SteveFong Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 They will probably just be starved to death I never saw anything this horrible not even the Stasi, ok, maybe the Stasi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 After reading thousands of messages i can't get this Leonard Cohen song out of my head! Everybody Knows Everybody knows that the dice are loadedEverybody rolls with their fingers crossed Everybody knows that the war is over Everybody knows the good guys lost Everybody knows the fight was fixed The poor stay poor, the rich get rich That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied Everybody got this broken feeling Like their father or their dog just died Everybody talking to their pockets Everybody wants a box of chocolates And a long stem rose Everybody knows Everybody knows that you love me baby Everybody knows that you really do Everybody knows that you've been faithful Ah give or take a night or two Everybody knows you've been discreet But there were so many people you just had to meet Without your clothes And everybody knows Everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows And everybody knows that it's now or never Everybody knows that it's me or you And everybody knows that you live forever Ah when you've done a line or two Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows And everybody knows that the Plague is coming Everybody knows that it's moving fast Everybody knows that the naked man and woman Are just a shining artifact of the past Everybody knows the scene is dead But there's gonna be a meter on your bed That will disclose What everybody knows And everybody knows that you're in trouble Everybody knows what you've been through From the bloody cross on top of Calvary To the beach of Malibu Everybody knows it's coming apart Take one last look at this Sacred Heart Before it blows And everybody knows Everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Oh everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Love the way Don Henley did it. Everybody knows the RTP are rotten So sad it'l soon be forgotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falangjim Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 they are not seeing their lawyers, but reports to the press that they are? that is unfathomable check on that thought Yes, Steve, it is confusing and conflicting. My reading of it is that the lawyers have been permitted access while the RTP have been interrogating them - which is not quite the same as having exclusive access to discuss their defence without any RTP or prison officials present - as stated by the lawyers when the B2 were refused bail. From articles I've read, it seems there is no private room for lawyers and the stitched up B2 to discuss the trial. They talk through the bars of the door. No privacy. No justice. Very typical Thai intimidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It seems though that they are still getting visits and assistance. Andy Hall posted messages today that they were in good spirits so some agencies are seeing them. I am sure they are gaining in hope following yet another "return" of the case due to insufficient evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 hope? who thinks they are being treated well as soon as their visitors leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 hope? who thinks they are being treated well as soon as their visitors leave Yes see what you are saying Steve, but there are a few agencies hanging around. Andy Hall apparently visited today and I am pretty sure his people know what they are looking for. Still too much media attention, long may it continue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 didnt they have a taxi driver "witness" but he was an honest man and wouldn't play ball Here is the story: http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373 THE NATIONAL Human Rights Commission will discuss next week what action should be taken after police again failed to answer a summons related to the much-publicised murders on Koh Tao. Despite the summons, police failed to come before an NHRC subcommittee last week and also yesterday. His subcommittee is looking into an allegation that two suspects, both Myanmar nationals, were tortured into confessing to the killing of two British tourists on Koh Tao. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Moves-to-remove-police-from-Koh-Tao-murder-probe-30246902.html If the confessions as evidence disappear, the whole case is on thin ice. The actual course of events in the night of murder seems totally unclear without witnesses.It then remains only circumstantial. And this evidence there en masse and are very contradictory been disseminated in the press. Hopefully the real killers are caught and punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 every time I hear that the prosecution is asking for circumstantial evidence all I hear is, prove they did more than buy a bottle of wine, share a cigarette and then go home after singing songs, or, because they saw the gang rape start, and got the hell out of there so they weren't accidental witnesses had they been a risk to the real killers, they would have bene found floating Sean McAnna was a high risk, and thus, he was chased off the island in fear of being hung from a tree which reminds me, wasn't there a Japanese business woman who was found hanging from a tree on Kho Tao, strung up by a garden hose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 hope? who thinks they are being treated well as soon as their visitors leave Yes see what you are saying Steve, but there are a few agencies hanging around. Andy Hall apparently visited today and I am pretty sure his people know what they are looking for. Still too much media attention, long may it continue. if Andy Hall is still pursuing this, then our job is done. if the Human Rights people are going to keep this fresh in the news, then these kids have a chance will the real killers and ..{".rapists on Kho Ta".