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BANGKOK: -- Thailand’s corruption perception index improves this year with ranking moving up from 102nd place last year to 85th place and score rising to 38 from 35.

But the country still remains among two-thirds of 175 countries with score below 50, on a scale from 0 (perceived to be highly corrupt) to 100 (perceived to be very clean).

Juree VichitVadakan, secretary-general of Transparency International’s Thailand chapter, said Wednesday that Thailand was ranked 16th out of the 28 countries in the AsiaPacific region.

In Asean, only Singapore and Malaysia are ahead of Thailand, the officer said.

Commenting on this year’s ranking for Thailand, National Anti-Corruption Commission is satisfied with the latest result and believes the country could improve to 50th place in 2017.

According to the 20th edition of the Corruption Perceptions Index released by Transparency International, a global civil society organization leading the fight against corruption, Denmark comes out on top in 2014 with a score of 92 while North Korea and Somalia share last place, scoring just eight.

Scores for China (with a score of 36 out of 100), Turkey (45) and Angola (19) were among the biggest fallers with a drop of 4 or 5 points, despite average economic growth of more than 4 per cent over the last four years.

The biggest improvers were Côte d´Ivoire, Egypt, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (+5), Afghanistan, Jordan, Mali and Swaziland (+4).

The 2014 Corruption Perceptions Index shows that economic growth is undermined and efforts to stop corruption fade when leaders and high level officials abuse power to appropriate public funds for personal gain,” said José Ugaz, the chair of Transparency International.

“Corrupt officials smuggle ill-gotten assets into safe havens through offshore companies with absolute impunity,” Ugaz added. “Countries at the bottom need to adopt radical anti-corruption measures in favour of their people. Countries at the top of the index should make sure they don’t export corrupt practices to underdeveloped countries.”

The Corruption Perceptions Index is based on expert opinions of public sector corruption. Countries’ scores can be helped by open government where the public can hold leaders to account, while a poor score is a sign of prevalent bribery, lack of punishment for corruption and public institutions that don’t respond to citizens’ needs.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailands-corruption-perception-index-recovers

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-- Thai PBS 2014-12-04

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It seems that Thailand's ranking changes with changes in government and not with the people. The government can set a tone of 'no tolerance for corruption', 'some restrained corruption allowed', and 'everybody get what they can while they can'. Corruption perception got worse when the even more corrupt Yingluck government took over from the very corrupt Democrat government, and now the perception has gotten better under the seemingly less corrupt Junta. The perception was greatly helped by the things people can see every day: cleaning encroaching vendors off the beaches, getting war-weapons off the street, getting mafia out of taxi motorcycles, cleaning the Hi-So squatters out of the national forests, and the arresting of a very high-level police corruption gang. With a few more years, the Junta should be able to remake the police and design a 'parliamentary dictatorship' proof constitution. Take all the time you need Mr. PM, and do it right this time. You have my support as long as you behave ethically.

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With corruption scale going from 0 (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean) and considering minor rating variations from year to year, Thailand's score of 38 leaves it plenty of room for corruption fighting and also indicates it will have a very l.....o.....n......g fight to get corruption under control. Corruption just seems to be considered a social norm in Thailand.

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The score didn't rise, it fell from. It went from 38 to 35, which means that Thailand is perceived as being more corrupt in 2014 than in 2013.

Read the story again, it rose from 35 in 2013 to 38 in 2014, which means their score improved a little (a little less corrupt). A lower score is more corrupt than a higher score....a score of zero means very corrupt and a score of 100 means very clean.

BANGKOK: -- Thailand’s corruption perception index improves this year with ranking moving up from 102nd place last year to 85th place and score rising to 38 from 35.

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I saw this as a side head line on the Bangkok Post home page. The main headline is of the two poor Burmese boys off to get stitched up in court today. The government maybe different and a perceived 'clean up' going on. But in reality not much has changed. Maybe the went up a few places because the rice scheme got shelved. You can still pay your way out of murder though whistling.gif

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Again it’s not something to be proud of?

I wonder who does the measuring and how do they work out the scores. Different countries would have different corrupt models, I would think.

Maybe these countries should have special get togethers to discuss how to fly under the radar? Like the G8 group?

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Commenting on this year’s ranking for Thailand, National Anti-Corruption Commission is satisfied with the latest result and believes the country could improve to 50th place in 2017.

Sounds like someone is expecting a mass suicide in the country in the years to come.

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

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The soundbite in the article above is misleading. "Only two nations are ahead of Thailand". Thailand tied the Philippines, Brunei is not listed, and the two nations scoring ahead of Thailand topped their score by 23% (Malaysia) or doubled their score (Singapore). Since there are ten nations in ASEAN, it means Thailand is teetering on the verge of the lower half altogether.

