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[Thomas Hannah]

Who are these idiots,who give advice ,,YOU ARE IN THAILAND..not were ever you come from..She wants a divorce,because she already has another farrang lined up ,to take from him ,what she can get from him,,, The husband will get nothing back from the home he built,unless he pays her off.,Or just trys to stay in the home till he dies..If you know anything about thailand,,You know that would not be possible,Due to harrasement,from neighbours and family of her..Anybody who builds a house in thailand,Is on a looser..If it was me ,I would get a bulldozer,and flatten the house,,Leave thailand ,and not come back,,Who is asking the question on here,,Most proberbly the next idiot in line.

unfortunately if u bulldozer it she could get u arrested as she owns half of it unless of course it was built before they got married

even then u would probably be arrested for trespass...TIT

You are the TIT,It is a cival case,Police cannot arrest you,She has to sue you for half her damage,Read what i said,Its been done before.Why do people on here try to talk law,And talk of law in there own country,I suggest you learn about thailand,Has the thai who bashed the American been charged,or arrested,Why do you come on a thai forum,The husband does not know, how lucky he is,They normaly poison them before divorce.She,s only asking about divorce,In case theres a lot more she can screw him for.

[Thomas Hannah]

Samjack I presume your a farang, so why are you involved in a Thai scam to steal this guys house ??????

As you should know this situation is very common.

Thai girl loves farang. Thai girl and farang get married. Family offers piece of land ( worth 200 baht)

Farang pays to build house ( Wife's family get kick back from builder proberbly 10% of cost)

Wife then unhappy wants divorce.

The house is on wife's land and the family will not pay the farang any money for house.

Job done business as normal.

AND Samjack as asking for advise for the poor Thai girl. What a fool

Spot on,But one thing missing,She does not need his advice,Samjack is being sucked in ,with the old pity me scam.And i no nothing,I stupid.You samjack clever.

[mikosan]

I read all this and the one thing that strikes me is how uneducated the people are that post. Firstly, whilst I appreciate that English is not the first language of everyone on here, basic grammar, punctuation and spelling, from those that are, would be most appreciated. Secondly, the majority of answers to the questions posed are readily available from any number of reliable sources on the Internet, rather than bitter and twisted idiots who have nothing better to do than vent their frustrations at a life they have become incapable of dealing with personally. As a final aside, I wouldn't take any advice from most people who post on here anyway.

[lioness]

Has anyone answered the question, how does a Thai woman divorce her farang husband???

Well Jacksam, this Thai chick is not your girlfriend you say, you obviously have an "interest", maybe the Thai girl will get rid of Farang husband, tie herself up with Jacksam and hey presto, he's living in a nice house... paid for by someone else.

[nithisa78]

gift her the house....go on with life.

[jacksam]

OK enough. Someone close this post. My aim was mainly to clarify one point. That being how does some obtain a divorce when the other party does not want one. The house/assets was mentioned to describe this particular situation. A situation that would not be uncommon. Some posts have suggested seek a lawyer. Yes that's obvious, however I was interested in how these things work and was looking for first hand experience of people that may have good through the process.

I'm sure all the posts about Thai ripping off the poor old farang are true. However, such a very narrow minded view.

For the record the bloke in question is not being troubled by the family. He is happily living the single man life style and has a no sex means no support rule. That's fine. His business. Point is there is zero incentive for him to do anything but relax and enjoy. No problem. Just perhaps its not always the farang in a awkward position. The Thai woman would like a divorce. The assets are another matter.

Edited November 18, 2014 by jacksam

[HughJass]

Who are these idiots,who give advice ,,YOU ARE IN THAILAND..not were ever you come from..She wants a divorce,because she already has another farrang lined up ,to take from him ,what she can get from him,,, The husband will get nothing back from the home he built,unless he pays her off.,Or just trys to stay in the home till he dies..If you know anything about thailand,,You know that would not be possible,Due to harrasement,from neighbours and family of her..Anybody who builds a house in thailand,Is on a looser..If it was me ,I would get a bulldozer,and flatten the house,,Leave thailand ,and not come back,,Who is asking the question on here,,Most proberbly the next idiot in line.

unfortunately if u bulldozer it she could get u arrested as she owns half of it unless of course it was built before they got married

even then u would probably be arrested for trespass...TIT

You are the TIT,It is a cival case,Police cannot arrest you,She has to sue you for half her damage,Read what i said,Its been done before.Why do people on here try to talk law,And talk of law in there own country,I suggest you learn about thailand,Has the thai who bashed the American been charged,or arrested,Why do you come on a thai forum,The husband does not know, how lucky he is,They normaly poison them before divorce.She,s only asking about divorce,In case theres a lot more she can screw him for.

