of power is as follows:

NCPO appoints military

NCPO appoints NRC

NCPO appoints PM and Cabinet

NCPO appoints NLA

NCPO appoints "grassroots" leadership

NCPO can legislate

NCPO can judge

That seems pretty transparent to me. So why be concerned about any conflict of interests in the power structure? Obviously, neither the Supreme Court and the EC have any complaints - maybe they like their jobs?

Enjoy the Day.

[tbthailand]

and here I thought the headline was talking about the general.

[See the bears]

Thank god they got rid of the corruption, cronyism & nepotism.

"Lt Gen Preecha Chan-ocha, a younger brother of Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha was Tuesday promoted from the position of the Third Army Corps commander to the position of the Third Army Region commander." The Nation

[Expat Girl]

Thank god they got rid of the corruption, cronyism & nepotism.

"Lt Gen Preecha Chan-ocha, a younger brother of Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha was Tuesday promoted from the position of the Third Army Corps commander to the position of the Third Army Region commander." The Nation

More good news for the Kingdom, lets hope he follows in his big brothers footsteps and leads this country forward.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Expat Girl

[rubl]

From Gen. Prayuth we have learned that the flow of power is as follows:

NCPO appoints military

NCPO appoints NRC

NCPO appoints PM and Cabinet

NCPO appoints NLA

NCPO appoints "grassroots" leadership

NCPO can legislate

NCPO can judge

That seems pretty transparent to me. So why be concerned about any conflict of interests in the power structure? Obviously, neither the Supreme Court and the EC have any complaints - maybe they like their jobs?

Enjoy the Day.

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

[rubl]

Thank god they got rid of the corruption, cronyism & nepotism.

"Lt Gen Preecha Chan-ocha, a younger brother of Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha was Tuesday promoted from the position of the Third Army Corps commander to the position of the Third Army Region commander." The Nation

How many other Lt.Gen's were there who might be qualified ?

Oh, by the way, even that wonderfull NCPO needs a wee bit more time to get rid of corruption, cronyism and nepotism. Rumour has it they didn't want to bring the country to a stand still by dismissing all.

[fab4]

From Gen. Prayuth we have learned that the flow of power is as follows:

NCPO appoints military

NCPO appoints NRC

NCPO appoints PM and Cabinet

NCPO appoints NLA

NCPO appoints "grassroots" leadership

NCPO can legislate

NCPO can judge

That seems pretty transparent to me. So why be concerned about any conflict of interests in the power structure? Obviously, neither the Supreme Court and the EC have any complaints - maybe they like their jobs?

Enjoy the Day.

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Once again you mention the "threat" that the NCPO "might have to stay on a wee bit longer" and when they do it will be someone else's fault, they didn't place nice with the junta. It's plainly obvious you are getting your ducks in a row so that when the junta do stay on longer than their "self invite", you'll have an excuse for what is obvious to everybody else but the junta punters.

[rubl]

From Gen. Prayuth we have learned that the flow of power is as follows:

NCPO appoints military

NCPO appoints NRC

NCPO appoints PM and Cabinet

NCPO appoints NLA

NCPO appoints "grassroots" leadership

NCPO can legislate

NCPO can judge

That seems pretty transparent to me. So why be concerned about any conflict of interests in the power structure? Obviously, neither the Supreme Court and the EC have any complaints - maybe they like their jobs?

Enjoy the Day.

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Once again you mention the "threat" that the NCPO "might have to stay on a wee bit longer" and when they do it will be someone else's fault, they didn't place nice with the junta. It's plainly obvious you are getting your ducks in a row so that when the junta do stay on longer than their "self invite", you'll have an excuse for what is obvious to everybody else but the junta punters.

'threat'? Not at all, just applying logic. If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules, you are also asking them to spent much more time on the program of work. With the expected final results still reforms, constitution and elections, you are implicitly asking them to stay on longer.

It's not me who does the asking, or demanding.

BTW do you have any information on that prominent Surin family involved in the topic ?

Edited September 23, 2014 by rubl

[tbthailand]

From Gen. Prayuth we have learned that the flow of power is as follows:

NCPO appoints military

NCPO appoints NRC

NCPO appoints PM and Cabinet

NCPO appoints NLA

NCPO appoints "grassroots" leadership

NCPO can legislate

NCPO can judge

That seems pretty transparent to me. So why be concerned about any conflict of interests in the power structure? Obviously, neither the Supreme Court and the EC have any complaints - maybe they like their jobs?