The Corruption Perception Index's definition of corruption is "The organization defines corruption as the abuse of entrusted power for private gain which eventually hurts everyone who depends on the integrity of people in a position of authority." I do not trust Transparency International's rating system at all simply because the index just coincidentally toes a line of statistics based on two things: one, how "democratic" a government is according to the West, two, subsequent countries are listed in order of precedence to their importance to NATO (so Saudi Arabia has a higher score than Costa Rica, which is a pathetic joke). It is not easy to navigate their website, and the country search feature does not work. Most hilarious is the declaration that it is a "perception index" -- meaning "well, what some important people think about such things -- not requiring evidence, just opinion and perception." The higher the number, the better the perceived score (once compiled by a hallucinating color blind lesbian on the first Monday of the month).

Thailand and the Philippines tied -- a 38. Indonesia (34), Myanmar and Cambodia (29), Vietnam (31), Laos (25) . Ahead of Thailand were Malaysia (52). and Singapore an 84 (better than any Big Bully Country). Brunei is not listed at all.

UN Security Council permanent member scores -- Great Britain,78, US,74, France,69, China,36, and Russia,27.

The whole thing reads like the transcript of a tea held by the Mutual Admiration Society.

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It's great to see these big fish being tracked down. I don't have a dog in this fight. The last govenment were rotten and I wanted them out. At the same time, I'm not a fan of the new one at all.

I still feel only certain people are being targeted. This is better than nothing of course. But I'd like to see justice and punishment for all.

You have to keep diverting peoples attention away from the real problems. This is why beauty contests sports and other attention grabbing headlines are all over the press and TV. Ebola has almost disappeared from the press. Politicians want to place you in a Hunger Games environment.

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Who cares about corruption anyway ? I am more concerned with the important issues, like life itself.

How many people have been murdered on the streets by redshirts since the military takeover ? How many farmers have committed suicide since then ?

And before Fatty is all over me like a cheap suit, I do realize there are still killings in the South since the Military took over and I would give anything to see them stop, but that problem is never going away, not in our lifetime at least, no matter who is in power.

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It's great to see these big fish being tracked down. I don't have a dog in this fight. The last govenment were rotten and I wanted them out. At the same time, I'm not a fan of the new one at all.

I still feel only certain people are being targeted. This is better than nothing of course. But I'd like to see justice and punishment for all.

You have to keep diverting peoples attention away from the real problems. This is why beauty contests sports and other attention grabbing headlines are all over the press and TV. Ebola has almost disappeared from the press. Politicians want to place you in a Hunger Games environment.

Is it hot under that tin hat ? biggrin.png

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Who cares about corruption anyway ? I am more concerned with the important issues, like life itself.

How many people have been murdered on the streets by redshirts since the military takeover ? How many farmers have committed suicide since then ?

And before Fatty is all over me like a cheap suit, I do realize there are still killings in the South since the Military took over and I would give anything to see them stop, but that problem is never going away, not in our lifetime at least, no matter who is in power.

The farmer suicides are tragic, however, in this case, they were heavily politicized. Farmer suicide has been an issue in Thailand, and all developing countries, for years. This report shows the highest suicide rate in the 1960's was the farming sector.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1132862

Were all of these related to the rice scheme as well?

Unfortunately, I'm sure there have been farmer suicides since May. But since there is no political gain to be had, they have sadly gone unreported.

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well

Heap on the praise you like on your new hero but the reality is most of the data used in the report comes from 2013 (in some cases 2012-13).

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Who cares about corruption anyway ? I am more concerned with the important issues, like life itself.

How many people have been murdered on the streets by redshirts since the military takeover ? How many farmers have committed suicide since then ?

And before Fatty is all over me like a cheap suit, I do realize there are still killings in the South since the Military took over and I would give anything to see them stop, but that problem is never going away, not in our lifetime at least, no matter who is in power.

The farmer suicides are tragic, however, in this case, they were heavily politicized. Farmer suicide has been an issue in Thailand, and all developing countries, for years. This report shows the highest suicide rate in the 1960's was the farming sector.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1132862

Were all of these related to the rice scheme as well?

Unfortunately, I'm sure there have been farmer suicides since May. But since there is no political gain to be had, they have sadly gone unreported.

Well I am sure your comment will make the families of farmers who took their own lives during the "Yingluck/rice scam era" feel much better.

That was of course what I was referring to, not suicides as far back as 50 years ago.

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Who cares about corruption anyway ? I am more concerned with the important issues, like life itself.

How many people have been murdered on the streets by redshirts since the military takeover ? How many farmers have committed suicide since then ?

And before Fatty is all over me like a cheap suit, I do realize there are still killings in the South since the Military took over and I would give anything to see them stop, but that problem is never going away, not in our lifetime at least, no matter who is in power.

The farmer suicides are tragic, however, in this case, they were heavily politicized. Farmer suicide has been an issue in Thailand, and all developing countries, for years. This report shows the highest suicide rate in the 1960's was the farming sector.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1132862

Were all of these related to the rice scheme as well?

Unfortunately, I'm sure there have been farmer suicides since May. But since there is no political gain to be had, they have sadly gone unreported.

Well I am sure your comment will make the families of farmers who took their own lives during the "Yingluck/rice scam era" feel much better.

That was of course what I was referring to, not suicides as far back as 50 years ago.

I have sympathy for those families, as well as sympathy for families of farmers who took their lives as a results of this government's policies, and every government's policies for the last 50+ years.

