Koh Tao: Prosecutors unfazed by retraction of confession in British tourists' killing

[TTom911]

yeah, statements obviously start to change a bit once a plastic bag is removed from someones head for a few days and once a lawyer is even allowed to show up, giving a sense of hope that you might even have a chance to survive the next night... I guess that's what they mean with "we are not fazed, confessions are recounted frequently"...? or did I get that wrong...?

[hobz]

disgusting

Indeed!

[cookee68]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

I don't believe for one minute that the UK will fly all the way to Thailand, just to ask questions, or to look at stuff that they cant confirm them selfs to be true or not true, if they even end up in Thailand at all, We are a nation that need more proof than he said, she said, so just because the Thai police says this happened and that happened, we would expect to see a bit more than that, and as far as Thai laws go as to what it permits or does not permit, is BS, as there are lots of things Thai law does not permit, that Thai people do every day

[heyexile]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

There is only one law right now, Martial Law. The Law is whatever the generals say it is and they can overrule the judiciary anyway.

"....it remains unknown when the case will be complete and ready for filing" Pol Thawatchai.

So much for the perfect and complete case announced by Pol Comm General and PM.

[hobz]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

[jdinasia]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

I don't believe for one minute that the UK will fly all the way to Thailand, just to ask questions, or to look at stuff that they cant confirm them selfs to be true or not true, if they even end up in Thailand at all, We are a nation that need more proof than he said, she said, so just because the Thai police says this happened and that happened, we would expect to see a bit more than that, and as far as Thai laws go as to what it permits or does not permit, is BS, as there are lots of things Thai law does not permit, that Thai people do every day

I happily refer you to both international law as well as UK law.

[dieseldave1951]

witnesses what witnesses maung maung he gone and as far ase i have read he was the only one(apart from the FAILED attempt to by the taxi driver

[jdinasia]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

I hate to break this to you, but conspiracy theories on social media are not evidence.

[Tokay]

For 2 days in a row there have been stories of Burmese murdering people. There will probably be a lot more before the trial. They are setting the stage with this, showing how bad the Burmese are, to gain pubic support and turn them against Burmese, creating doubt of their innocence.

[Oziex1]

We all know this case and we know Thailand what did you expect them to say.

[Johnsen]

JDINASIA what's really going on here. It would appear that you do have some connection with the military having lunch with colonels etc, half your luck. I thought the army and the police didn't get along. Are you trying to keep this whole thing rolling along so the police will be made to fall on their own swords. Just seems a bit strange that a military man would have so much support for the police.

I'm not having a go at you you are most certainly entitled to your opinion its just that your stance is very very strong for the police. Is the army setting the police on koh to a up for a massive fall. Out with the old in with the new maybe. I hope you would agree the islands need cleaning up, is this the first step. Let's face it if the boys r being framed and the retired general has the police convicted and islanders sent to jail he would be an absolute hero to the world. Why is the case not filed yet. Do they need more witnesses to lie so they can really do a clean up. Something is just not right about the whole scenario down there. Why do you have so much support for the police as a military man. Just curious that's all.

[hobz]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

I hate to break this to you, but conspiracy theories on social media are not evidence.

Please elaborate,, I was under the assumption that photographs and statements from witnesses are evidence,, ofcourse, a conspiracy theory is only a conspiracy theory.. but evidence is still evidence, even if it's used in a conspiracy theory ..

*edit* You mentioned social media.. Am I getting it right that if the conspiracy theory is in a book it's evidence? But if it's on social media it is not? What if it's from a book that was scanned and posted on facebook?

Edited October 23, 2014 by hobz

[jdinasia]

I am not a military man... (and the story is not about me)

[CBR650]

That anyone here would believe and trust the Thai police is really amazing.

One can only presume that they are trolling, and not actually so dumb.

Edited October 23, 2014 by CBR650

[hobz]

I am not a military man... (and the story is not about me)

You're just a troll, a good one at that

[VINCENT2012]

have been focusing on evidence and witnesses

on evidences perhaps but witnesses................???? theres is no witnesses !!!

Edited October 23, 2014 by metisdead
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[CBR650]

To put everyones mind at ease it would be nice if they would do the testing of the 2 Burmese with the British police present and compare then to the original print out of the samples that were sent to Singapore. Or allow the Brits to take their own samples.

They would be offering that opportunity on a plate, so to speak, if the two Burmese' DNA genuinely matched that found inside and on Hannah.