} ever be proseuted and brought to justice, from everything I read about crime in Thailand, no one should hold their breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) A German language report on a Swiss national recently reported missing at Sairee Beach is saying the beach is now referred to as 'Murder Beach'. That is very sad for the honest families down there who work hard to make a living from the tourist businesses they own. Edited November 10, 2014 by Dogmatix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 A German language report on a Swiss national recently reported missing at Sairee Beach is saying the beach is now referred to as 'Murder Beach'. That is very sad for the honest families down there who work hard to make a living from the tourist businesses they own. Sorry but these tourist based businesses know what has gone on there before, complicit im sure not but willing to turn a blind eye and not rock the boat ? certainly. I can find little sympathy im afraid but for for the victims over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabis Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 There is an english story about this in phuket wan also - so can't link but you can google with 'Swiss Snorkeller Goes Missing'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 A German language report on a Swiss national recently reported missing at Sairee Beach is saying the beach is now referred to as 'Murder Beach'. That is very sad for the honest families down there who work hard to make a living from the tourist businesses they own. Sorry but these tourist based businesses know what has gone on there before, complicit im sure not but willing to turn a blind eye and not rock the boat ? certainly. I can find little sympathy im afraid but for for the victims over the years. this doesnt sound any different than the USA in the 1920's and 1930's when gangs ruled the cities Thailand is going thru its growing pains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketandsee Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 A German language report on a Swiss national recently reported missing at Sairee Beach is saying the beach is now referred to as 'Murder Beach'. That is very sad for the honest families down there who work hard to make a living from the tourist businesses they own. Sorry but these tourist based businesses know what has gone on there before, complicit im sure not but willing to turn a blind eye and not rock the boat ? certainly. I can find little sympathy im afraid but for for the victims over the years. this doesnt sound any different than the USA in the 1920's and 1930's when gangs ruled the cities Thailand is going thru its growing pains Big difference. Sure, in the US the mob controlled local police and politicians here and there and many unions (they still do) but they never reached right up to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 A German language report on a Swiss national recently reported missing at Sairee Beach is saying the beach is now referred to as 'Murder Beach'. That is very sad for the honest families down there who work hard to make a living from the tourist businesses they own. Sorry but these tourist based businesses know what has gone on there before, complicit im sure not but willing to turn a blind eye and not rock the boat ? certainly. I can find little sympathy im afraid but for for the victims over the years. this doesnt sound any different than the USA in the 1920's and 1930's when gangs ruled the cities Thailand is going thru its growing pains Big difference. Sure, in the US the mob controlled local police and politicians here and there and many unions (they still do) but they never reached right up to the top. J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Baines Johnson were both criminals LBJ had the most to gain from the death of JFK as he was soon headed to prison, at the hand of RFK Crime was at the top in the USA and, still is, now it is called Congress and the method, called taxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketandsee Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 LBJ headed to prison?? How do you figure that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Sounds like there is sand in the gear now... I think it's a good sign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 A German language report on a Swiss national recently reported missing at Sairee Beach is saying the beach is now referred to as 'Murder Beach'. That is very sad for the honest families down there who work hard to make a living from the tourist businesses they own. Sorry but these tourist based businesses know what has gone on there before, complicit im sure not but willing to turn a blind eye and not rock the boat ? certainly. I can find little sympathy im afraid but for for the victims over the years. this doesnt sound any different than the USA in the 1920's and 1930's when gangs ruled the cities Thailand is going thru its growing pains Big difference. Sure, in the US the mob controlled local police and politicians here and there and many unions (they still do) but they never reached right up to the top. 100% agreed. For sure The mob didn't killed innocent turists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I don't know that anyone here believes ": the Killers of Kho Tao :" actually intended to kill anyone that night, I personally believe it was a rape that went bad because a witness was involved If the girl was date raped unconscious, they likely would have just left her wake up there, the Miller lad, likely came to her aid, just the way Sean McAnna said it happened, while the "heat was on" I believe Sean, who feared for his life, and would have confessed to every crime he knew about, had he felt he needed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny S Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 didnt think this horrible case could get more horrific but once again the RTP etc. pulls out a rabbit from the hat and scr*w us all over once more - Land Of Shame sorry to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Think you might have point Steve. Something bad was happening and david stumbled upon it while looking for her to check she was ok. Rest is speculation until the real evidence comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 changnaam what planet are you on, this is Thailand the quote "real" evidence will never come out, you could drive a truck through this case.i wonder, have you been following it at all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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