Questions concerning retirement visa

[inwardglee]

a ) I will do my new retirement visa showing my bank holdings at Bangkok Bank in Thailand.

If the bank account runs for two names, mine and my partner's, will 800'000 THB still be enough to get the visa?

b ) Registering the visa in Pattaya, is there a way I can do the 90-day reports in other areas of Thailand?

Thank you for any information!

Edited November 24, 2014 by inwardglee

[ubonjoe]

The account needs to in your name only. Some offices will allow a joint account showing 1.6 million for married couples.

You can make 90 day reports at any office as long as you have a local address to put on the TM47 form. You could also mail your reports to Pattaya.

[Lite Beer]

As said, bank account in your name only.

[inwardglee]

Thank you!

I will ask the Pattaya Immigration how to do it by mail.

[Anon999]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

[Griffo63]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Yes but we all know what the OP meant.

[uptheos]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Yeah it seems to confuse some people on here, though the majority know what a person means when they mention it in conjunction with 800,000 baht. I've learned to say 'extension based on retirement' on here, but everywhere else including immigration I refer to it as a retirement visa and they all seem to know what I mean. Immigration officers even call it a retirement visa.

[DGS1244]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Does it really matter what you call it???

and a 'million times' in only 800 plus posts impressive!!! and boring.

[Naaling]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

This is completely silly!

If Its not a visa but an extension, then what is it an extension of? Isn't it an extension of a VISA? Is it possible to get an extension without a visa?

The extension keeps the original visa valid, so you are still on a VISA. The extension stamps in your passport do not stand by themselves. They all refer back to the original visa.

[csabo]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Does it really matter what you call it???

and a 'million times' in only 800 plus posts impressive!!! and boring.

Yes! It matters. The constant use of inappropriate terms is what leads to the constant confusion and constant repetition of previously asked and answered questions. That and and a staunch refusal to use the forum search function.

[uptheos]

I just typed Retirement Visa into the search function a received all the information I require for an extension

[hugh2121]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Don't be so picky. Everyone knows what is meant.

[vogie]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Yes but we all know what the OP meant.

Yes we all know what OP meant, but don't some people like to be pedantic.

[Suradit69]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

This is completely silly!

If Its not a visa but an extension, then what is it an extension of? Isn't it an extension of a VISA? Is it possible to get an extension without a visa?

The extension keeps the original visa valid, so you are still on a VISA. The extension stamps in your passport do not stand by themselves. They all refer back to the original visa.

"If Its not a visa but an extension, then what is it an extension of? Isn't it an extension of a VISA?"

No it is not an extension of a visa. The expiration date on the visa never is changed. When you enter the country you are given a stamp in your passport that details how long you may stay in Thailand. That is a permission to stay. When you get an extension, it is an extension of stay. If you think an extension is an extension of your visa, I suggest a test. Exit the country and come back, as some people on an extension have done. Surprise, surprise, you don't have a visa. Unless you got a re-entry permit to act as a visa, the extension will have gone up in smoke and you'd find yourself here on a visa exempt entry.

Some people who have been unable to fathom that difference and think the extension of stay preserves their visa have done just that. The crossed a border and returned to find themselves with a visa exempt entry, no visa and no more extension of stay. Then they sputter and say but immigrations extended my visa for a year. No they didn't.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/768553-visa-twist-at-suvanabuhmi-airport/?hl=+twist%20+airport

The visa I used to enter the country expired years ago. It can never be used again, but my permission to stay IN THE COUNTRY has been extended year after year.

Visa gets you across the border to an immigration officer ONLY. The immigration officer grants you permission to stay IN THE COUNTRY or extends that permission.

Yes, in immigrations offices it is often referred to as a visa (in English) ... for the same reason mommy and daddy pander to small children with simple words the children will understand.

Edited November 24, 2014 by Suradit69

[Suradit69]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Don't be so picky. Everyone knows what is meant.

In this case yes, In other cases people have discovered it is more than a petty semantic distinction, to their cost.

Edited November 24, 2014 by Suradit69

[smotherb]

The account needs to in your name only. Some offices will allow a joint account showing 1.6 million for married couples.

You can make 90 day reports at any office as long as you have a local address to put on the TM47 form. You could also mail your reports to Pattaya.

Does a couple piggy-backing a retirement extension based on income require B130k income?

[Naaling]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Does it really matter what you call it???

and a 'million times' in only 800 plus posts impressive!!! and boring.

Yes! It matters. The constant use of inappropriate terms is what leads to the constant confusion and constant repetition of previously asked and answered questions. That and and a staunch refusal to use the forum search function.

