Koh Tao murders: Police free bar owners and look for ex-village headman's son

[englishoak]

Please people stop repeating lies and stories and invented characters that do not exist. You are making this thread impossible to read! The police are looking for one man. So be it!

Lies? But it's previously stated that they have found semen from 2 different individuals? Also stated, that from other things at the crime scene it appears to be more than one murder.

Also, if it is this one guy that they are currently looking for, what are the odds for the investigation involvement of the uncle being trying to be meddling with the case? Do you honestly think that if it is this young man, that no one else has been involved at least in trying to make a coverup?

maybe you should try to actually follow the news, and not just the comments, and you will see that it would be very strange if it was so that it's only one man, and the relatives was just trying to help the police find the guilty, come on!

Edit: Why do you want people to shut up? Why did you only create a profile here on TV after this case started and also only been commenting on things related to this story?

One guy is preposterous unless they already have others in custody already.

There is no way this was the work of one with more than one murder weapon.... not a chance ....

There is a family involvement here, an Island one and almost certainly a police one too...

I become very suspicious of new joiners when they seem to have a specific or personal agenda. In this case siambuddy about says it all in the name... another apologist no doubt.

[Wilsonandson]

Of course its more than one person as there is 2 semen samples.

[siambuddy]

Please people stop repeating lies and stories and invented characters that do not exist. You are making this thread impossible to read! The police are looking for one man. So be it!

Lies? But it's previously stated that they have found semen from 2 different individuals? Also stated, that from other things at the crime scene it appears to be more than one murder.

Also, if it is this one guy that they are currently looking for, what are the odds for the investigation involvement of the uncle being trying to be meddling with the case? Do you honestly think that if it is this young man, that no one else has been involved at least in trying to make a coverup?

maybe you should try to actually follow the news, and not just the comments, and you will see that it would be very strange if it was so that it's only one man, and the relatives was just trying to help the police find the guilty, come on!

Edit: Why do you want people to shut up? Why did you only create a profile here on TV after this case started and also only been commenting on things related to this story?

Please, keep blathering on! Your insights are profound! You have posted about 65 times in this thread alone and are only adding to the confusion.

Please at least click on a few ads so that someone profits from this garbage!

Can someone tell me how to *block* a forum poster so I don't have to read this ridiculous garbage? I can't seem to figure it out.

And FYI I have read everything and I am sorry I did! >>>> $% ????? !!!!!!!

Don't call people out on lies, if you cannot stand the heat you will get in return.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to what you have been reading, if you honestly think that there is only one man who should be convicted in this case.

How blue are your eyes? seriously!!!

lumentum??? What is that the medication you're on? Did you click on some ads like I told you?

I'm out of here! REPORT BLOCK EDIT DELETE BYE BYE!!!!!

Check bin Krap!

[Snookyville]

Andy Lines has a pic of Seans blood stained guitar saying it was due to an accident before the murders took place. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BySl1TDIIAEGmIk.jpg

There is also some talk about Sean wanting to sell a scooter because of some money issue, which this accident could easily be related to.

I thought that was brought up as proof that he suddenly was interested in leaving the island while he had intended to stay half a year (therefore bought the bike). Maybe in the run-up to the day he was threatened, something was already slowly cooking so he was preparing himself already. Maybe he would have left sooner had he sold the scooter.

I tend to believe Sean, but as he had spent 18 months as a bartender I would not be surprised if he was 'friends' with the owner and his family, which also would make him cool to fellow travelers. Good pickup lines telling girls 'inside stories' of a long-stay farang. Maybe he heard enough strong stories how they 'take care of business' on the island. Maybe did even smoke yaba or ice with the rest of AC staff or the son of the owner who is on the run. Then friends turn foes.

I do remember such a strong story now as well that was told me at the time (last time for me on Koh Tao was around 15 years ago). Which went like this: there is a site near the island that is off-limits to all dive-operators as it is used as underwater cemetary to the local mafia for corpses that needed to be discarded. I filed that under 'crazy story, drunk guy talking who wants to sound interesting and in-the-know-of-it-all' (see above remark about being cool). It has not appeared on these boards since the murder so I suppose nobody heard similar stories and the guy was full of s**t?

[NonProphet]

Somebody posted the twitter of the gentleman they believe is wanted for questioning after fleeing.

This is his Facebook page.

[AJBangkok]

As for the "uncle" involvement just because his DNA wasn't a match doesn't mean he wasn't involved, It just means he didn't rape her.

[Iumentum]

Lies? But it's previously stated that they have found semen from 2 different individuals? Also stated, that from other things at the crime scene it appears to be more than one murder.