What is there for them to hide by only allowing 'observation' and no one but the RTP allowed to test and give the results of the DNA.

[hobz]

have been focusing on evidence and witnesses

on evidences perhaps but witnesses................???? theres is no witnesses !!!

There's witnesses of the coverup ...

* Taxi driver claimed he got beaten by cops for not giving false testimony ..

* Sean McAnna claimed mafia figures (photographed inside the sealed off crime scene) wanted to make him a scapegoat

[hobz]

To put everyones mind at ease it would be nice if they would do the testing of the 2 Burmese with the British police present and compare then to the original print out of the samples that were sent to Singapore. Or allow the Brits to take their own samples.

They would be offering that opportunity on a plate, so to speak, if the two Burmese' DNA genuinely matched that found inside and on Hannah.

What is there for them to hide by only allowing 'observation' and no one but the RTP allowed to test and give the results of the DNA.

It's against Thai law to allow foreign police work on a Thai case ..

[jdinasia]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

I hate to break this to you, but conspiracy theories on social media are not evidence.

Please elaborate,, I was under the assumption that photographs and statements from witnesses are evidence,, ofcourse, a conspiracy theory is only a conspiracy theory.. but evidence is still evidence, even if it's used in a conspiracy theory ..

*edit* You mentioned social media.. Am I getting it right that if the conspiracy theory is in a book it's evidence? But if it's on social media it is not? What if it's from a book that was scanned and posted on facebook?

So, if for example, I said you did it.. Posted a photo of you online.. It is now evidence of your guilt?

Even if, as is the case in several photos on Facebook, it's clearly photoshpped?

if I claim everyone knows you did it, does that make it true?

What if I get a few people to agree with me?

No.

Evidence is evidence. FB is not evidence.

[Gweiloman]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

No no no no Hobz. You got it all wrong. Wrong, I say.

The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats (sorry) killers is overwhelming. Are you forgetting :

- the undisputed DNA match of the killers with the semen recovered from the victim's orifices?

- the numerous witnesses who placed the killers at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder?

- the confessions they freely gave out, which they have only retracted recently as all these pesky human rights activists and lawyers have given them false hope that they will avoid being hanged?

- the video evidence showing the suspects running away from the time scene?

- the discovery of David's phone next to the suspects residence?

- all the other facts that you and others have no access to and have no business knowing

Conspiracy? Cover up? No way. No way, I say

- disbelievers' suspect was beyond any shadow of doubt, in Bangkok attending classes / exams at the time of the murder.

- the girl friend's FB comment that he was mia? Rumours, fake, made up by CSI LA

- the cousin's claim she was with him when her FB page indicated she was in Pattaya? another rumour, fake, her FB was hacked by CSI LA

- altercation at the AC Bar? Rumour, fake - where is the video evidence?

- police statement that a suspect had fled to Bkk? Mistake in translation. Police meant to say no suspect had fled to Bkk

- village headman, brother, son etc as suspects? Mistake in translation. Police meant the headman's workers

Gotta stop now. My head hurts.

[minikev]

The only reason this farce has continued without anyone in the current administration questioning it is because it goes way higher than a mob family.

The only question is why northernjohn, the bastion of pro-coup semantics and his fellow posters JTJ and jdinasia are against a new set of eyes looking into this mess. Surely we all after the truth, aren't we?

I just see them as peacocks showing their feathers. They hope that the b2 will swing so they can say they knew they were guilty. This will give them some weird ego trip. They are not really interested whether they actually committed the crime or not.They are Just proving themselves as clever farangs that know the system better than us daft farangs that have only been here xx years. I wouldn't mind betting they can't string a Thai sentence together or even pronounce their wife's name correctly.

I really hope the bobby's are allowed to take a proper look.

[hobz]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

I hate to break this to you, but conspiracy theories on social media are not evidence.

Please elaborate,, I was under the assumption that photographs and statements from witnesses are evidence,, ofcourse, a conspiracy theory is only a conspiracy theory.. but evidence is still evidence, even if it's used in a conspiracy theory ..

*edit* You mentioned social media.. Am I getting it right that if the conspiracy theory is in a book it's evidence? But if it's on social media it is not? What if it's from a book that was scanned and posted on facebook?

So, if for example, I said you did it.. Posted a photo of you online.. It is now evidence of your guilt?

Even if, as is the case in several photos on Facebook, it's clearly photoshpped?

if I claim everyone knows you did it, does that make it true?

