Nato reports rise in Russia military flights over Europe

[webfact]

Nato reports rise in Russia military flights over Europe

(BBC) Nato has reported an "unusual" increase in Russian military aircraft conducting manoeuvres over European airspace over the last two days.

A Nato statement said four groups of aircraft, including Tu-95 Bear bombers and MiG-31 fighters, were tracked over seas and the Atlantic Ocean.

Fighter aircraft from Norway, Britain, Portugal, Germany and Turkey were scrambled in response.

Tensions between Russia and Nato states have soared over the Ukraine crisis.

The US and EU imposed sanctions on Russia after its annexation of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula earlier this year.

Ties have been further strained as the West has accused Russia of supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine - a charge Russia has denied.

The Nato statement on Wednesday made no mention of Ukraine.

It said that the "sizeable" Russian flights were unusual for their scale, although no incidents had been reported.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29825890


-- BBC 2014-10-30

[rickirs]

Pure Cold War theatrics by Russian - intimidation and arrogance. No doubt Russia has sufficient number of spy satellites that can accomplish any military purpose for intelligence gathering as well as humanit resources. But you can't see satellites.

Perhaps the EU and NATO should raise the ante by denying Russian destination commercial overflights. That would leave Russia having to fly south over Syria, Iran, and China airspace or over the north pole icecap. And somehow I don't think China or Iran would be too thrilled about that.

[Publicus]

Putin is showing Europe what he would do if he could manage it, which is to assert a controlling leverage over Europe while his partner CCP Boyz in Beijing accomplish the same over Japan, Taiwan, Asean. Putin and the CCP Boyz are as serious as cancer about this.

Putin knows he'd be junior partner to the CCP Boyz under such an arrangement, to include the Brics countries, but not for long because control over Europe is a much bigger prize than Beijing's control over East Asia and even on through SE Asia.

Talk of a multipolar world is exactly talk because a multipolar world does not exist nor will it exist. A multipolar world will not take shape because Putin is forcing the creation of a bipolar world of the CCP Boyz and Putin against Europe, Japan and the United States, with Beijing and Moscow controlling the Brics and their couple of dozen minions.

Governments and elites throughout the world know this is occurring and that the world is only going to get more dangerous. Australia for example has made clear it stands as a part of the West.

Washington and Europe have confronted Putin about Ukraine which itself is small potatoes in the scheme, while Washington and Japan prepare to confront the Boyz in Beijing over disputed islands between China and Japan and in the South China Sea.

Washington and Japan this month agreed on the basics of a new joint strategic plan to retake unpopulated islands occupied by Chinese armed forces land, sea, air, so events are moving in one direction only as Washington and Tokyo prepare for what they consider to be the inevitable. It's not the first time dictators have catastrophically misjudged democratic nations and their peoples.

[konying]

Putin is showing Europe what he would do if he could manage it, which is to assert a controlling leverage over Europe while his partner CCP Boyz in Beijing accomplish the same over Japan, Taiwan, Asean. Putin and the CCP Boyz are as serious as cancer about this.

Putin knows he'd be junior partner to the CCP Boyz under such an arrangement, to include the Brics countries, but not for long because control over Europe is a much bigger prize than Beijing's control over East Asia and even on through SE Asia.

Talk of a multipolar world is exactly talk because a multipolar world does not exist nor will it exist. A multipolar world will not take shape because Putin is forcing the creation of a bipolar world of the CCP Boyz and Putin against Europe, Japan and the United States, with Beijing and Moscow controlling the Brics and their couple of dozen minions.

Governments and elites throughout the world know this is occurring and that the world is only going to get more dangerous. Australia for example has made clear it stands as a part of the West.

Washington and Europe have confronted Putin about Ukraine which itself is small potatoes in the scheme, while Washington and Japan prepare to confront the Boyz in Beijing over disputed islands between China and Japan and in the South China Sea.

Washington and Japan this month agreed on the basics of a new joint strategic plan to retake unpopulated islands occupied by Chinese armed forces land, sea, air, so events are moving in one direction only as Washington and Tokyo prepare for what they consider to be the inevitable. It's not the first time dictators have catastrophically misjudged democratic nations and their peoples.

As always utter nonsense.

Funny how US controlled NATO has released the statement and not the countries which airspace were supposedly violated.

U.S. already received a nice slap across the face when preliminary reports were released by Dutch and Germans about the MH flight, but as usual instead of an apology , let's make up more nonsense to create further problems.