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The score didn't rise, it fell from. It went from 38 to 35, which means that Thailand is perceived as being more corrupt in 2014 than in 2013.

Read the story again, it rose from 35 in 2013 to 38 in 2014, which means their score improved a little (a little less corrupt). A lower score is more corrupt than a higher score....a score of zero means very corrupt and a score of 100 means very clean.

BANGKOK: -- Thailand’s corruption perception index improves this year with ranking moving up from 102nd place last year to 85th place and score rising to 38 from 35.

but is the corruption being measured, or just the perception of it?

If the majority of the population do not perceive corruption as an issue, does it make the country less corrupt or more corrupt?

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Your cherry picking bull crap does little to hid (and I notice along with the other usual "democracy is elections only" flat earthers corrupt, incompetent Thaksin lovers who ticked 'like') your negative views.

Your corrupt incompetent dictatorial loving governance lots cherry picking bull crap aside, nine of the twelve sources relate to Thailand with the other three being EU and Africa. If you are going to try to discredit the Junta's change of the landscape in Thailand then try and do your homework to save your credibility instead of the bull crap you lot spew on every thread.

The comment of yours here for example "This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards"...really. Six of the nine sources cover all of 2014 right through to August 2014 with only one of those sources going back into 2013 and then only to August 2013. The sources close offs include August 2014 (two of them), July 2014, June 2014, April 2014 and March 2014. If you cared to look at the reports then you would see that the most in-depth reporting with the wider scopes were the ones closing off later in 2014. There is a huge statistical lean of sample not only well into the Junta term but also for the early part of the year where Thaksin's proxy of the incompetent Yingluck and corrupt lawless Charlem had stepped down and the country was not being governed.

Another of your lots stupidity..."Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government." Really...care to explain the numbers in 2013 which are solely the responsibility of the Yingluck / Charlem corrupt, lawless and incompetence governance. That’s right that 2013 number that had Thailand the most corrupt it has ever been. Right in the middle of another Thaksin proxy period of governance Thailand sank to its lowest cess pot position.

On the back of those numbers as it was when the people’s court convicted fugitive criminal was also governing the corruption index for Thailand trends to higher level of corruption every time him and his proxies are in government.

If you are going to shoot down the Junta's actions then do with credible evidence not the garbage attempts of credit being given to Thaksin and his proxies. A 12 year old school pupil analysing that data could figure out that Thaksin and his proxies have been the most corrupt, incompetent and lawless pack of thugs and criminals that have been governing Thailand since 2001 at least, when his thugs saw that the "madam who borrowed servants names to hid billions" judges were threatened away from judicial correctness. I for the life of me cannot figure out what you and your lots excuses are.

It is unbelievable some of the garbage that is posted on here on something as serious as Thailand's governance.

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This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Your cherry picking bull crap does little to hid (and I notice along with the other usual "democracy is elections only" flat earthers corrupt, incompetent Thaksin lovers who ticked 'like') your negative views.

Your corrupt incompetent dictatorial loving governance lots cherry picking bull crap aside, nine of the twelve sources relate to Thailand with the other three being EU and Africa. If you are going to try to discredit the Junta's change of the landscape in Thailand then try and do your homework to save your credibility instead of the bull crap you lot spew on every thread.

The comment of yours here for example "This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards"...really. Six of the nine sources cover all of 2014 right through to August 2014 with only one of those sources going back into 2013 and then only to August 2013. The sources close offs include August 2014 (two of them), July 2014, June 2014, April 2014 and March 2014. If you cared to look at the reports then you would see that the most in-depth reporting with the wider scopes were the ones closing off later in 2014. There is a huge statistical lean of sample not only well into the Junta term but also for the early part of the year where Thaksin's proxy of the incompetent Yingluck and corrupt lawless Charlem had stepped down and the country was not being governed.

Another of your lots stupidity..."Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government." Really...care to explain the numbers in 2013 which are solely the responsibility of the Yingluck / Charlem corrupt, lawless and incompetence governance. That’s right that 2013 number that had Thailand the most corrupt it has ever been. Right in the middle of another Thaksin proxy period of governance Thailand sank to its lowest cess pot position.

On the back of those numbers as it was when the people’s court convicted fugitive criminal was also governing the corruption index for Thailand trends to higher level of corruption every time him and his proxies are in government.

If you are going to shoot down the Junta's actions then do with credible evidence not the garbage attempts of credit being given to Thaksin and his proxies. A 12 year old school pupil analysing that data could figure out that Thaksin and his proxies have been the most corrupt, incompetent and lawless pack of thugs and criminals that have been governing Thailand since 2001 at least, when his thugs saw that the "madam who borrowed servants names to hid billions" judges were threatened away from judicial correctness. I for the life of me cannot figure out what you and your lots excuses are.

It is unbelievable some of the garbage that is posted on here on something as serious as Thailand's governance.

Any perception attributed to the junta would be for the cosmetic and ultimately futile attempts to clean up the beaches. The business of corruption in thailand continues as usual.

But the cosmetic changes are usually enough to pull the wool over the eyes of goose-stepping facists smitten with a junta government.

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