What if I get a few people to agree with me?

No.

Evidence is evidence. FB is not evidence.

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. <-- From wikipedia ..

So,, yes, you claiming that I am guilty supports the assertion that I am guilty .. However, IT IS VERY WEAK if it's only you claiming that,, and you have no other supporting evidence... Now,, let's say 1000 people all have similar claims against me .. It may still not be enough to convict me in a courtroom.. But it's still evidence!

Different courts have different laws regarding what can be entered into a court room.. Like "he said that she said" can usually be dismissed,, depending on other factors as well..

Now let's go back to what we have..

We have a photograph of the 2 suspects along with a third suspect on a motorbike. We have statements from the police saying that one of the victims had dyed his hair blonde. None of the scapegoats on the motorbike had blonde hair.. This is just a few hours before the crime..

That's just one piece of the evidence that you think is irrelevant simply because it was posted on facebook...

[X pat]

Like I sead before,this will be no more then a kangaroo court, and it the Thai's don't know what that is I suggest they look it up on Wikipedia.

[jdinasia]

3rd guy on the bike had blond hair (Err.. What passes for blond when bleach is used by an amateur.)

And you are using a generic definition from Wikipedia?

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/E/Evidence.aspx

Edited October 23, 2014 by jdinasia

[Gweiloman]

The only reason this farce has continued without anyone in the current administration questioning it is because it goes way higher than a mob family.

The only question is why northernjohn, the bastion of pro-coup semantics and his fellow posters JTJ and jdinasia are against a new set of eyes looking into this mess. Surely we all after the truth, aren't we?

I just see them as peacocks showing their feathers. They hope that the b2 will swing so they can say they knew they were guilty. This will give them some weird ego trip. They are not really interested whether they actually committed the crime or not.They are Just proving themselves as clever farangs that know the system better than us daft farangs that have only been here xx years. I wouldn't mind betting they can't string a Thai sentence together or even pronounce their wife's name correctly.

I really hope the bobby's are allowed to take a proper look.

That's a bit harsh.

The named posters are obviously posters of intellect (as can be evidenced by their postings) and principles and strong will (as can be evidenced by their stance even in the face of overwhelming claims to the opposite).

There is probably something else going down that is being very carefully kept out of the press, maybe some sort of a broadside attack which few can see coming. Lots of red herring are being waved about, fog and mirrors and smokescreen all over the place.

At the end of the day, all I hope for is that the real culprits are brought to trial and punished in accordance with the gravity of their crimes.

[minikev]

Yes, their DNA was already matched and confirmed to have been the same as the semen from the crime scene. So they are not being asked for DNA samples again by authorities but of course their lawyers are welcome to get new samples.

Yes, their DNA was already matched and confirmed to have been the same as the semen from the crime scene

I must have missed this very important point. I've only ever read that the BIB said they have a DNA match, not that it matches the semen from the crime scene (shouldn't it be the semen "recovered" from the victim's orifice?)

Could you kindly post a link to this, JTJ? I tried searching but in vain......

There will be no reply by jtj to this post

[hobz]

Yes but the time stamped video says the 15th and its at his apartment. The lawyer says he was in class 13th-15th and attended exams and has paperwork to prove it. Where's this paperwork. Where is a link to him being cleared by police. Cleared by his lawyer holding up a photo shopped photo is not the same as being cleared by the police. Links please to where police have cleared him by his alibi. A lawyer clearing you is not the same as the police clearing you.

Do you even hear yourself? You are suggesting all of this information including his test be released to the public?

If you want to find something in the news then go right ahead but it is common knowledge the police clearly stated he was not on the island and clearly stated they pursued him because somebody said he left the island early the next day. The followed up on the lead, just like they did with the farang friend with the cut. The followed up on many leads until they got the guys whose DNA matched --- but you don't believe this and therefore will not believe any evidence but are very happy to make up theories you believe in based on you not knowing things you have no business knowing.

Wow, The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats is overwhelming ... It's too long to even list... Do some more research and you will see

No no no no Hobz. You got it all wrong. Wrong, I say.

The list of evidence supporting that the current suspects are scapegoats (sorry) killers is overwhelming. Are you forgetting :

- the undisputed DNA match of the killers with the semen recovered from the victim's orifices?

- the numerous witnesses who placed the killers at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder?

- the confessions they freely gave out, which they have only retracted recently as all these pesky human rights activists and lawyers have given them false hope that they will avoid being hanged?

