Thailand to push back more than 200 boat people: police

[Ridercnx808]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Then go find them and rent a house for them for the rest of their lives.

[Thai at Heart]

Sending them out to sea to fend for themselves is politically and ethically the absolutely worst thing for Thailand to do.

Transfer them, put them in a camp, employ them, but do not send them back out to sea.

[Bluespunk]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Then go find them and rent a house for them for the rest of their lives.

Or better still put pressure on the burmese govt to stop the horrendous treatment they receive in their own country and let them live in the houses they have occupied for generations.

[Jazofobe 101]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Oz is getting unbelievably bad publicity just because it wants to preserve its culture (sic...) and way of life. Why does nowhere else get such opprobrium? These migrants: the men are mainly economic migrants(ie they want to live somewhere nice and take the tax concessions) and the women who "want to join their husbands" are merely hoping to work on their back like any other Thais - it's all they know.

Chuck 'em back. And chuck back economic-migrant Thais too back to the LOS. They don't deserve to stay in real countries. They are a disgrace.

[BirdsandBooze]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

ompletely wrong.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

Ask anyone in the UK, and most would tell you that they wished that the same thing could be done with the droves of low grade migrants arriving from the ex-soviet states in Eastern Europe. Most go straight onto welfare, and there are packs of Roma gypsies sleeping rough, begging and stealing. The social services are straining to cope with lengthening waiting lists for schools, doctors and the like.

The EU is a salient example of what happens when economic migration taken to its unrestricted extreme, and it's not a pretty sight.

I don't blame Thailand for no wanting them over here. Allow a few in and next they'll arrive in droves.

I'm sorry that they are hard up, but Thailand can't support them all.

With the exception of the Roma the vast majority of Eastern Europeans who go to the UK do so to work. The factories and fields are full of Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians grafting on minimum wage. The problem is that they can boost their wages with tax credits and housing benefit which ultimately is funded by the British taxpayer. The real villains are the greedy British businessmen who exploit the system by paying minimum wage knowing the British taxpayer will foot the bill for topping it up. The Eastern Europeans are just filling the jobs that long term British dole scroungers refuse to do. As for the Rohingya, they are a stateless, persecuted minority and these present boat people have already stated that they were trying to get to Malaysia.

[JOC]

Some interesting numbers for those posters so fearful of their way of life will disappear with the arrival of refugees:

The UK 319 natives per 1 refugee

Australia 1018 natives per 1 refugee

Thailand 710 natives per 1 refugee

Jordan 3(!!) natives per 1 refugee

(UNWRA 2013)

Seeing those numbers, makes you wonder , whatever happened to empathy and solidarity??

As for the xenophopic posters here: 1018 Australians are afraid of 1 muslim??

Edited November 11, 2014 by JOC

[BirdsandBooze]

A quote from the police colonel in charge of Kapoe district where the Rohingya are being detained - "No country wants an outsider to come in to their house."

[simple1]

The narrowmindedness of some people scares me more than ISIL and Al Qaeda ever will!!

Just basic common sense, take them in and another 10 will turn up, take them in and the floodgates open. Thailand has every right to protect it's borders from economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. If the Rohingya want to claim asylum they should go to a Muslim country where they will be able to integrate, they could not in Burma and would not in Thailand. Thank goodness the Thais are not a soft touch like so many western countries, the UK should be a warning at what happens when the bleeding heart liberals get elected, that country has been ruined by mass immigration, 'asylum' seekers, visa over stayers, sham marriages, illegals arriving on the back of lorries, over a million at least in the last ten years. Well done Thailand, keep them OUT.

Obtuse post.

The Rohingya are officially blocked from integrating into Burmese society, have been for decades.

None of the neighbouring Muslim countries (Malayasia, Indonesia and Bangladesh) welcome and assist the Rohingya to integrate and lead productive lives.

well Thailand is just doing what Muslim countries do then, they are blocked from Thailand and quite right too, let their Muslim 'brothers' take them. Must say something about the rohinngya that even their own kind want noting to do with them, or does that say more about Islam?

