Army C-in-C Gen Prayut passes baton to successor

[Expat Girl]

Thank you Dear Exiled Member, good to see you are on my side, your one of many i shall note down your loyalty.

[fab4]

Democracy shall be returned to the people when? The people are smiling, but what do they really think? Why aren't both sides of the political arena taking part in political reform? The people need to be represented by all walks of life and with all opinions on how to move forward. Hong Kong people are voicing their opinions right now on democracy.

Well, seven months of chaos showed a distinct lack of inclination to participate in reforms by political parties or protest groups. The Democrats and PDRC maybe but unclear what type apart from that unavoidably being one side only. Having Gen. Prayut gather them, lean on them and look over their shoulder they seemed to only, grudgingly, agree that the others were to be blamed.

Now the NRC may have been a good idea, but the response seems unsatisfying. Still the various ccommittees are requires to seek input from all Thai, all Thai are asked to provide input, ideas and so. If that happens the NRC can formulate reforms acceptable by most Thai. Not an easy job, but essential for a step forward.

PS democracy shall be "returned" ? How can you return something which was never really there?

Democracy never there? How so, rubl? Was the democracy there when abhisit was PM and then it suddenly disappeared when the wrong people were voted in? What a ridiculous statement.

[rubl]

Democracy shall be returned to the people when? The people are smiling, but what do they really think? Why aren't both sides of the political arena taking part in political reform? The people need to be represented by all walks of life and with all opinions on how to move forward. Hong Kong people are voicing their opinions right now on democracy.

Well, seven months of chaos showed a distinct lack of inclination to participate in reforms by political parties or protest groups. The Democrats and PDRC maybe but unclear what type apart from that unavoidably being one side only. Having Gen. Prayut gather them, lean on them and look over their shoulder they seemed to only, grudgingly, agree that the others were to be blamed.

Now the NRC may have been a good idea, but the response seems unsatisfying. Still the various ccommittees are requires to seek input from all Thai, all Thai are asked to provide input, ideas and so. If that happens the NRC can formulate reforms acceptable by most Thai. Not an easy job, but essential for a step forward.

PS democracy shall be "returned" ? How can you return something which was never really there?

Democracy never there? How so, rubl? Was the democracy there when abhisit was PM and then it suddenly disappeared when the wrong people were voted in? What a ridiculous statement.

I wrote 'never really'. With you being English I would have thought you to understand the difference. It's like suggesting that 'democracy' as most people in the Western World know it wasn't here in Thailand.

As for your "but, but Abhisit" remark, wrong assumption, and follow up remark therefor based on a wrong assumption. Still nice try to suggest I said something I didn't.

[fab4]

Democracy shall be returned to the people when? The people are smiling, but what do they really think? Why aren't both sides of the political arena taking part in political reform? The people need to be represented by all walks of life and with all opinions on how to move forward. Hong Kong people are voicing their opinions right now on democracy.

Well, seven months of chaos showed a distinct lack of inclination to participate in reforms by political parties or protest groups. The Democrats and PDRC maybe but unclear what type apart from that unavoidably being one side only. Having Gen. Prayut gather them, lean on them and look over their shoulder they seemed to only, grudgingly, agree that the others were to be blamed.

Now the NRC may have been a good idea, but the response seems unsatisfying. Still the various ccommittees are requires to seek input from all Thai, all Thai are asked to provide input, ideas and so. If that happens the NRC can formulate reforms acceptable by most Thai. Not an easy job, but essential for a step forward.

PS democracy shall be "returned" ? How can you return something which was never really there?

Democracy never there? How so, rubl? Was the democracy there when abhisit was PM and then it suddenly disappeared when the wrong people were voted in? What a ridiculous statement.

I wrote 'never really'. With you being English I would have thought you to understand the difference. It's like suggesting that 'democracy' as most people in the Western World know it wasn't here in Thailand.

As for your "but, but Abhisit" remark, wrong assumption, and follow up remark therefor based on a wrong assumption. Still nice try to suggest I said something I didn't.

That's your argument? - you said "was never really there"? You have to be kidding me.