- the video evidence showing the suspects running away from the time scene?

- the discovery of David's phone next to the suspects residence?

- all the other facts that you and others have no access to and have no business knowing

Conspiracy? Cover up? No way. No way, I say

- disbelievers' suspect was beyond any shadow of doubt, in Bangkok attending classes / exams at the time of the murder.

- the girl friend's FB comment that he was mia? Rumours, fake, made up by CSI LA

- the cousin's claim she was with him when her FB page indicated she was in Pattaya? another rumour, fake, her FB was hacked by CSI LA

- altercation at the AC Bar? Rumour, fake - where is the video evidence?

- police statement that a suspect had fled to Bkk? Mistake in translation. Police meant to say no suspect had fled to Bkk

- village headman, brother, son etc as suspects? Mistake in translation. Police meant the headman's workers

Gotta stop now. My head hurts.

My head hurts too

- the undisputed DNA match of the killers with the semen recovered from the victim's orifices? <-- Why did the DNA not match the first time the scapegoats got tested?

- the numerous witnesses who placed the killers at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder? <-- There numerous witnesses saying police were trying to bribe / assaulting people in a search of false testimony .. (read the news about the taxi driver that first was bribed and then assaulted by cops for refusing to say what they wanted him to say)

- the confessions they freely gave out, which they have only retracted recently as all these pesky human rights activists and lawyers have given them false hope that they will avoid being hanged? <-- They were taken to a "safe-house" where they signed confessions without lawyers present.. It's Thai Law that suspects in a crime that can lead to death penalty MUST HAVE lawyers present during interrigations etc.. it's not optional .. Police claimed they didnt want lawyers,,. The translator that explained what they were signing didnt even speak their language...

- the video evidence showing the suspects running away from the time scene? <-- I have never heard of this evidence,, i must have missed it completely,, please link so i can have a look?

- the discovery of David's phone next to the suspects residence? <-- Could easily have been planted there by police. Why the hell would the suspect keep the phone near his residence?

- all the other facts that you and others have no access to and have no business knowing <- dito

- disbelievers' suspect was beyond any shadow of doubt, in Bangkok attending classes / exams at the time of the murder. <-- Actually he claimed he was skipping school the days after the murders because he was so upset about the murders... He was so upset that he went out of his way to get CCTV footage as proof.. Yet he did not provide a DNA sample .. IF he was so upset that he skipped school and provided CCTV footage, why not just give a DNA sample?

- the girl friend's FB comment that he was mia? Rumours, fake, made up by CSI LA <-- How can it be both rumours and fake? It's real and it's not made up..

- the cousin's claim she was with him when her FB page indicated she was in Pattaya? another rumour, fake, her FB was hacked by CSI LA <-- Wow you believe CSI LA is trying to frame someone?

- altercation at the AC Bar? Rumour, fake - where is the video evidence? <-- I agree with you here... I think this is total hearsay / bullshit ... But it is strange that none of the Bars near the beach provided CCTV footage.. They should have cameras pointing towards the beach usually.. The killers should be there .. be it the burmese or not..The family that owns these establishments seem to have denied access to all the CCTV ..

- police statement that a suspect had fled to Bkk? Mistake in translation. Police meant to say no suspect had fled to Bkk <-- And you accuse us of wild theories,, but you know what police meant to say? LOL

- village headman, brother, son etc as suspects? Mistake in translation. Police meant the headman's workers <-- And you accuse us of wild theories,, but you know what police meant to say? LOL

[changsinghleo]

This forum following sure can take up a lot of one's time. I'm still watching for further news on a couple seemingly

forgotten cases. the one of a Chinese tourist being beaten by couple guys who showed up on motorcycle with clubs of some

sort and the Russian girl raped after accepting motorcycle lift. Both were somewhat near Phuket. Anyone know what I've not heard? Also, seems to be no further mention about the parents of the Brit son also killed in Koa Tao last year who wanted

further investigation. They claimed to be suspicious of the findings and lack of answers. Anything further on that?

[heyexile]

Don`t fall into their trap. The shills purpose is to derail the thread and DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THE DAMNING OP

Thawatchai "......it remains unknown when the case will be complete and ready for filing."

It seems further "probes" are needed. See the OP please, not the shills.

For track record of Thai judiciary/police in tourist murder cases, see article published 21st Oct

"Not saving Thailand`s Face: the backlash of police corruption in tourist murders."

http://asiancorrespondent.com/127509