Suspects in Koh Tao backpacker murders retract confessions, says official

[Wilsonandson]

what right under international law does a country have to meddle in another countries internal affairs?

war of jenkin's ear?

The one where two of its citizens have been murdered and there's reasonable suspicion of a cover up. No "right" to do this but to remove the doubt it would be wise for the Thai government to invite the UK police into the investigation, give them full access to the evidence.

I'd have thought this would be obvious at this point?

wise?

that sounds like a threat!

Leave MJP alone, you guys are solving nothing arguing !

[jdinasia]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

[AGareth2]

there is no such thing as justice on Earth

there is only due process of law

Justice comes from God for all of us one day

[BuddhistVirus]

all that can be asked by outside authorities is that it is seen to be fair

the dead cannot be brought back to life

They could submit evidence to the defence though. If they have or can get that evidence.

If you think there was a conspiracy to frame the 2 Burmese men, do you really think exculpatory evidence still exists?

If the UK has done the autopsy and recovered forensic (DNA) evidence and the two Burmese boys haven't "committed suicide" and been cremated yet, then yes.

Explained in a recent post

If there was a conspiracy

... It is unlikely that viable DNA would be found. If was and matched the 2 Burmese men people would claim it was planted.

What do you mean by 'it's unlikely that viable DNA would be found.'?

[MJP]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

[Wilsonandson]

there is no such thing as justice on Earth

there is only due process of law

Justice comes from God for all of us one day

Sorry no religious posts. Forum rules

[TheCruncher]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

You're not gonna claim that lady deserves any credibility in forensics do you. Come on you can do better.

[jdinasia]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

You mean the woman that said the GT2000 was useful?

You didn't read what I wrote earlier did you? I repeated it for you and you replied to the post.

If it points at the 2 Burmese men everyone will say it was planted.

Though it is more likely that no viable DNA would be found.

[MJP]

^^ Well apparently she's the best they have in Thailand. Make of that what you will.

[hobz]

Just had a chat with a thai woman that befriended me from CSI LA .. She said "i wish i wasnt born in thailand, it's 100% corruption" .. She said that this whole thing Shames Thailand ... I'm pretty sure she's not the only one thinking that.

[englishoak]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

It is interesting how you say your unsure yet your posts say otherwise.

You wont even comment on the strong possibility theres other than these 2 involved, not once .... you want it open and shut and post to the effect theres just 2 rapists/killers.. everything points to that not being the case regardless.

Your not really interested in this case being investigated properly are you ? you more interested in a half assed job and a forced trail with conviction... open and shut..

It wouldnt be the fact you have personal ties to KT by any chance would it ?

Or is your growing need to post and answer every thread with the same flippant spam just boredom ?

[jdinasia]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

BTW I like Khunying Pornthip. I met her a few times when I was studying at CU. She is impressive but the GT2000 fiasco certainly killed her as an expert witness for the UK.

[hobz]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

[BuddhistVirus]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

You mean the woman that said the GT2000 was useful?

You didn't read what I wrote earlier did you? I repeated it for you and you replied to the post.

If it points at the 2 Burmese men everyone will say it was planted.

Though it is more likely that no viable DNA would be found.

'it is more like that no viable DNA would be found' where?

[jdinasia]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

It is interesting how you say your unsure yet your posts say otherwise.

You wont even comment on the strong possibility theres other than these 2 involved, not once .... you want it open and shut and post to the effect theres just 2 rapists/killers.. everything points to that not being the case regardless.

Your not really interested in this case being investigated properly are you ? you more interested in a half assed job and a forced trail with conviction... open and shut..

It wouldnt be the fact you have personal ties to KT by any chance would it ?

Or is your growing need to post and answer every thread with the same flippant spam just boredom ?

Yet more ad hominem attacks.. Pathetic.

As stated I think they have the killers. The trial will give the defense ample opportunity to confront all of the evidence. To bring in expert witnesses etc

[Wilsonandson]

^^ Well apparently she's the best they have in Thailand. Make of that what you will.

She's a wonderful woman, courageous and changed the way the police force investigates forever using forensic evidence to solve crimes. She is loved by many as the founder of forensic science in Thailand.

[MJP]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

You mean the woman that said the GT2000 was useful?

You didn't read what I wrote earlier did you? I repeated it for you and you replied to the post.

If it points at the 2 Burmese men everyone will say it was planted.

Though it is more likely that no viable DNA would be found.

If the UK can in fact confirm the DNA evidence to be true. Case closed for all but the hardiest of conspiracy theorists. It will put this whole saga to bed.

What's the problem with asking the UK to independently confirm RTP evidence?

If they can't, well the just can't.

[MJP]

^^ Well apparently she's the best they have in Thailand. Make of that what you will.

She's a wonderful woman, courageous and changed the way the police force investigates forever using forensic evidence to solve crimes. She is loved by many as the founder of forensic science in Thailand.

This was my impression too.

[jdinasia]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

[jdinasia]

^^ You hope.

Huh???

You heard me.