I'm fully conversant with the definition of "really", even if you're not;

really : "in actual fact, as opposed to what is said or imagined to be true or possible"

so your phrase never really there means it was never there in actual fact i.e there was no democracy.

If you were more au fait with the English Language than you think you are you would also realise that I used the abhisit period of "democracy" as an indicator of the absurdity of your statement and nowhere did I suggest that you had said that. Though when considering that phrase, democracy, one does need to take into consideration the dubious method used to put abhisit in place which certainly stretched the definition of democracy at that time........................

Edited October 2, 2014 by fab4

[beautifulthailand99]

I have tried to understand the Thai 'approach' to the army etc.

What I mean by that is has the army ever fought anyone?. I know a Thai regiment fought with valour in the Korean war, but apart from that I'm not sure.

Great emphasis is made at times to the fact Thailand has never been colonised invaded occupied - although of course the Japanese were here once in the north and Thailand declared war on the west, presumably under orders from Tokyo.

Given that sort of 'education' I wonder if that is why Thailand often sees itself as the centre of the universe at times. Also, the army, in the absence of any other function, has always seen itself solely as the bastion of domestic peace and order.

Now I have never been to Cambodia, Laos or Vietnam as many other TV posters have, and I often wonder whether the legacy of colonisation, wars against the French, Americans and each other (Vietnam) somehow give those nations a broader view of the world. I don't know.

I'm not knocking the Thai's - I live here quite happily, but I do despair at times as to their approach to what is the function of an army and the insular attitude that seems to prevail.

I was in the UK army for 22 years, and I know it's ludicrous to compare but I doubt the thought of internal interference in the country's affairs, ever crossed my mind.

Bit of a ramble I know, but I hope any reader can have a semblance of understanding what I'm trying to say - it comes from sheer frustration.

They fought the 'communists' back in the 1970s and killed thousands of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Drum_killings

[rubl]

Well, seven months of chaos showed a distinct lack of inclination to participate in reforms by political parties or protest groups. The Democrats and PDRC maybe but unclear what type apart from that unavoidably being one side only. Having Gen. Prayut gather them, lean on them and look over their shoulder they seemed to only, grudgingly, agree that the others were to be blamed.

Now the NRC may have been a good idea, but the response seems unsatisfying. Still the various ccommittees are requires to seek input from all Thai, all Thai are asked to provide input, ideas and so. If that happens the NRC can formulate reforms acceptable by most Thai. Not an easy job, but essential for a step forward.

PS democracy shall be "returned" ? How can you return something which was never really there?

Democracy never there? How so, rubl? Was the democracy there when abhisit was PM and then it suddenly disappeared when the wrong people were voted in? What a ridiculous statement.

I wrote 'never really'. With you being English I would have thought you to understand the difference. It's like suggesting that 'democracy' as most people in the Western World know it wasn't here in Thailand.

As for your "but, but Abhisit" remark, wrong assumption, and follow up remark therefor based on a wrong assumption. Still nice try to suggest I said something I didn't.

That's your argument? - you said "was never really there"? You have to be kidding me.

I'm fully conversant with the definition of "really", even if you're not;

really : "in actual fact, as opposed to what is said or imagined to be true or possible"

so your phrase never really there means it was never there in actual fact i.e there was no democracy.

If you were more au fait with the English Language than you think you are you would also realise that I used the abhisit period of "democracy" as an indicator of the absurdity of your statement and nowhere did I suggest that you had said that. Though when considering that phrase, democracy, one does need to take into consideration the dubious method used to put abhisit in place which certainly stretched the definition of democracy at that time........................

So, 'not really' means 'not actual OR not as such'. You even admit as much in stretching the definition of democracy.

You make assumptions of what you think (or want to think) of what I said. I explain. You continue as in 'not believing my explanation' and go on and on with a diatribe based on what you think rather than what I wrote.

Now please pass that baton, you're out.

[heyexile]

Thank you Dear Exiled Member, good to see you are on my side, your one of many i shall note down your loyalty.

As long as it`s not noted on the Lord High Executioner`s Little List (Mikado).

Love the avatar, something about a gal in uniform always makes the heart beat faster.

Look forward to marching in happy step with you and trust my unquestioning support will reflect favourably should I ever need a visa favour.