I wonder who is trying so hard to create a war or serious conflict .

[Thongkorn]

Putin is showing Europe what he would do if he could manage it, which is to assert a controlling leverage over Europe while his partner CCP Boyz in Beijing accomplish the same over Japan, Taiwan, Asean. Putin and the CCP Boyz are as serious as cancer about this.

Putin knows he'd be junior partner to the CCP Boyz under such an arrangement, to include the Brics countries, but not for long because control over Europe is a much bigger prize than Beijing's control over East Asia and even on through SE Asia.

Talk of a multipolar world is exactly talk because a multipolar world does not exist nor will it exist. A multipolar world will not take shape because Putin is forcing the creation of a bipolar world of the CCP Boyz and Putin against Europe, Japan and the United States, with Beijing and Moscow controlling the Brics and their couple of dozen minions.

Governments and elites throughout the world know this is occurring and that the world is only going to get more dangerous. Australia for example has made clear it stands as a part of the West.

Washington and Europe have confronted Putin about Ukraine which itself is small potatoes in the scheme, while Washington and Japan prepare to confront the Boyz in Beijing over disputed islands between China and Japan and in the South China Sea.

Washington and Japan this month agreed on the basics of a new joint strategic plan to retake unpopulated islands occupied by Chinese armed forces land, sea, air, so events are moving in one direction only as Washington and Tokyo prepare for what they consider to be the inevitable. It's not the first time dictators have catastrophically misjudged democratic nations and their peoples.

As always utter nonsense.

Funny how US controlled NATO has released the statement and not the countries which airspace were supposedly violated.

U.S. already received a nice slap across the face when preliminary reports were released by Dutch and Germans about the MH flight, but as usual instead of an apology , let's make up more nonsense to create further problems.

I wonder who is trying so hard to create a war or serious conflict .

The Us is in control of Nato, because Europe is there first line of defense.

[japsportscarmad]

Indeed but less so as we won't up,outer budgets enough :-)

[japsportscarmad]

We keep poking Putin with a big stick but a soft squidgy one. Poke the bear watch It growl.

America would not be horrified if they lost a europe but saved them from a nuclear winter. In fact Americans seem to think of England as cocky cockneys, plods been hive with pointy hats on, old buildings, chimney sweeps and jolly fat women selling fruit from baskets like some 1940 s remake film.

America spreading itsvworldvand messagevaboutbdemocracy and freedom unless youtnoutnofbfavournwhere you'll be squashed.

[Publicus]

We keep poking Putin with a big stick but a soft squidgy one. Poke the bear watch It growl.

America would not be horrified if they lost a europe but saved them from a nuclear winter. In fact Americans seem to think of England as cocky cockneys, plods been hive with pointy hats on, old buildings, chimney sweeps and jolly fat women selling fruit from baskets like some 1940 s remake film.

America spreading itsvworldvand messagevaboutbdemocracy and freedom unless youtnoutnofbfavournwhere you'll be squashed.

The bear is a wildcat of a pussy that's going to have to be put down. When the bear shits in your living room instead of in the woods it has to be put to the dirt nap. The current question is whether Putin will be removed because of oil or because of the rubble that used to be the ruble, or both and then some.

The post presents a high cholesterol pastry of cultural cliches and tripe about the United States coming from the people who carry week old fruit baskets and tip their tin foil hats.

The world is a dangerous place that regularly needs to be settled down and this is another example and instance of it. Russia took the world to the brink before in 1962 then blinked.

[lovetotravel]

Putin is showing Europe what he would do if he could manage it, which is to assert a controlling leverage over Europe while his partner CCP Boyz in Beijing accomplish the same over Japan, Taiwan, Asean. Putin and the CCP Boyz are as serious as cancer about this.

Putin knows he'd be junior partner to the CCP Boyz under such an arrangement, to include the Brics countries, but not for long because control over Europe is a much bigger prize than Beijing's control over East Asia and even on through SE Asia.

Talk of a multipolar world is exactly talk because a multipolar world does not exist nor will it exist. A multipolar world will not take shape because Putin is forcing the creation of a bipolar world of the CCP Boyz and Putin against Europe, Japan and the United States, with Beijing and Moscow controlling the Brics and their couple of dozen minions.

Governments and elites throughout the world know this is occurring and that the world is only going to get more dangerous. Australia for example has made clear it stands as a part of the West.