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Rohingya are not "there own kind" they would be stateless foreign nationals.

The OP is about cruel treatment of a group of people. As Thailand is not a signatory to the UN Convention for Refugees the least the Thai government could do is to arrange safe passage back to Burma, not push them back to sea. There are reports of Rohingya being mistreated when returned to Burma, but better chance of survival for them.

You know all of the above, but prefer to post vilification against one of the most oppressed groups worldwide.

[chooka]

On one hand the glorious leader is stating Thailand is making huge advancements on human rights and deserves a U.N seat then on the other hand pushing people out to sea to die. Wouldn't believe a word the current government says as they are constantly being caught out. The general is 100% responsible for this violation of human rights and it proves he considers non thais as pure scum.

[jacky54]

Rohingya are not "there own kind" they would be stateless foreign nationals.

The OP is about cruel treatment of a group of people. As Thailand is not a signatory to the UN Convention for Refugees the least the Thai government could do is to arrange safe passage back to Burma, not push them back to sea. There are reports of Rohingya being mistreated when returned to Burma, but better chance of survival for them.

You know all of the above, but prefer to post vilification against one of the most oppressed groups worldwide.

All Muslims are brothers

[Bluespunk]

Rohingya are not "there own kind" they would be stateless foreign nationals.

The OP is about cruel treatment of a group of people. As Thailand is not a signatory to the UN Convention for Refugees the least the Thai government could do is to arrange safe passage back to Burma, not push them back to sea. There are reports of Rohingya being mistreated when returned to Burma, but better chance of survival for them.

You know all of the above, but prefer to post vilification against one of the most oppressed groups worldwide.

All Muslims are brothers

You know, I don't think they are……..

[jacky54]

They are when it suits them to be, of course their wonderful and true religion does not stop them slaughtering each other.

[Guest]

other countries should take notice and follow thailand and never let muslims into a non muslim country, look around at what happens and learn the lesson.

the world is now fighting muslims, get some balls.

[Bluespunk]

They are when it suits them to be, of course their wonderful and true religion does not stop them slaughtering each other.

I think you'll find that's true of all religions.

[Bluespunk]

other countries should take notice and follow thailand and never let muslims into a non muslim country, look around at what happens and learn the lesson.

the world is now fighting muslims, get some balls.

Brains might be more useful.

[chooka]

Ah this is where the 200+ who went missing from an immigration detention centre are.

[Guest]

there is nothing so true as the old saying,

most muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are muslim

[Fat Haggis]

Try explaining that one to Djjamie then !! ?

[agrow]

Some interesting numbers for those posters so fearful of their way of life will disappear with the arrival of refugees:

The UK 319 natives per 1 refugee

Australia 1018 natives per 1 refugee

Thailand 710 natives per 1 refugee

Jordan 3(!!) natives per 1 refugee

(UNWRA 2013)

Seeing those numbers, makes you wonder , whatever happened to empathy and solidarity??

As for the xenophopic posters here: 1018 Australians are afraid of 1 muslim??

not afraid,but due to our high taxes it takes 1019 australians to pay for 1 muslim.

[Bluespunk]

there is nothing so true as the old saying,

most muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are muslim

Oh dear.

[Thanet]

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

Ask anyone in the UK, and most would tell you that they wished that the same thing could be done with the droves of low grade migrants arriving from the ex-soviet states in Eastern Europe. Most go straight onto welfare, and there are packs of Roma gypsies sleeping rough, begging and stealing. The social services are straining to cope with lengthening waiting lists for schools, doctors and the like.

The EU is a salient example of what happens when economic migration taken to its unrestricted extreme, and it's not a pretty sight.

I don't blame Thailand for no wanting them over here. Allow a few in and next they'll arrive in droves.

