Police coy over new probe into Koh Tao murders

[smotherb]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

Thanks Commerce, you may be correct--I responded similarly before I read your post. However, would DNA necessarily be present if the perpetrator did not ejaculate--certainly, one of our illustrious TV-forensic colleagues must know.

[MediaWatcher]

What Thailand desperately needs is an equivalent to the "French revolution"... complete with the guillotine, as there isn't enough room in the jails.

[kkup]

I hope the British police report makes Chief Wiggums face go red live on tv.

[smotherb]

The village headman should keep his mouth shut and stop calling press conferences for his sons justice. He should be calling for open justice to the two murders that occured on his island and on his watch. Shows him in his true light.

Oh please, if he believes his son is innocent and the media continues to cry his guilt, wouldn't a father do anything in his power to disprove their allegations and any desire for justice for the victims be secondary?

[reggaebkk]

I don't understand what the fuss is about.

These things always happened in Thailand, there have always been unsolved murders of Thais and Foreigners all over.

Some Farangs friends of mine on a motorbike have been deliberately hit by a pickup a few years back on Samui and nobody, thai police included, cared to investigate.

Farangs are just an income statistics and nobody really wants to know what happened to these murdered walking wallets (aren't we all?).

The bothering thing for Thailand is absolutely not the victims, their family nor the application and justice of the legal system.

The only problem is the tourism money lost by the PR turmoil. That means loss of billions of Baht this year.

Nothing compares to that by Thai standards so if there are DNA samples to test again, they surely have been swapped already and frankly I am quite impressed that the 2 scapegoats have not "committed suicide" yet.

You thought Thailand was the land of smile? you've not been here long have you?

[JOC]

I have not made many comments on this subject so far as there have been thousands of comments made by other posters already, but I would like to think if there is any such thing as justice the RTP will be exposed for what they are concerning this terrible investigation, much as the previous government was for their botched rule.

I imagine there were similar botched investigations of serious crimes under the PTP and/or Democrat rule but in the nine years I have been in Thailand I don't remember another one receiving so much attention.

Is it because the RTP were expected (allowed ?) to behave in this manner before, but not now under the new government ?

Nothing to do with party politics!!

Only a question about reaching the point, where enough is enough!!

The people (Thais and expats) finally had enough with all the BS!!

[Sviss Geez]

An interesting use of the word ''coy.''

1

1.

artfully or affectedly shy or reserved; slyly hesitant; coquettish.

2.

shy; modest.

3.

showing reluctance, especially when insincere or affected, to reveal one's plans or opinions, make a commitment, or take a stand:

The mayor was coy about his future political aspirations.

4.

Archaic. disdainful; aloof.

Indeed the definition of the word ''coy'' in connection to the police farce force is somewhat apt with the exclusion of number 2 of course.

Or more accurately, an absolutely correct use of the word.

[sweatalot]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

Not even that, may be it would if the test were in all stages done by an indepent organisation not by Thjai police "official=theatre"

[Gettingaround]

That picture alone would negate the possibility of a fair trial in any country in the world with a proper justice system.

What is it with the pictures of alleged offenders being paraded in front of the media, never seen anything quite like it in any other country.

[MaiChai]

Dont go to Koh Tao; killer still at large?

[Varangkul]

But, But why would they re-open the ' perfect ' case and even the British observers said the investigation was carried out exactly as they would conducted it. Well that's the Thai version anyway.

Oh wait, the state prosecutors don't seem to be too happy.

What to do ? Decisions, decisions and making them isn't exactly a Thai thing.

No in fact thew british Police have said nothing, it is the Thai that stated the British police agreed with how the investigation was investigated NOT the British. The UK Police are doing what they were allowed to do, view , not interfere and report back to the UK, that is what they have done, what they saw or think is shrouded in secrecy.

I dont agree with your comment ". shrouded in secrecy" The UK police are doing what they always do - keeping their trap shut until all evidence has been gathered. Why should they let you - or anyone else know - what they are doing?

[smotherb]

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"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

Haven't you missed the point? How ludicrous is it to say the lack of his DNA presence absolves him of the murder? It may absolve him of the rape, but even that may not be sure--if he did not ejaculate, would his DNA be present?

You are missing his sarcasm, and cells other than semen have DNA.

Would any DNA necessarily be present in a rape?

[Baerboxer]

<Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders> QUOTE

"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

You can prove this?

[Orac]

jspill post # 28.

I can think of a Thai word that sounds like coy to describe the police.

Why are we or you waiting?

Well come along enlighten us all with your profound knowledge.

Hoy? The English equivalent would begin with C and would end in S in plural form.

Hmmm. Oyster, shellfish.

Gee, Dave, that ending in "s" in its plural form is really enlightening. However, I believe jspill and you are referring to a Thai slang term for a woman's vagina. And, yes, Hugh, it does mean shellfish, more commonly clams.

crustaceans fit

[allan michaud]

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Well they might be accurate but that only confirms he didn't rape the girl, nothing more.

[metisdead]

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[Baerboxer]

Cowboys comes to mind! A few nights ago a car went through a road block outside Central Festival (04-11-14) Pattaya and some cowboy cop blasts off 10 or more rounds to shoot out the tyres on the stationary Honda!

With the traffic outside Central Festival the cop could have walked after the car and still arrested him because the Honda was blocked with traffic.

So, it would be safe to assume, with all the facts we have accumulated from the past, that the Thai police are somewhere between stupid and dangerous!

Just wait till they get the conscripts out and about with their guns.

[boomerangutang]

I have not made many comments on this subject so far as there have been thousands of comments made by other posters already, but I would like to think if there is any such thing as justice the RTP will be exposed for what they are concerning this terrible investigation, much as the previous government was for their botched rule. I imagine there were similar botched investigations of serious crimes under the PTP and/or Democrat rule but in the nine years I have been in Thailand I don't remember another one receiving so much attention.