Enjoy the Day.

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Why does it take a year to cut-n-paste the interim constitution and add an article that says every vote for the Dems counts twice?

OK, maybe 3x, the dems are feeble.

[rubl]

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Why does it take a year to cut-n-paste the interim constitution and add an article that says every vote for the Dems counts twice?

OK, maybe 3x, the dems are feeble.

Why can't you be a wee bit more serious ?

BTW the new constitution will not be a cut-and-paste job based on the interim constitution. The Interim Constitution is just that, interim.

The CRC will work on a new constitution, although personally I expect a lot of similarity with the 2007 constitution.

So, anyone with details on the Surin family with lots of its members interested in junta work ?

[craigt3365]

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[tbthailand]

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Why does it take a year to cut-n-paste the interim constitution and add an article that says every vote for the Dems counts twice?

OK, maybe 3x, the dems are feeble.

Why can't you be a wee bit more serious ?

BTW the new constitution will not be a cut-and-paste job based on the interim constitution. The Interim Constitution is just that, interim.

The CRC will work on a new constitution, although personally I expect a lot of similarity with the 2007 constitution.

So, anyone with details on the Surin family with lots of its members interested in junta work ?

I am serious. Tongue in cheek but serious.

Let's wait and see

1) how long it takes for a new constitution,

2) how truly open and democratic the new constitution is

3) how long the current PM stays PM

have a great day

btw, similarities to the 2007 constitution. Yeah, probably. Think about that one for a minute.

Edited September 24, 2014 by tbthailand

[fab4]

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Why does it take a year to cut-n-paste the interim constitution and add an article that says every vote for the Dems counts twice?

OK, maybe 3x, the dems are feeble.

Why can't you be a wee bit more serious ?

BTW the new constitution will not be a cut-and-paste job based on the interim constitution. The Interim Constitution is just that, interim.

The CRC will work on a new constitution, although personally I expect a lot of similarity with the 2007 constitution.

So, anyone with details on the Surin family with lots of its members interested in junta work ?

I am serious. Tongue in cheek but serious.

Let's wait and see

1) how long it takes for a new constitution,

2) how truly open and democratic the new constitution is

3) how long the current PM stays PM

have a great day

btw, similarities to the 2007 constitution. Yeah, probably. Think about that one for a minute.

Oh don't worry about that, rubl has stated a number of times just how similar the 2007 constitution was to the 1997 constitution. So if the 2015 / 2016 / 2017 / whenever constitution is finally promulgated it'll be just like the 1997 one, mark rubl's words..............

[Stradavarius37]

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It is a sorry day indeed if this correct , Thailand has learned nothing from past history, the great coup that will change Thailand forever , reforms that will alter the Thai way forever , unfortunately the lowest common dominator hasn't been added into the mix Thai corrupt morals , to put it bluntly , Thailand will still have this moral corrupt in the wilderness struggling emerging economy syndrome in twenty years time, with 2 more well planned coups, the reason for this assessment , just take a look in the mirror. width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Its not a sad day, its just a normal day - stop being so dramatic Nancy.

[rubl]

Why can't you be a wee bit more serious ?

BTW the new constitution will not be a cut-and-paste job based on the interim constitution. The Interim Constitution is just that, interim.

The CRC will work on a new constitution, although personally I expect a lot of similarity with the 2007 constitution.

So, anyone with details on the Surin family with lots of its members interested in junta work ?

I am serious. Tongue in cheek but serious.

Let's wait and see

1) how long it takes for a new constitution,

2) how truly open and democratic the new constitution is

3) how long the current PM stays PM

have a great day

btw, similarities to the 2007 constitution. Yeah, probably. Think about that one for a minute.

Oh don't worry about that, rubl has stated a number of times just how similar the 2007 constitution was to the 1997 constitution. So if the 2015 / 2016 / 2017 / whenever constitution is finally promulgated it'll be just like the 1997 one, mark rubl's words..............

First of all let me thank you for your near overwhelming faith in my expectations. I'm near tears at the moment

Mind you, the 2007 constitution is very similar to the 1997 version as you well know. What the 2015 version will be is 'anybodies guess'.