I would not dare any farang to rent a bulldozer and try to demolish a 3 million baht house (guess) on land belonging to a thai whether he paid for the build himself or not...you would be lucky if the police did arrest you,more likely you would get badly hurt or killed...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

shes not going to pay him a satang

he has no claim to the house as he does not own the land

she can call the police and have him removed from her land

no court in the Land of Scams is going to make her sell the house and give him his money back

never put more into Lieland than you can afford to lose

This is incorrect. All property acquired after the marriage is jointly owned. This includes the house IRRESPECTIVE of who bought it or who is named on the Land Registry documents as the owner. Both parties are entitled to half the proceeds of the land/house, once it has been sold.

Sorry, but your statement is not totally correct.

If the land was given by the father as a gift to the daughter only then it will be Sin Suan Tua ie her personal property.

( Ref... Section 1471 of the Thai Civil and commercial Code)

ThaidDown is correct on this...

The general Thai law on property/assets of all sorts acquired DURING a marriage is that it is community/marital property.

However, one specific exception to that rule in Thai family law is "property acquired by either spouse during marriage through a will or gift." That type of property remains the separate property of the recipient, under Thai family law.

A small added caveat: Thai family law also allows gifted property to be considered as marital property "through a will or gift made in writing if it is declared by such will or document of gift to be Sin Somros (marital property)." Though I doubt this latter case would apply in the OP's case.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Has anyone answered the question, how does a Thai woman divorce her farang husband???

AFAIK, the way Thais seek a divorce is the same way they get married -- by going to a local Amphur office, probably preferably where they were married originally, and filling out the appropriate divorce papers.

That would include specifying the division of marital property, if there is any. And I guess, it would also require the willing participation/attendance of both parties in order to execute the divorce.

In a situation where only ONE party wants the divorce and the other doesn't or isn't attending/participating, that may well be a situation that would require a court proceeding. But I'm not clear on the details of how it works, when only one party is participating.

[xtrnuno41]

Situation is poorly described.

Only say woman wants divorce, nothing about what she wants more.

Guy just wants invested money back if leaving.

He is married, so legally 50/50 rule. Also with the land, even he cant own.

Its all about assets in marriage.

So the whole property has to be sold and then split the money 50/50.

Main problem is the guy doesn't want to get divorced !!

Why not? Because of the money, visa status or though loves her?

If he wants to stay in that house, then he has to compensate in money and the woman for the land

has to grant usfruct or lease for the land. But a lawyer would be wise to visit after the 2 parties have decided

how to go on.

As i said poor story with low input..

[jacksam]

Xt did you bother reading my post updates. Think its pretty clear. Chick just wants divorce. I never stated one thing about she wants money. All the usual people went off in a tangent as per you mister.

[hanuman2543]

shes not going to pay him a satang

he has no claim to the house as he does not own the land

she can call the police and have him removed from her land

no court in the Land of Scams is going to make her sell the house and give him his money back

never put more into Lieland than you can afford to lose

It is not possible to sue your husband or wive for illegal trespassing here in Thailand. Have a look at Section 72 TPC.

[hanuman2543]

shes not going to pay him a satang

he has no claim to the house as he does not own the land

she can call the police and have him removed from her land

no court in the Land of Scams is going to make her sell the house and give him his money back

never put more into Lieland than you can afford to lose

This is incorrect. All property acquired after the marriage is jointly owned. This includes the house IRRESPECTIVE of who bought it or who is named on the Land Registry documents as the owner. Both parties are entitled to half the proceeds of the land/house, once it has been sold.[/quote

This is incorrect. Look CCC Section 1471 (3).

[hanuman2543]

You can find all the reasons for a contested divorce in Section 1516 CCC.

[jake335]

It's a mistake to get officially married. Rent land and buy a movable house.

[billphillips]

shes not going to pay him a satang

he has no claim to the house as he does not own the land

she can call the police and have him removed from her land

no court in the Land of Scams is going to make her sell the house and give him his money back

never put more into Lieland than you can afford to lose

This is incorrect. All property acquired after the marriage is jointly owned. This includes the house IRRESPECTIVE of who bought it or who is named on the Land Registry documents as the owner. Both parties are entitled to half the proceeds of the land/house, once it has been sold.

Yes, it's true, the house and contents if purchased during the marriage will have to be sold and the proceeds divided 50/50. The difficult bit is bringing this issue to fruition. Edited April 11, 2015 by billphillips

[thehelmsman]

If you can't afford to loose the bet, don't gamble with your hard earned money.

[tancred]

Hughjass makes the most true sense everyone in the land of wiles should keep a copy of his blog close to their heart,You can't get blood out of a stone,just walk away.

[Lucifer]

Agree with most people here. The husband should walk away coz he won't be getting anything back. His best bet would be to go back to the west, work another 30 years, come back and try again. I know that's what I would do.

