Just had a look at your group and the fixtures to come,i think you will struggle especially having Bayern at home the last game two away games in Naples and Villareal......tough ask in my opinion

Just had a look at your group and the fixtures to come,i think you will struggle especially having Bayern at home the last game two away games in Naples and Villareal......tough ask in my opinion

I noticed that too...but I'm far too polite to say anything.

Just had a look at your group and the fixtures to come,i think you will struggle especially having Bayern at home the last game two away games in Naples and Villareal......tough ask in my opinion

Actually the way I see things panning out in the Group, Bayern will have already qualified by the last game and will likely send a 2nd string side to City. Look at how Utd have played things in the past.

If you bear in mind that Villareal have no points and cant qualify then an away win there isnt a big ask. In fact the only trulyy competitive game may well be Naples where a draw might well be good enough.

Just had a look at your group and the fixtures to come,i think you will struggle especially having Bayern at home the last game two away games in Naples and Villareal......tough ask in my opinion

Actually the way I see things panning out in the Group, Bayern will have already qualified by the last game and will likely send a 2nd string side to City. Look at how Utd have played things in the past.

If you bear in mind that Villareal have no points and cant qualify then an away win there isnt a big ask. In fact the only trulyy competitive game may well be Naples where a draw might well be good enough.

yes, this is a better assesment and i agree. I reckon City will go through.

I'm sure you are relieved to hear my words Mr B

I'm sure you are relieved to hear my words Mr B

Thanks Carms. I was totally depressed with Reds assessment but yours has cheered me up

I'm sure you are relieved to hear my words Mr B

Thanks Carms. I was totally depressed with Reds assessment but yours has cheered me up

They were Abrak's words weren't they? No statistical evidence to back it up neither.

I'm worried he's actually started watching the games....

I'm sure you are relieved to hear my words Mr B

Thanks Carms. I was totally depressed with Reds assessment but yours has cheered me up

They were Abrak's words weren't they? No statistical evidence to back it up neither.

I'm worried he's actually started watching the games....

No smokes, Red said this:-

Just had a look at your group and the fixtures to come,i think you will struggle especially having Bayern at home the last game two away games in Naples and Villareal......tough ask in my opinion

I don't think Bayern will throw that game if there's a chance of knocking you out.

I don't think Bayern will throw that game if there's a chance of knocking you out.

Exactly smokes

I don't think Bayern will throw that game if there's a chance of knocking you out.

It could also end up being a game that determines who finishes top. Not being a seasoned Champions League specialist I presume the top finisher gets the easier route after the league?

If anything i can see it as a game you might have to win while Napoli will have to beat Villarreal !

I don't think Bayern will throw that game if there's a chance of knocking you out.

Exactly smokes

The fact is that sending a second string squad to what is a totally meaningless match to Bayern is not the same as 'throwing a game'. As Fergie pointed out in his team selection against Blackpool in the last match of last season. If you were a Bayern fan who was also keen to see their team win the Bundesliga, would you wish to risk injury to their key players if the club will still head the Group if they lose.

Bo's optimistic scenario that the Bayern match might decide first and second in the Group assumes, at the very minimum that City beat Naples at their home ground. Clearly a possibility but Naples have not lost at home in European competition since they qualified in 2008. And the goal they let in against Bayern was their first at home in Europe in 7 games. So chances are not that good and I suspect City will go looking for a draw. (Threw in a stat there to keep Smokie happy.)

I was going to also point out that Naples beat Inter Milan 3-0 in the league recently but I guess that doesnt mean much anymore?

Bo's optimistic scenario that the Bayern match might decide first and second in the Group assumes, at the very minimum that City beat Naples at their home ground. Clearly a possibility but Naples have not lost at home in European competition since they qualified in 2008. And the goal they let in against Bayern was their first at home in Europe in 7 games. So chances are not that good and I suspect City will go looking for a draw. (Threw in a stat there to keep Smokie happy.)