Also, if it is this one guy that they are currently looking for, what are the odds for the investigation involvement of the uncle being trying to be meddling with the case? Do you honestly think that if it is this young man, that no one else has been involved at least in trying to make a coverup?

maybe you should try to actually follow the news, and not just the comments, and you will see that it would be very strange if it was so that it's only one man, and the relatives was just trying to help the police find the guilty, come on!

Edit: Why do you want people to shut up? Why did you only create a profile here on TV after this case started and also only been commenting on things related to this story?

Please, keep blathering on! Your insights are profound! You have posted about 65 times in this thread alone and are only adding to the confusion.

Please at least click on a few ads so that someone profits from this garbage!

Can someone tell me how to *block* a forum poster so I don't have to read this ridiculous garbage? I can't seem to figure it out.

And FYI I have read everything and I am sorry I did! >>>> $% ????? !!!!!!!

Don't call people out on lies, if you cannot stand the heat you will get in return.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to what you have been reading, if you honestly think that there is only one man who should be convicted in this case.

How blue are your eyes? seriously!!!

lumentum??? What is that the medication you're on? Did you click on some ads like I told you?

I'm out of here! REPORT BLOCK EDIT DELETE BYE BYE!!!!!

Check bin Krap!

Haha, stoop the the level of insults? How low can you go?

Seem like you have nothing to say in defense of you entrance to this debate, and now running off with the tail between your legs.

[cacruden]

No cop here gets a living wage, they all have to make deals to get a cut of the local pies to survive, that automatically rules out the families of their co-dealies getting hung out to dry for their actions.

It is a dirty secret that previous governments HAVE NOT paid the police officers a living wage, which means that they expect the police to supplement their income. I believe they also have to pay for their own equipment such as their motorcycles (but not sure). Which is why if they are really serious about cleaning up the corruption they will adjust the salaries to be a good living wage. They would also give junior officers (those that have joined in the last 5 years or so) a bonus to cover the cost of payments that were required just to join the police force. They would create an elite AI police force that polices local police, and a civilian oversight board -- and it would require unanimity to close ongoing investigations. These AI police would be elite - very highly paid officers. All police officers would have to go through retraining, and grading from the retraining would determine which track the police would take (bring in respected police forces from regional forces that have a very high reputation to help in the training). Increase the punishments (military stockade like prison for corrupt police; confiscation of all assets; etc.). Rotate the police every three years to make sure they shuffle the decks as to make it more difficult for groups of corrupt officers to thrive.

[Keesters]

All this one man two man stuff. Isn't it: They have one and are looking for another one? Making two

Or have they let the one they had go and are looking for another one? Making one which seems wrong as I'm pretty sure reading there was 2 semen DNAs found.

Confused!!

Edited September 24, 2014 by Keesters

[Iumentum]

All this one man two man stuff. Isn't it: They have one and are looking for the other?

Or have they let the one they had go?

Confused!!

As far as i understood, then the uncle is in custody but not arrested.

[Wilsonandson]

Andy Lines the Daily Mirror reporter is heading home. Other big reporters will follow. Is this becoming less interesting to the public and the world? In another 2 weeks it will mostly be forgotten about outside Thailand. Our the police stretching this out on purpose? The news a couple of days ago seemed to be that they,d caught Hannah's and David's killers. The longer this goes on the more painful it must be for the victims families.

[Keesters]

All this one man two man stuff. Isn't it: They have one and are looking for the other?

Or have they let the one they had go?

Confused!!

As far as i understood, then the uncle is in custody but not arrested.

So assuming the one in custody will be charged (they let everyone else go didn't they) and they are looking for one more makes everyone in the one man two man posts correct and just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Snookyville]

Sean was convicted of possessing photos of naked underage girls.

Doesn't automatically make him a murder though.

Could to weird goings on though.

In my book a bloke involved with kiddy stuff is strange, odd, mental, and should stay out my way.........

Yes it does not do him any good. But we know nothing of the case, only that he was sentenced to community service and I would expect a much tougher sentence if it really was kiddy porn and not somebody maybe 17 years and 360 days old. I could not find the verdict of Hamilton's Sheriff court.

And don't forget last month, when the iCloud accounts of many celebrities were hacked. Pictures appeared on the web but the batch also contained a picture of McKayla Maroney - who was underage when it was taken. Everybody who downloaded the whole batch and did not take care removing these pictures essentially has kiddy stuff on his hard drive. And removing might not be enough as that only removes pointers while the files will live on your harddisk until these are overwritten with other data. And as most users probably don't know how to selectively write data over these sectors of the drive, there are potentially thousands of people guilty of this crime if their computers would be scrutinized in a forensic investigation.

The friend of Sean said it was downloaded by mistake and immediately removed but as stated above hitting the <delete> key does not remove the file itself - only the file-pointers. All data can still be recovered with the right software.

[Iumentum]

All this one man two man stuff. Isn't it: They have one and are looking for the other?