I'm sorry that they are hard up, but Thailand can't support them all.

Ask anyone in the UK? OK, but don't limit your selection to xenophobic idiots. Truth is, the UK profits tremendously from migrant workers.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

Interesting that you quote The Guardian - a minority UK newspaper, whose readership is mainly socialist intellectuals and liberals. Think the likes of Ed Miliband, Tony Blair, Harriet Harman, et al.

Socialist intellectuals in the UK, over the years, have not had to live with the consequences of their disastrous decisions. Rather, they are a minority elite who generally live in wealthy areas that are not beset with hoards of low grade EU migrants, of the type that the community in general has had to put up with.

The attitude that anyone who is objecting to uncontrolled mass immigration is a "xenophobic idiot" perfectly characterises the stance of socialist intellectuals, and the political elite in the UK (and elsewhere) generally, who have stopped listening to the concerns of the general public. It is precisely the reason why public opinion is turning so decisively against them right now. Roll on the next election, and you'll see what I mean.

As far as immigration is concerned, I'd say that Thailand looks to the EU as a lesson in what not to do right now.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Thanet

[Si Thea01]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

No, the Aussies are not pushing the boats back out to sea. They are intercepting them and then escorting them back to Indonesian waters where it is safe to do so. We Aussies are not a callous race. The prior Labor Government, along with the reds, sorry Greens Party, had an open border policy which saw 50,000 people, in about 800 boats, reach our shores in just over 3 years. And this does not take into account the 1000's who lost there lives trying to get to Australia via boat. There have only been one or two boats reach Australia since the Coalition Government took over in September last year, with many being retuned home or taken to offshore immigration detention centres.

Most were economic migrants, mainly from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, then later the Indians and Sri Lanka got on board. (Excuse the Pun) You are right about a majority of then going onto welfare but this has now been stopped and they are detained at the centres until it can be established if they are genuine refugees. Many have opted to return home with a government handout of about A$5,000.00. You will find, if you'd care to check, that Australia resettles migrants more per capita then any other country.

There was a big problem between Indonesia and Australia but this appears now to have been settled, with Australia again being the sucker and having to pay monies and give assets to Indonesia totalling abut 50 million plus. Sure Australia has turned back boats but nothing like it is being reported here in Thailand. Our people have shown a lot more compassion and if it has been unsafe to turn them back they have taken them aboard Australian maritime vessels for their own safety and the country ends up being stuck with them until their bona fides are checked.

It should be noted however, that in Australia the statistics suggest that more illegal immigrants arrive by plane, 58,000 at last count, who become illegal by overstaying their visas. Unfortunately, boat people are becoming a problem world wide now and most are from mainly Islamic countries where Muslims are being persecuted by Muslims. Sometimes very good people arrive but then so do some very bad people.

At one stage it was discovered that a people smuggler from Indonesia had come to Australia on a boat and as he knew the system was able to get through. His family followed later, were able to obtain welfare and government housing, after lying about his death, yet during this time he worked in a Canberra shopping centre collecting trollies whilst still conducting his smuggling business. Even though the Australian Federal Police had a computer listed warning against him he was able to leave the country, (maybe allowed?) and flee back to Indonesia, whilst his family, who lied, as he did to get to Australia, are still there.

So now that you have a bit of background into what has happened and is happening now in Australia, I would suggest that before you suggest that Aussies have done the same as Thailand, that you check the facts before putting fingers to the keyboard. The internet is a wonderful thing you know for sourcing many subjects.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Si Thea01

[Thanet]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

No, the Aussies are not pushing the boats back out to sea. They are intercepting them and then escorting them back to Indonesian waters where it is safe to do so. We Aussies are not a callous race. The prior Labor Government, along with the reds, sorry Greens Party, had an open border policy which saw 50,000 people, in about 800 boats, reach our shores in just over 3 years. And this does not take into account the 1000's who lost there lives trying to get to Australia via boat. There have only been one or two boats reach Australia since the Coalition Government took over in September last year, with many being retuned home or taken to offshore immigration detention centres.