The problem stems from the fact that there are 2 types of visas that can be used for retirement - the "O" and "OA". Although they have different rules they are both visas and can both be extended. One is not a visa and the other an extension. It would seem that the "constant confusion and repetition" concerning this subject stems from the use of "inappropriate terms" by self proclaimed experts on this forum. A fact that can only be exacerbated by use of the forum search function.

[Mario2008]

The account needs to in your name only. Some offices will allow a joint account showing 1.6 million for married couples.

You can make 90 day reports at any office as long as you have a local address to put on the TM47 form. You could also mail your reports to Pattaya.

Does a couple piggy-backing a retirement extension based on income require B130k income?

Only 65,000 baht would be needed, as only one of the couple needs to meet the requirements for the extension and the other spouse is a dependent.

[steve187]

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As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

Don't be so picky. Everyone knows what is meant.

In this case yes, In other cases people have discovered it is more than a petty semantic distinction, to their cost.

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[Naaling]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

This is completely silly!

If Its not a visa but an extension, then what is it an extension of? Isn't it an extension of a VISA? Is it possible to get an extension without a visa?

The extension keeps the original visa valid, so you are still on a VISA. The extension stamps in your passport do not stand by themselves. They all refer back to the original visa.

"If Its not a visa but an extension, then what is it an extension of? Isn't it an extension of a VISA?"

No it is not an extension of a visa. The expiration date on the visa never is changed. When you enter the country you are given a stamp in your passport that details how long you may stay in Thailand. That is a permission to stay. When you get an extension, it is an extension of stay. If you think an extension is an extension of your visa, I suggest a test. Exit the country and come back, as some people on an extension have done. Surprise, surprise, you don't have a visa. Unless you got a re-entry permit to act as a visa, the extension will have gone up in smoke and you'd find yourself here on a visa exempt entry.

Some people who have been unable to fathom that difference and think the extension of stay preserves their visa have done just that. The crossed a border and returned to find themselves with a visa exempt entry, no visa and no more extension of stay. Then they sputter and say but immigrations extended my visa for a year. No they didn't.

The visa I used to enter the country expired years ago. It can never be used again, but my permission to stay IN THE COUNTRY has been extended year after year.

Visa gets you across the border to an immigration officer ONLY. The immigration officer grants you permission to stay IN THE COUNTRY or extends that permission.

Yes, in immigrations offices it is often referred to as a visa (in English) ... for the same reason mommy and daddy pander to small children with simple words the children will understand.

Two questions

1. If its not the extension of a visa then what is it and extension of? Why use the term "Extension" The expiration date of the visa changes when you get an extension - that's why its called an extension.

2. Can you name any visa that is not automatically ended by leaving the country,without a re-entry permit? Why would what you call an extension be any different?

[Strangebrew]

It has to do with pecking order here Extension of permission to stay based on retirement instead of knucklehead working cause they can't find job in own country, or ATM tourist here to be ripped off by locals. Or criminalizes in hiding till there payments stop due to lack of crimes to commit. Then there is the golden ticket visa just pay 2.5 million baht get 5 years renewable no reporting every 90 days but must extend every year for 20,000 baht. I call that the Willie &lt;deleted&gt; Visa. Then we have the over stay special visa The holier than thou visa. What me report hell no That's for the other low life's. They stay as long as there luck holds out then pay 20,000 baht at airport before leaving and start all over again. Just So confusing

[Jingthing]

The terminology matters largely to distinguish the O-A visa (obtained only from home countries) from annual retirement extensions done in Thailand. If someone just says "retirement visa" and nothing else there is really no way to know which of those they are talking about, and without knowing, it is impossible to give accurate advice. Thai immigration does not issue O-A visas so they don't care about that problem. But HERE we cover a much wider territory than they do.

Also some people call O visas that aren't O-As retirement visas if they are later used to begin the annual retirement extension process. Such O visas can even be obtained in Thailand via CONVERSIONS from tourist visas or entry stamps.

So you see for our purposes HERE, it is important and useful to be as precise as possible with terminology. Otherwise, we waste way too much time on trying to figure out exactly what people are really talking about, because the advice will be very different depending on that.

Edited November 24, 2014 by Jingthing

[Mario2008]

1. It is an extension of stay.

2. All multiple entry visas remains valid to use again to enter Thailand when you leave, provided the visa itself has not expired.

[Lite Beer]

Using the correct terminology is not pedantic and is vital when expecting correct advise.

As someone who has been reading these pages for 8 years I see countless occasions when people receive the wrong advise because they gave the wrong information to start with.

An Extension is not a Visa.

A Visa on Arrival is not a Visa Exempt Entry.