BTW no one with information on that Surin family mentioned vaguely in the OP? Is that because so many are willing to cooperate with the NCPO and in a NRC commission ?

[heybruce]

From Gen. Prayuth we have learned that the flow of power is as follows:

NCPO appoints military

NCPO appoints NRC

NCPO appoints PM and Cabinet

NCPO appoints NLA

NCPO appoints "grassroots" leadership

NCPO can legislate

NCPO can judge

That seems pretty transparent to me. So why be concerned about any conflict of interests in the power structure? Obviously, neither the Supreme Court and the EC have any complaints - maybe they like their jobs?

Enjoy the Day.

tjeez, you're blinded aren't you? Transparency?

Of course if you think that wasting a year or more to get the things done to get started also justifies having to ask the NCPO to stay on a wee bit longer as even a proper start requires cooperation and agreement by those who notoriously only agree that 'the others' are to be blamed.

Anyway this has to do with finding a way forward even if that means appointments by the NCPO.

BTW it would be interesting to get more details on that possibly political family which may dominate the Surin landscape.

Once again you mention the "threat" that the NCPO "might have to stay on a wee bit longer" and when they do it will be someone else's fault, they didn't place nice with the junta. It's plainly obvious you are getting your ducks in a row so that when the junta do stay on longer than their "self invite", you'll have an excuse for what is obvious to everybody else but the junta punters.

'threat'? Not at all, just applying logic. If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules, you are also asking them to spent much more time on the program of work. With the expected final results still reforms, constitution and elections, you are implicitly asking them to stay on longer.

It's not me who does the asking, or demanding.

BTW do you have any information on that prominent Surin family involved in the topic ?

"If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules,"

Good one ruble.

[rubl]

Once again you mention the "threat" that the NCPO "might have to stay on a wee bit longer" and when they do it will be someone else's fault, they didn't place nice with the junta. It's plainly obvious you are getting your ducks in a row so that when the junta do stay on longer than their "self invite", you'll have an excuse for what is obvious to everybody else but the junta punters.

'threat'? Not at all, just applying logic. If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules, you are also asking them to spent much more time on the program of work. With the expected final results still reforms, constitution and elections, you are implicitly asking them to stay on longer.

It's not me who does the asking, or demanding.

BTW do you have any information on that prominent Surin family involved in the topic ?

"If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules,"

Good one ruble.

When you're finished laughing and assuming you still have enough breath left, can you tell me if you do have some information on that Surin family the topic mentions ?

[heybruce]

Once again you mention the "threat" that the NCPO "might have to stay on a wee bit longer" and when they do it will be someone else's fault, they didn't place nice with the junta. It's plainly obvious you are getting your ducks in a row so that when the junta do stay on longer than their "self invite", you'll have an excuse for what is obvious to everybody else but the junta punters.

'threat'? Not at all, just applying logic. If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules, you are also asking them to spent much more time on the program of work. With the expected final results still reforms, constitution and elections, you are implicitly asking them to stay on longer.

It's not me who does the asking, or demanding.

BTW do you have any information on that prominent Surin family involved in the topic ?

"If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules,"

Good one ruble.

When you're finished laughing and assuming you still have enough breath left, can you tell me if you do have some information on that Surin family the topic mentions ?

None at all; I assume this whole process will be done by insider wheeling and dealing, with only those insiders in favor with the NCPO allowed to play. It's just the use of the words 'democratic rules' in the same sentence as NCPO that I find amusing.

[rubl]

"If you ask the NCPO to follow 'well established' democratic rules,"

Good one ruble.

When you're finished laughing and assuming you still have enough breath left, can you tell me if you do have some information on that Surin family the topic mentions ?

None at all; I assume this whole process will be done by insider wheeling and dealing, with only those insiders in favor with the NCPO allowed to play. It's just the use of the words 'democratic rules' in the same sentence as NCPO that I find amusing.

Well, that's nice of course, but the OP expressly mentions "some members of the NRC selection committee in Surin were relatives of NRC applicants".

Of course, if you're unwilling to be really bothered, apart from the usual 'assumptions' based on thin air, that's part of your usual stance, your opinion.

Doesn't really help with my question though.