Washington and Europe have confronted Putin about Ukraine which itself is small potatoes in the scheme, while Washington and Japan prepare to confront the Boyz in Beijing over disputed islands between China and Japan and in the South China Sea.

Washington and Japan this month agreed on the basics of a new joint strategic plan to retake unpopulated islands occupied by Chinese armed forces land, sea, air, so events are moving in one direction only as Washington and Tokyo prepare for what they consider to be the inevitable. It's not the first time dictators have catastrophically misjudged democratic nations and their peoples.

As always utter nonsense.

Funny how US controlled NATO has released the statement and not the countries which airspace were supposedly violated.

U.S. already received a nice slap across the face when preliminary reports were released by Dutch and Germans about the MH flight, but as usual instead of an apology , let's make up more nonsense to create further problems.

I wonder who is trying so hard to create a war or serious conflict .

Seems Sweden has made a statement:

http://www.thelocal.se/20140919/russian-flights-condemned-by-social-democrats

And Finland:

http://yle.fi/uutiset/finland_flies_alongside_nato_missions_to_intercept_russian_jets/7574889

Norway's made a comment, and scrambled their planes:

http://norwaytoday.info/home_view.php?id=13747

And Portugal doesn't seem too happy:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/31/uk-nato-portugal-russia-idUKKBN0IK1TD20141031

Though the comment came from NATO, seems many countries in Europe are not happy with these incursions. And for good reason.

[Mosha]

RAF have scrambled 2x in a week.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/raf-typhoon-jets-intercept-russian-bombers/ar-BBcmmkB

[rhythmworx]

Why don't you just post the full story?

Your getting worse than yahoo news.

Just post the story, copying and pasting a few more lines isn't too hard is it?

[Scott]

You cannot post the entire story. It violates Fair Use Policy. You can post a headline and the first 3 sentences and a link to the story.

[neverdie]

Why don't you just post the full story?

Your getting worse than yahoo news.

Just post the story, copying and pasting a few more lines isn't too hard is it?

Do you need help with clicking on the link?

You could of clicked on about 150 links for the same effort it took to make the post above.

[neverdie]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

[h90]

Pure Cold War theatrics by Russian - intimidation and arrogance. No doubt Russia has sufficient number of spy satellites that can accomplish any military purpose for intelligence gathering as well as humanit resources. But you can't see satellites.

Perhaps the EU and NATO should raise the ante by denying Russian destination commercial overflights. That would leave Russia having to fly south over Syria, Iran, and China airspace or over the north pole icecap. And somehow I don't think China or Iran would be too thrilled about that.

Note that all these flights were in international airsspace, didn't went over any countries airspace. The news suggest somehow that Russia did, but they didn't.

It is nothing different than US maneuvers in the asian seas, or recently in the black sea.

It only get so big news because the Tu-95 is an extremely dangerous airplane.

[neverdie]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

Maybe he's sending a special message with this vintage equipment.

Those Russian Pilots are brave men, some of their gear....55555

I love the old stuff, but I'm not sure I want to take it out to battle.....imagine entering a Ford model T in a current Formula 1 race.....lol.

It would be a tough ole bird but I can image some of the old electronics and hydrolics would be a ticking time bomb, no doubt their service routine would be top notch, not.

Bit like the some of the older Russian subs......scarey !

[h90]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

yes but have a look what weapons it can carry.

Raduga Ch-22/26: designed to sink an aircraft carrier or the nuclear option, the carrier + ships around.

AS-16: nuclear warhead, Mach 5 speed

AS-15: nuclear warhead, can fly 3000 km

CH-101: stealth, can fly 5000-6000 km

it is not the TU95, it is what can be loaded on it.

And they also have the TU-160 which they don't show....

[neverdie]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

yes but have a look what weapons it can carry.

Raduga Ch-22/26: designed to sink an aircraft carrier or the nuclear option, the carrier + ships around.

AS-16: nuclear warhead, Mach 5 speed

AS-15: nuclear warhead, can fly 3000 km

CH-101: stealth, can fly 5000-6000 km

it is not the TU95, it is what can be loaded on it.

And they also have the TU-160 which they don't show....

Yes, I said she'd be a tough ole bus, but it's seriously old.

I'd imagine some of its payload would probably be well past it's used by date too.

Thanks for the info.

[h90]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

yes but have a look what weapons it can carry.

Raduga Ch-22/26: designed to sink an aircraft carrier or the nuclear option, the carrier + ships around.