[Thongkorn]

For a divorce all you have to do is go to the Ampher if i am not mistaken. tell them and it has to be amicable. the marriage has failed it will cost a few baht but its simple as that, You both have to go together and both agree Sorry but you will have a fight on your hands to get money back , maybe just best to walk away,

[phetpeter]

One very good reason not to accept land from the family to build your dream hse, firstly no one in the village is going to buy it! Secondly its on the their land and charges for ground rent will rise if you spit, Unless it has been split and land deeds issued, plus if that is the case you have your name added as the legal spouse and acquired in marriage, (in fact the amphur told my wife to bring me along and have that done)  Plus she is unable to borrow on the the house or land without your consent in writing)and your life will be a living/deadly hell staying put. Buy/build on a housing estate, then it can be sold at a profit if the need arises.

Edited February 7, 2018 by phetpeter
addition info

[BEVUP]

1 hour ago, phetpeter said:

One very good reason not to accept land from the family to build your dream hse, firstly no one in the village is going to buy it! Secondly its on the their land and charges for ground rent will rise if you spit, Unless it has been split and land deeds issued, plus if that is the case you have your name added as the legal spouse and acquired in marriage, (in fact the amphur told my wife to bring me along and have that done)  Plus she is unable to borrow on the the house or land without your consent in writing)and your life will be a living/deadly hell staying put. Buy/build on a housing estate, then it can be sold at a profit if the need arises.

Have you read the 101 posts on Chanotes here

Unless you are a Thai Citz how can you be a legal spouse on a Chanote

You may have the usual Second party rights, but it doesn't stop the owner doing what they want

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Rule number II.

“Do not purchase a home to be registered in a Thai woman’s name”.


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[tifino]

 

surely this 3+year old thread has been resolved by now?

[BEVUP]

2 hours ago, tifino said:

 

surely this 3+year old thread has been resolved by now?

Yes I cant believe it

Simple - cancel all bank accounts & start a new one & go for Abandment 

[spidermike007]

I have seen many situations like this one. And I have never heard of a Thai women paying a foreign man any money, at the time of divorce, no matter how many millions of baht he spent. Maybe he can ask for the car or truck. That is about all he can expect. Anytime one builds a home here in the wife's name or invests money in her name here, one has to be prepared to walk away from it. Delaying the divorce is probably just ignorant on his part. What is he going to end up getting out of this?

 

This is the very reason many of us like to take out time getting to know someone here. I wonder how long they were together before they got married? While this does not apply to all situations, the following advice is generally sound-

 

The biggest part of the problem here, is the extreme emasculation that is taking place in the West. Most men, in the US, Europe, and Oz, are no longer real men, when it comes to dealing with their women. Their women have made their lives so difficult, and alot of women have gotten so far away from their innate femininity, and have become dominant, and super controlling, and men just go along with it. Most men have become so hungry for love, or emotionally desperate for some kindness, and TLC. And most are so desirous of being around a real woman, who knows how to act like a woman, and manifest the dignity, within femininity. So, it is easy for the con artists, like this worm Jariyaporn, to take advantage of emotionally wounded men, who seem to be willing to do anything to regain a semblance of normality in their lives, with a decent woman. 

 

The bottom line is this. Take your time getting to know a woman here, or anywhere. Time is your ally. It is rarely their ally. They are usually trying to step up the timetable. We need to push back. We need to assert control. An environment like this allows us to do so. Take advantage of that. Be a man. Step up. Pay tribute to the gender. Refuse to lay down anymore. Refuse to be a doormat. Refuse to check your cajones at the door. Start making the decisions, and stop saying "honey what do you want?". "What will make you happy?" "Where do you want to eat?" I am not advocating domination of your woman. But, many Thai women like a man to be a man, and to behave like a man. I have so many friends, who come here, and from the very start, make the same mistakes they made back in the West. Except here, they do not need to make those mistakes. The environment does not dictate that they behave like lambs. Many do not know, or realize that, or they succumb to "force of habit". Every ship needs a captain. If the man is not willing to be the captain of the ship, the woman will take over, here in Thailand. Most women here seem to want a strong man. But, if they end up with a wimp, they will take charge. Someone has to.

 

Always remember, if it is good, it is only going to get better. If there are problems, or if she is a big baby, who only looks like a real woman, but in reality is a 13 year old, or if she is a con artist, if she is only in it for the money, those realizations will manifest themselves over time. Time allows clarity. Never, ever move too quickly. That is the undoing of most of these guys. Be like Bond. be a real man. Man up. Do yourself proud. 

 

[metisdead]

Resurrection of a 3 year old thread in which some of the original participants are no longer active, this thread is now closed.