Is it because the RTP were expected (allowed ?) to behave in this manner before, but not now under the new government ?

Some reasons why this case has rec'd such notice:

>>> heinious crime

>>> power of social internet outlets + mass of concerned responses

>>> blatant multiple screw-ups by Thai investigators

>>> blundering frame-up of Burmese

>>> obvious shielding of powerful headman's family and friends

That picture alone would negate the possibility of a fair trial in any country in the world with a proper justice system.

What is it with the pictures of alleged offenders being paraded in front of the media, never seen anything quite like it in any other country.

The picture is cropped. The entire photo (which I tried posting but couldn't, because of forum rules) shows stern faced cops standing around the scapegoats, most of whom have their fists clenched. In plain sight among the police brass is the headman's brother, Mon. The same fellow who was (and should still be) a prime suspect.

[jdinasia]

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"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

Haven't you missed the point? How ludicrous is it to say the lack of his DNA presence absolves him of the murder? It may absolve him of the rape, but even that may not be sure--if he did not ejaculate, would his DNA be present?

You are missing his sarcasm, and cells other than semen have DNA.

Would any DNA necessarily be present in a rape?

Unless the perp was wearing a body condom.

[Baerboxer]

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Well they might be accurate but that only confirms he didn't rape the girl, nothing more.

If JOC can prove his accusations then he should do so. Otherwise he is simply stating what he'd like to believe happened as it supports his conspiracy theory. Amazing how many really think "they know" all what happened.

The tests seem to show that the boy accused by many on social media, but previously cleared by police, did not have physical contact with the victim. The investigation itself has been fraught with claims, statements and contradictions most of which came from various police officers giving statements to the press, or journalists claiming "police sources." That has created a myriad of unanswered questions, which the full report may or may not answer, and means any statements now are treated with caution.

Whatever happens now, whatever the British police, British government, Burmese government say or do, whatever the Thai authorities say or do, those "who know" will never change their view.

[tingtong]

''Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders.''

Official DNA test results have showed that that 2 Burmese guys did it.

Officials however had to beat up those 2 Burmese, to confess....that kind a prove what official DNA tests worth here.

Managed to link Burmese to cigarette butt by DNA, did that happen to murder weapon too; I don't recall.

On the side, I would like to hear what happened to the witness(es), the CCTV footage, or why that island criminal influential man and his son only DNA tested month after the case, where they were tied to the case from the start.

[boomerangutang]

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<Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders> QUOTE

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Well they might be accurate but that only confirms he didn't rape the girl, nothing more.

The DNA results from the press conference don't confirm anything. Does anyone think that there was any doubt that Nomsod's DNA wouldn't match? With all the police brass and the kid's father and a slew of press agents/cameras in attendance, it's obvious the heavies knew the DNA results would show a non-match. Even the top cop was grinning as the DNA was being taken from the punk.

It all hinges on the DNA labeled 'Taken From Female Victim.' The only people who know whether that is correctly labelled are the top brass, and they ain't showing their hand. The same folks who won't even share Nomsod's DNA results with the Brit observers.

[hansnoi]

<Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders> QUOTE

"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

Wonder why the lawyers of the two suspects till now didn't ask for a new DNA-test for them. Or have I missed something in the news?

[slipperx]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

No it doesn't. It shows the samples taken from the boy do not match the samples provided by the police which were taken by people under control of the police. That is all it shows.

Since the police are suspected by some of a huge corrupt cover up, comparing samples with anything provided by them us a bit like asking a suspected murderer to produce the gun he used to kill his victim, then saying the gun does not match the bullet that killed the victim so therefore he is not the murderer. Maybe he just showed the wrong gun or someone swapped out the bullet.

Of course no logic in deceitful Thailand

[Lupatria]

Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders.

As far as I remember- it only showed his son was not involved in the rape...

[Soutpeel]

<Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders> QUOTE

"Official" (like in paid) is the main word here!!

Wonder why the lawyers of the two suspects till now didn't ask for a new DNA-test for them. Or have I missed something in the news?

Testing again is somewhat irrelevant if the reference samples they are comparing to have been tampered with, and believe the RTP already have two lots of samples from the accused already

[DJVillain]

"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."

No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.

No it doesn't. It shows the samples taken from the boy do not match the samples provided by the police which were taken by people under control of the police. That is all it shows.

Since the police are suspected by some of a huge corrupt cover up, comparing samples with anything provided by them us a bit like asking a suspected murderer to produce the gun he used to kill his victim, then saying the gun does not match the bullet that killed the victim so therefore he is not the murderer. Maybe he just showed the wrong gun or someone swapped out the bullet.

Of course no logic in deceitful Thailand

Thats the thing mate; there is logic.... but its to benefit the deceit...

The only thing the logic is there for is to make sure the police keep getting money and hi-so people don't go to prison...

Everything and everybody else is expendable

[sawadeeken]

Has anybody thought about - if these 2 Burmese are not the killers, then the real killers have had so much extra time to get away and cover their tracks, etc. (even time to change identities) ...........

[z42]

Burmese folks get your passports ready is my advice. Some of the bluntest tools in the box might come knocking again if this gets green lighted

[Chris Lawrence]

Wonder what the British cops report said? How did the view the collection of evidence, capture of suspects, interview process, confessions and the prosecutors reports back to the police?

Could read something like this: Utter &lt;deleted&gt;. Investigation has more holes than Swiss cheese?

The only thing anyone wants is justice. If it’s a stitch up than the person who committed the crime is still on the loose and able to refine their skills in future endeavours. Very dangerous to leave sleeping dogs lie.