AS-16: nuclear warhead, Mach 5 speed

AS-15: nuclear warhead, can fly 3000 km

CH-101: stealth, can fly 5000-6000 km

it is not the TU95, it is what can be loaded on it.

And they also have the TU-160 which they don't show....

Yes, I said she'd be a tough ole bus, but it's seriously old.

I'd imagine some of its payload would probably be well past it's used by date too.

Thanks for the info.

I read, but I am no airplane specialist, that the TU-95 was several times updated in its electronic and the way it release the payload. What I understood, is that some of the rockets are in a kind of "revolver" which is very modern and allows to fire it all in a very short time. So they can send out their load before someone can do anything. It is vintage, but it still can sink the most modern aircraft carrier + his support, or erase London from the map.

I think that is what Putin want to show: "don't mess with me". And they have the TU-160 which they don't show for any reason. I think it can do the same as the TU-95 at mach 2.

[Publicus]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

yes but have a look what weapons it can carry.

Raduga Ch-22/26: designed to sink an aircraft carrier or the nuclear option, the carrier + ships around.

AS-16: nuclear warhead, Mach 5 speed

AS-15: nuclear warhead, can fly 3000 km

CH-101: stealth, can fly 5000-6000 km

it is not the TU95, it is what can be loaded on it.

And they also have the TU-160 which they don't show....

Yes, I said she'd be a tough ole bus, but it's seriously old.

I'd imagine some of its payload would probably be well past it's used by date too.

Thanks for the info.

I read, but I am no airplane specialist, that the TU-95 was several times updated in its electronic and the way it release the payload. What I understood, is that some of the rockets are in a kind of "revolver" which is very modern and allows to fire it all in a very short time. So they can send out their load before someone can do anything. It is vintage, but it still can sink the most modern aircraft carrier + his support, or erase London from the map.

I think that is what Putin want to show: "don't mess with me". And they have the TU-160 which they don't show for any reason. I think it can do the same as the TU-95 at mach 2.

Every air asset you specify is not only visible to Nato radar, they look like a cluster of dinosaurs flying south for the winter while looking below for innocent dolphins to feed on.

They are not stealth aircraft so they and their mission, whatever their mission may be, are obvious and apparent from the get go.

Terrestrial and space radars and tracking systems of Nato and radars in non-Nato countries instantly identified the Russian air assets from their base in Russia to the point Nato or non-Natio aircraft were scrambled to intercept them and once the Russians turned back to return to their point of origin besides.

Game over from the moment the Russian aircraft on the runway fired their engines to become airborne. Had it been the real thing they never would have made it to cruising altitude. Not a one of 'em.

[Thongkorn]

The British type 45 Destroyer uses this technology, It can track hundreds of targets simultaneously. and engage them, also its listening devices can identify Ships thousand of miles away. If a type 45 destroyer was docked in Liverpool on the west coast of England, it could hear ships leaving New York harbor. and stealth planes can be tracked. by satellite.

[Publicus]

The British type 45 Destroyer uses this technology, It can track hundreds of targets simultaneously. and engage them, also its listening devices can identify Ships thousand of miles away. If a type 45 destroyer was docked in Liverpool on the west coast of England, it could hear ships leaving New York harbor. and stealth planes can be tracked. by satellite.

Indeed, the world knows the Brits are no strangers to technology and the 45 Destroyer is top of the line as is the U.S. Navy's new DDG-1000 Zumwalt stealth destroyer which at 610 feet is the longest destroyer on the high seas. It has laser guns, fires missiles at 7.5 times the speed of sound and makes fuel from seawater.

SHOW CAPTION

U.S. Navy's new stealth destroyer

The US and the UK are the only military forces capable of tracking stealth aircraft, which as you note is done from intelligence satellites in low earth orbit. The Russians haven't found a way and the CCP Boyz in Beijing remain far from it.

Russia's latest nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine program is on hold while engineers pour over the drawing boards trying to figure out how to make it go right. This is complex and complicated stuff but the Russian submarine program has never produced safe subs.

Actually Russia is considered pretty strong in its air power. Its air strength is due primarily to its missiles both offensive and defensive. Missiles have always been a Russian strength. Its old bomber force wouldn't make it out of Russian air space which is a fact well known to Putin.

Edited by Publicus for spacing.

Edited November 2, 2014 by Publicus

[Bwanatickey]

The biggest threat to the whole world is the same old U.S.A Cold War mentality. Lies and more damned lies.