I hope what?? Seriously don't understand.

You hope there isn't evidence to the contrary is what. It's pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks for demonstrating what a straw man is.

I think they have the killers. That doesn't mean I am sure. That is what a trial is for.

The trouble is the "evidence" will not be trusted. The confessions turned out not to be confessions. Phones all over the place. Taxi driver saying the RTP tried to bribe a false witness statement out of him. Suspicious CCTV footage, some say doctored. All manner of other carnage.

DNA testing from the UK authorities please. That will clear this up in an instant.

I have already explained why DNA testing will not be accepted even if done by the UK if it points at the 2 Burmese men.

Even this lady has said Thai police forensic evidence is in doubt. So that's admissible, but UK forensic evidence cannot even be used by the defence?

You mean the woman that said the GT2000 was useful?

You didn't read what I wrote earlier did you? I repeated it for you and you replied to the post.

If it points at the 2 Burmese men everyone will say it was planted.

Though it is more likely that no viable DNA would be found.

If the UK can in fact confirm the DNA evidence to be true. Case closed for all but the hardiest of conspiracy theorists. It will put this whole saga to bed.

What's the problem with asking the UK to independently confirm RTP evidence?

If they can't, well the just can't.

How many people commenting on these threads are of the hardiest type?

[englishoak]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

Just listen to yourself

[BuddhistVirus]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

Even if everyone were pointing their fingers at you for being a suspect? Even if you would want to clear your name off the suspect list?

[englishoak]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

Just listen to yourself, i expect the ones refusing to give DNA and the boys who have think the same

Edited October 12, 2014 by englishoak

[Wilsonandson]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

Are you OK jdinasia? Why are you replying to nearly every post? Are you trying to prove a master of the debating society point? In your opinion what happened on KT? You need a rest dear boy before you blow your top.

[jabis]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

Double edged sword - I indeed would volunteer mine, to be acquitted from persecution, in my own country, because of the relatively low level of corruption regarding police here - would be hesitant about it in a developing country and/or where the relative level of corruption would be high, or even allegedly so, were it not in written that the sample will be a) destroyed after the investigation at hand, and be verifiable by any third party upon requested.

[jdinasia]

I have long suspected that some people are very afraid to admit that the system is corrupt and that there's all sorts of conspiracies going on.. I think they are so afraid to admit it because they have been taught since being small kids that the government and police etc are there to protect them and that they are perfect guardians that will always help the ones that are innocent. FEAR

The same conclusions could be reached regarding the conspiracy theorists here.

Personally I fear all governments a bit. Hence why I would never volunteer DNA.

Even if everyone were pointing their fingers at you for being a suspect? Even if you would want to clear your name off the suspect list?

The consensus is that the RTP are corrupt to the last man. If I accept that as even 20% true then why would I? Currently the man most of the conspiracy theorists here are pointing at has an alibi. He is not a suspect for the RTP. So no, I would not.

[MJP]

jdinasia, you seem to be dead against independent DNA testing. You appear to find any possible excuse as to why this shouldn't or can't happen.

If I'm wrong, please tell me so, as I have no doubt you will.

[koele2]

The good thing about this case is that Thais with no vested interest in the outcome are coming out and seeking justice against a system they have lived with and grown up with all their lives. They are so sick of seeing people with access get away with things and get to cut in the front of the line, and are starting to connect together through the internet/facebook to fight back against a system so unfair to the average Thai person.

Almost everyone in Thailand will not get anything if the two Burmese guys get set free, yet the people on CSI LA continue to press their case, right or wrong, in search of justice. Its good to see people here fight for whats right instead of quietly accepting the status quo and business as usual.

Another thing in their favor is that it is not political. It is about corruption, which the military themselves have stated they wish to stamp out. They cannot censor a movement to prove the innocence of the wrongly accused, without further fanning the flames and implicating themselves. I wonder if the police can throw people in jail for not believing them?

[jdinasia]

jdinasia, you seem to be dead against independent DNA testing. You appear to find any possible excuse as to why this shouldn't or can't happen.

If I'm wrong, please tell me so, as I have no doubt you will.

Not against it at all. I don't think it will happen though, and I do think it would not solve anything.

[jdinasia]

The good thing about this case is that Thais with no vested interest in the outcome are coming out and seeking justice against a system they have lived with and grown up with all their lives. They are so sick of seeing people with access get away with things and get to cut in the front of the line, and are starting to connect together through the internet/facebook to fight back against a system so unfair to the average Thai person.

Almost everyone in Thailand will not get anything if the two Burmese guys get set free, yet the people on CSI LA continue to press their case, right or wrong, in search of justice. Its good to see people here fight for whats right instead of quietly accepting the status quo and business as usual.

Another thing in their favor is that it is not political. It is about corruption, which the military themselves have stated they wish to stamp out. They cannot censor a movement to prove the innocence of the wrongly accused, without further fanning the flames and implicating themselves. I wonder if the police can throw people in jail for not believing them?

Another one that knows for sure.....