Part of the criteria for being a city fan is optimism, by the bucket load. Without it, I'd have been in a straight jacket years ago. They drive me <deleted> crazy.

but Naples have not lost at home in European competition since they qualified in 2008. And the goal they let in against Bayern was their first at home in Europe in 7 games. So chances are not that good and I suspect City will go looking for a draw. (Threw in a stat there to keep Smokie happy.)

I was going to also point out that Naples beat Inter Milan 3-0 in the league recently but I guess that doesnt mean much anymore?

Just to add. The first 2 seasons of Naples in Europe was in the Europa Cup. Not really the same as the Champions League.

They also lost to Parma last week or the week before.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-City-back-down-over-Carlos-Tevez-allegedly-refusing-to-play-article816816.html

Fun and games at City.Nobody is backing Mancini's version of events.

How can you be charged with refusing to warm up??

And then cleared of refusing to play! City really are making hard work of it aren't they.

How can you be charged with refusing to warm up??

And then cleared of refusing to play! City really are making hard work of it aren't they.

Tevez: What's the worst that can happen?

His lawyer: You'll be suspended for a month and never play for City again.

Tevez: What's the best that can happen?

His lawyer: You'll simply never play for them again.

Tevez: I admit it I'm guilty......when's the next flight to Buenos Aries?

How can you be charged with refusing to warm up??

And then cleared of refusing to play!

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

He wan't originally charged with refusing to warm up. It was dropped to this after hearing evidence from players and staff. You still have to act under instructions from the Manager, whether it be to warm up or go on and play.

What do you think we should have done? The same as United did when Scholes refused to play?

I must be thick eh?

I must be thick eh?

No not thick...those 32 Baht Leo's innit!

I must be thick eh?

No not thick...those 32 Baht Leo's innit!

And he's spent over 500 baht already

I must be thick eh?

No not thick...those 32 Baht Leo's innit!

And he's spent over 500 baht already

tomorrow Mr Bo ok...........then i will drink! celebrating and i might stretch to a few JD's

Congrats Mr Bo an easy win in the end! think i will stick to my coffee this evening

If Carlos said 'por que' (why) perhaps Mancini thought he was referring to the fact he was putting on weight, so the Italian flicked his quiff and threw a wobbly. "You will-a nevurr work-a for me again-a".

[spanish and Italian languages are not dissimilar and speakers of either supposedly can understand generally what the other is talking about. Guess these are not educated examples of their race though!]

If Carlos said 'por que' (why) perhaps Mancini thought he was referring to the fact he was putting on weight, so the Italian flicked his quiff and threw a wobbly. "You will-a nevurr work-a for me again-a".

[spanish and Italian languages are not dissimilar and speakers of either supposedly can understand generally what the other is talking about. Guess these are not educated examples of their race though!]

Do you really think we give a toss about the Tevez issue at the moment? Get a grip man. Ballotelli had to call out the fire brigade to put out the fire on his boots

Congrats Mr Bo an easy win in the end! think i will stick to my coffee this evening

Gracious in defeat MrRed :jap:

How can you be charged with refusing to warm up??

And then cleared of refusing to play! City really are making hard work of it aren't they.

I am not sure they are making hard work of it:

In any Human Resource/Employment Law issue it can be a mine field and you have to follow the guidelines if not the law, it is quite clear now when the dust has settled Mancini at the time was a little emotional and claimed in his hyper active state, remember his team are two-nil down that Tevez refused to play.

He didn't, he refused ( allegedly )to warm up, even this is a confused issue, all testimony point to him not refusing to play, which can only allow a much watered down charge of refusing to warm up.

I can't see Mancini winning this through the channels, so an off load cheaply or serious loss of face and I can't see that happening.

I can see a bargain out there, Tevez picking up further obscene wages and an other club picking up a problem, and further down the line, the break even figure of Problem/Payback will be decided.

Nice to see you around Mossy. Long time no see.

Nice to see you around Mossy. Long time no see.

yes, I thought I would check you out after today, enjoyed the match, been preoccupied with work and the great Game, Rugby World Cup of course, but again disapointment, but not a great game but highly tense all the same.