[japsportscarmad]

I thought most of the stealth Jets could be tracked by their heat source from the jet. It seems hard to believe the Russians don't have at least some way of tracking them.

[neverdie]

Tu95, old bus with contra rotating props.....won't be sneaking around with that baby, she'd wake the dead from WWII. 5555

Those things would almost be 3/4 of a century old.....holy crap !

yes but have a look what weapons it can carry.

Raduga Ch-22/26: designed to sink an aircraft carrier or the nuclear option, the carrier + ships around.

AS-16: nuclear warhead, Mach 5 speed

AS-15: nuclear warhead, can fly 3000 km

CH-101: stealth, can fly 5000-6000 km

it is not the TU95, it is what can be loaded on it.

And they also have the TU-160 which they don't show....

Yes, I said she'd be a tough ole bus, but it's seriously old.

I'd imagine some of its payload would probably be well past it's used by date too.

Thanks for the info.

I read, but I am no airplane specialist, that the TU-95 was several times updated in its electronic and the way it release the payload. What I understood, is that some of the rockets are in a kind of "revolver" which is very modern and allows to fire it all in a very short time. So they can send out their load before someone can do anything. It is vintage, but it still can sink the most modern aircraft carrier + his support, or erase London from the map.

I think that is what Putin want to show: "don't mess with me". And they have the TU-160 which they don't show for any reason. I think it can do the same as the TU-95 at mach 2.

I'm no expert. Thanks for ur post.

As for the TU-160 T Mach 2.....I say NO WAY.

However, I am happy to be proved wrong but I don't think anything can carry that sort of payload at that sort of speed.

Anyway, fascinating pics & info everyone.

[Publicus]

The biggest threat to the whole world is the same old U.S.A Cold War mentality. Lies and more damned lies.

Schools in the U.S. taught a long time ago that George Washington never told a lie, that he as a boy forthrightly admitted to having chopped down the cherry tree. That's no lie and it's also no lie that that stuff hasn't been taught for a very long time now.

Then again, if the Tsar only knew and Lenin taught that the end justifies the means, which brings us back to the post you wrote....

[Publicus]

I thought most of the stealth Jets could be tracked by their heat source from the jet. It seems hard to believe the Russians don't have at least some way of tracking them.

Yes and no which is an important point to make. Russian long wave air identification systems can somewhat detect the U.S. B2 bomber, the F-22 and the F-35 fighter aircraft respectively. So the answer is sort of yes, but maybe, or sometimes, but only if...to include not very well at all.

Long wave air defense systems however have poor fire control radar which actually paints the target and guides the missile. Which means the Russians can have a respectably general idea of where a U.S. stealth aircraft is, but targeting it to try to bring it down gets problematical.

Then there's stealth itself, which never offered a 100% sure fire guarantee of absolute stealth. Stealth technology offers (significantly) increased survivability by reducing the radar signature of the aircraft to that of a bird and by cloaking the aircraft so that it is essentially unfindable at a distance and stays that way until it's on top of you.

The Russians haven't solved these problems yet. Additionally, the B2 and the F-22 and F-35 have new capabilities that challenge the Russians and anyone else further. The B2 can for instance find a corridor between gaps in the radar right on in to its target.

The F-22 and the F-35 have the newest counter-measures that can jam surface to air missiles and jam any radar from any source. Each jet can emit a huge EMP to disable targeted electronics.

Each craft have very long range systems of defensive and offensive radar that can detect enemy radar long before they can be spotted on the radar as a bird, neutralize (jam) the radar, take it out with long range missiles.

Russia has the best anti-access, area denial (A2/AD) defensive systems outside of the United States but the U.S. new Air-Sea Battle Doctrine designed to penetrate the Russian systems sends in missiles traveling at 7.5 times the speed of sound which outstrips the capabilities of the Russian systems. Same for China which is building its own A2/AD systems but hasn't stolen enough technology yet from the U.S. to complete them.

Russia says it will have its first stealth fighter aircraft, the Sukhoi PAC FA ready for 2015 but skepticism remains as stealth craft are super expensive at $2.3 billion for one B2 bomber.

Edited November 2, 2014 by Publicus

[japsportscarmad]

That's very interesting and informative post, indeed the guys that design all this are sooo clever.

Edited November 2, 2014 by japsportscarmad

[MJP]

I think it's time for Russian and European taxpayers to band together and say enough is enough.

[japsportscarmad]

I think it's time for Russian and European taxpayers to band together and say enough is enough.

Agreed we could do a lot of good with the money saved.