Or have they let the one they had go?

Confused!!

As far as i understood, then the uncle is in custody but not arrested.

So assuming the one in custody will be charged (they let everyone else go didn't they) and they are looking for one more makes everyone in the one man two man posts correct and just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Somewhat, however the police has stated: Mr. Warot is currently the primary suspect, as DNA test results have cleared all other potential suspects previously detained by police.

Edit: but since it's previously detained, it might not count for the uncle who is still detained for what i know.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Iumentum

[cookee68]

I think the police have turned over a new leaf and are going to pursue this case, no matter where or who it leads to. I believe it is because the army has their back; both to support them and to keep them on the straight and narrow path of righteousness.

If they can bring in the guilty parties and make a credible case against them (no matter who is their father), it will go a long way to restoring respect and confidence in the RTP.

You say the police have turned a new leaf regarding the case? Sure after nearly 2 weeks of trying to set people up, ignore the fact Thais could be involved, local enforcement probably covering things up, ignoring help from outside such as the FBI and having the entire world breaking their balls, good on them...

Sorry but I have no respect for them whatsoever, they handled this in a typical Thai manner, it was a circus and laughing stock, horrific images were leaked, the crime scene was a shambles with regards to how it was fenced off and investigated, the GENERAL and his outstanding bikini comment and who can forget blaming the victims friend on the grounds he was a potential homosexual. Yep, looks like Koh Tao and the rest of Thailand has a booming future

The FBI!! No self respecting country would allow a foreign governments police force to meddle in their internal investigations. And the whole world is not breaking their balls. The world consists of more than the UK and US....The PM made an error due to his lack of experience with foreign media. The Thai police are doing their best. And yes. Koh Tao and Thailand has a booming future ahead of them......Heinous crimes happen everywhere not just in Thai.....

yes : but Thailand is not a self respecting country, as shown many times, so your statement goes out the window, and the police are not so much stupid, more afraid would be the right word, but then why become a policeman if you got no balls to search for the truth? Many countries are looking in because it could be their citizens one day, plus the fact that Thailand has a bad reputation for hiding the truth. This is still a country of corruption and that will never change, no matter who takes control, which is a shame as it has so much to offer, 97% of murders in the UK ARE SOLVED, COMPARED TO 92% OF MURDERS IN THAILAND ARE UNSOLVED?

[Lukecan]

No cop here gets a living wage, they all have to make deals to get a cut of the local pies to survive, that automatically rules out the families of their co-dealies getting hung out to dry for their actions.

It is a dirty secret that previous governments HAVE NOT paid the police officers a living wage, which means that they expect the police to supplement their income. I believe they also have to pay for their own equipment such as their motorcycles (but not sure). Which is why if they are really serious about cleaning up the corruption they will adjust the salaries to be a good living wage. They would also give junior officers (those that have joined in the last 5 years or so) a bonus to cover the cost of payments that were required just to join the police force. They would create an elite AI police force that polices local police, and a civilian oversight board -- and it would require unanimity to close ongoing investigations. These AI police would be elite - very highly paid officers. All police officers would have to go through retraining, and grading from the retraining would determine which track the police would take (bring in respected police forces from regional forces that have a very high reputation to help in the training). Increase the punishments (military stockade like prison for corrupt police; confiscation of all assets; etc.). Rotate the police every three years to make sure they shuffle the decks as to make it more difficult for groups of corrupt officers to thrive.

I've heard stories about corrupt cops collecting as much as 400-500k baht a month, There is no way you can give them this wage, even the police in the west are not well off like their thai counterparts.

[mataleo]

https://twitter.com/c4sparks/status/514719203790565377

Thai police tell @Channel4News that 'prime suspect' in Koh Tao murders 'on the run' in Bangkok is in fact not on the run and not a suspect.

[green job]

I think this Sean guy should return to Thailand,and help with the enquiries, To me his story sounds like somthing out of the Walter- Mitty stories,it also has a strange smell of fish.

[Wilsonandson]

O.J Simpson got away with murder can Mr Mon and his University of BS brother?

[green job]

I should also like to add,that I have never ever heard so much crxp in my life. I am sure he was present,when this all took place. If he had gone back to the UK

they would of pulled him for for a nice chat.And this he new.

[Snookyville]

Yes it does not do him any good. But we know nothing of the case, only that he was sentenced to community service and I would expect a much tougher sentence if it really was kiddy porn and not somebody maybe 17 years and 360 days old. I could not find the verdict of Hamilton's Sheriff court.