Most were economic migrants, mainly from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, then later the Indians and Sri Lanka got on board. (Excuse the Pun) You are right about a majority of then going onto welfare but this has now been stopped and they are detained at the centres until it can be established if they are genuine refugees. Many have opted to return home with a government handout of about A$5,000.00. You will find, if you'd care to check, that Australia resettles migrants more per capita then any other country.

There was a big problem between Indonesia and Australia but this appears now to have been settled, with Australia again being the sucker and having to pay monies and give assets to Indonesia totalling abut 50 million plus. Sure Australia has turned back boats but nothing like it is being reported here in Thailand. Our people have shown a lot more compassion and if it has been unsafe to turn them back they have taken them aboard Australian maritime vessels for their own safety and the country ends up being stuck with them until their bona fides are checked.

It should be noted however, that in Australia the statistics suggest that more illegal immigrants arrive by plane, 58,000 at last count, who become illegal by overstaying their visas. Unfortunately, boat people are becoming a problem world wide now and most are from mainly Islamic countries where Muslims are being persecuted by Muslims. Sometimes very good people arrive but then so do some very bad people.

At one stage it was discovered that a people smuggler from Indonesia had come to Australia on a boat and as he knew the system was able to get through. His family followed later, were able to obtain welfare and government housing, after lying about his death, yet during this time he worked in a Canberra shopping centre collecting trollies whilst still conducting his smuggling business. Even though the Australian Federal Police had a computer listed warning against him he was able to leave the country, (maybe allowed?) and flee back to Indonesia, whilst his family, who lied, as he did to get to Australia, are still there.

So now that you have a bit of background into what has happened and is happening now in Australia, I would suggest that before you suggest that Aussies have done the same as Thailand, that you check the facts before putting fingers to the keyboard. The internet is a wonderful thing you know for sourcing many subjects.

I think that this is coming down to semantics. You know - 'pushing them back out to sea' versus 'escorting them back to Indonesia'. They may have been chucking food and water bottles at the migrants while they were escorting them? Unless you are in the Navy, and were on one of the 'escorting' ships, it is a conjecture of yours to make judgements here as to how 'safe' this 'escorting' actually was, and how much force was needed to accomplish it.

As a fellow Aussie, I know that we are not a callous bunch. That said, patience was wearing thin and people were getting killed on a regular basis making perilous journeys to Australia by boat. Drastic action could be justified in preventing further loss of life.

Abbot got in on a 'stop the boats' ticket - I voted for him myself. When dealing with criminal people traffickers, the public was behind him, and he would have been painfully aware of the consequences of failing in his flagship election promise.

[kblaze]

Frankly i feel sorry for them as a human tragedy, because they lost every rights in Burma. But on the other hand, once they migrate and settle in a country, they start to build mosques and they will start their other business too. Only way to settle the issue is, Muslim majority countries like Malaysia or Indonesia should welcome them and settle them along side with them.

so its because they are muslim that they shouldn't be allowed in?

muslims should only live in muslim-majority countries?

[NextStationBangkok]

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Frankly i feel sorry for them as a human tragedy, because they lost every rights in Burma. But on the other hand, once they migrate and settle in a country, they start to build mosques and they will start their other business too. Only way to settle the issue is, Muslim majority countries like Malaysia or Indonesia should welcome them and settle them along side with them.

so its because they are muslim that they shouldn't be allowed in?

muslims should only live in muslim-majority countries?

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Burma says they are migrants from Bangladesh, and Bangladesh is not accepting them as their citizens. I don't say Muslims have to stay with Muslim majority countries. But most of the things happening around the world make difficulties for good Muslims. Because whole world is radicalized at the moment. Who would invite unnecessary troubles ??

You can just read the latest article from BBC.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30005278

[maidee]

if only they did the same at the coasts of spain and italy