A 90 Day Report is not a 90 Day Extension.

etc. etc.

Sometimes a whole page is wasted just trying to find out what the questioner actually does have in his passport.

[Naaling]

1. It is an extension of stay.

2. All multiple entry visas remains valid to use again to enter Thailand when you leave, provided the visa itself has not expired.

Based on what?

It is illegal to be in Thailand without an appropriate visa or visa exemption. If an extension of stay is not a visa, then all retirees living here must be illegal when their original visa expires. Of course in reality the original visa does not expire, because its kept alive by the extensions.

That's not what we are talking about - and you know it!

Edited November 24, 2014 by ubonjoe
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[Jingthing]

Gosh I love reading crotchety old buggers arguing over semantics!!! I am here on a retirement.... hmmm... stamp.... You kids stay off of my lawn!

Yeah, whatever ...

I think you are confusing this quite serious visa advice forum from Farang Pub.

[ubonjoe]

1. It is an extension of stay.

2. All multiple entry visas remains valid to use again to enter Thailand when you leave, provided the visa itself has not expired.

Based on what?

It is illegal to be in Thailand without an appropriate visa or visa exemption. If an extension of stay is not a visa, then all retirees living here must be illegal when their original visa expires. Of course in reality the original visa does not expire, because its kept alive by the extensions.

That's not what we are talking about - and you know it!

A visa only allows you to enter the country and get a permit to stay that is allowed by it. Once you are in the country you are on a permit to stay not a visa. You can then extend that permit to stay.

He was saying that the only visa that remains valid after you enter the country is a multiple entry visa.

[Hedghog]

Thank you!

I will ask the Pattaya Immigration how to do it by mail.

In your original post.

Before everyone got carried away.

You mentioned new retirement visa.

Presuming it is the extension of stay for retirement,you can not apply by post for the yearly extension,as stated on the TM 7(Must be applied for in person.)

Some offices allow subsequent 90 day reports to be made by post.

Thus ask about 90 day reporting by post,after you have gained your extension.

[soisanuk]

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs website describes the difference between Visa validity and period of stay -

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/123/15405-General-information.html

7. Please note that the period of visa validity is different from the period of stay. Visa validity is the period during which a visa can be used to enter Thailand. In general, the validity of a visa is 3 months, but in some cases, visas may be issued to be valid for 6 months, 1 year or 3 years. The validity of a visa is granted with discretion by the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General and is displayed on the visa sticker.

8. On the other hand, the period of stay is granted by an immigration officer upon arrival at the port of entry and in accordance with the type of visa. For example, the period of stay for a transit visa is not exceeding 30 days, for a tourist visa is not exceeding 60 days and for a non-immigrant visa is not exceeding 90 days from the arrival date. The period of stay granted by the immigration officer is displayed on the arrival stamp. Travellers who wish to stay longer than such period may apply for extension of stay at offices of the Immigration Bureau in Bangkok, located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889 or at an Immigration office located in the provinces. For information on application for extension of stay, see the Immigration Bureau website at www.immigration.go.th

9. Foreigners entering Thailand are not permitted to work, regardless of their types of visa, unless they are granted a work permit. Those who intend to work in Thailand must hold the correct type of visa to be eligible to apply for a work permit. Information on Work Permit applications could be obtained from the website of the Office of Foreign Workers Administration, Department of Employment, Ministry of Labour at www.doe.go.th/workpermit/index.html

10. Royal Thai Embassies and Royal Thai Consulates-General have the authority to issue visas to foreigners for travel to Thailand. The authority to permit entry and stay in Thailand, however, is with the immigration officers. In some cases, the immigration officer may not permit foreigner holding a valid visa entry into Thailand should the immigration officer find reason to believe that he or she falls into the category of aliens prohibited from entering Thailand under the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).

[Estrada]

As must have been said about a million times it is NOT a visa! You have a retirement extension, read the stamp in your passport!

He did not say that he had a retirement visa. He said he was going to do a new one with no other details. If he is returning to Thailand on a tourist permission to stay 30 days, then he has to go to Immigration and get an O Visa in country on the basis of retirement. He has to show B800,000 in a Thai bank acount in his name and then they will give him a 90 day permission to stay and ask him to come back after around 60 days so that they can check that the B800,000 is still in his account. They will then issue an extension to bring the permission to stay up to 1 year. It is important not to confuse the issue by jumping to conclusions.

I also point out, as per my own "New Retirement Visa", that the Visa is stamped in Thai, "Non "O" on the basis of staying here on the basis of retirement" They then issue you with an entry stamp with date of entry and admitted to date, even though you have not entered the country using this visa.