And don't forget last month, when the iCloud accounts of many celebrities were hacked. Pictures appeared on the web but the batch also contained a picture of McKayla Maroney - who was underage when it was taken. Everybody who downloaded the whole batch and did not take care removing these pictures essentially has kiddy stuff on his hard drive. And removing might not be enough as that only removes pointers while the files will live on your harddisk until these are overwritten with other data. And as most users probably don't know how to selectively write data over these sectors of the drive, there are potentially thousands of people guilty of this crime if their computers would be scrutinized in a forensic investigation.

The friend of Sean said it was downloaded by mistake and immediately removed but as stated above hitting the <delete> key does not remove the file itself - only the file-pointers. All data can still be recovered with the right software.

True, but when police involvement ends in prosecution there must have been a reason for the investigation to start.

Also true. Every time I hear somebody using the defense that something was downloaded 'by mistake' or as 'by-catch' searching for something else I get a bit suspicious. I never have encountered that myself in around 20 years of Internet Use.

The real kiddy-porn networks are not something to stumble upon by mistake. One has to contribute unique material before allowed access, and identities are hidden behind proxies and .onion sites. So not something you get to see when you click some advert for 'hot girls movies'.

[Wilsonandson]

I should also like to add,that I have never ever heard so much crxp in my life. I am sure he was present,when this all took place. If he had gone back to the UK

they would of pulled him for for a nice chat.And this he new.

Well, there's no proof to back this up, Yes I think you're right he definitely has something to do with the murders, but what? Was he a witness, Did he trick Hannah and David to follow him to the beach then they were ambushed? Or is he telling the truth. Without a witness its only speculation.

[Iumentum]

I think this Sean guy should return to Thailand,and help with the enquiries, To me his story sounds like somthing out of the Walter- Mitty stories,it also has a strange smell of fish.

I also think that Sean probably got information about this case, but maybe he did try to share that info, but with the wrong people.

Anyway, if i was in his shoes, guilty or not, and if he is in fact out of Thailand now, i sure wouldn't return unless i was forced to.

[ttthailand]

Until a witness comes forward who saw Sean with Mon and his brothers committing the terrible act if this was them, who knows, then its just speculation.

Or DNA connects the son then you also connect the uncle for trying to coverup and anyone with the son that night.

[sabaitoo]

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/514749451202613251

Folgen

Jonathan Head‏@pakhead

@RichardBarrow They had not yet tested DNA of Tuvichien brothers and have not even found the son yet. How could they dismiss them so fast?

[cacruden]

Clarifications:

- It takes a couple days at least for DNA results to come back - so a person might (guessing - not a Thai lawyer) be held without charges until the DNA tests come back if they think they are a flight risk.

- In the west police often don't use the word suspect unless they have enough evidence to charge but a very weak case at that point.... Calling a person a suspect changes the rules a bit. That is why you will often here the police say "person of interest", "person that we want to interview because they may have pertinent information" (etc). Not sure if they have the same thing here in Thailand.

- A person is technically not "on the run" until they are facing arrest. So if someone were splitting hairs, they might say that they are not on the run -- but they are a person that they want to interview (and test the DNA of).

[green job]

I think this Sean guy should return to Thailand,and help with the enquiries, To me his story sounds like somthing out of the Walter- Mitty stories,it also has a strange smell of fish.

I also think that Sean probably got information about this case, but maybe he did try to share that info, but with the wrong people.

Anyway, if i was in his shoes, guilty or not, and if he is in fact out of Thailand now, i sure wouldn't return unless i was forced to.

Yes I agree, But I am sure he is the key to all. Just take a look at the photos of him in 7/11 trying to get into a deep freeze What a load of bull.

[Wilsonandson]

Richard Barrow's twitter page says the suspect the police are after who fled the island for Bkk is not wanted for the murders anymore cause the DNA didn't match. This apparently is what a sub editor of a English Thai newspaper says the onewith the initials B P.

[Iumentum]

I think this Sean guy should return to Thailand,and help with the enquiries, To me his story sounds like somthing out of the Walter- Mitty stories,it also has a strange smell of fish.

I also think that Sean probably got information about this case, but maybe he did try to share that info, but with the wrong people.

Anyway, if i was in his shoes, guilty or not, and if he is in fact out of Thailand now, i sure wouldn't return unless i was forced to.

Yes I agree, But I am sure he is the key to all. Just take a look at the photos of him in 7/11 trying to get into a deep freeze What a load of bull.

Oh, back to the chilling in Thailand photos? Seriously? Is that the best reason you can come up with to find him and his story suspicious? Have you never have a photo taken where you did something silly just for the fun of it? There is a whole bunch of far more suspicious things to dig up to find a reason to link Sean to the incident.

Very poor attempt, please come again!

Edit: oh, and i hope you're not really linking that deep freezer photo to the incident where Sean should have been threatened to hang himself, where he ran to a 7-11.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Iumentum

[mataleo]

Police blame delayed probe on social media

on bkk post