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I remember reading about a 'British' attach on the railway station that led to many civilian deaths. Possibly my memory or the report I read are inaccurate. Does anyone else know about this British raid.

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I remember reading about a 'British' attach on the railway station that led to many civilian deaths. Possibly my memory or the report I read are inaccurate. Does anyone else know about this British raid.

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I'm trying to get information on the railway station raid, but so far without much success.

I don't know whether the RAF were involved or not. At this point I don't even know the date it took place, other than that it must have been after the March 24th 1942 airfield raid, because that was the first air strike on Chiang Mai.

Tomorrow morning I will post the second, and concluding part of this topic insofar as it relates to the airfield attack. If I can come up with some credible sources of information about the raid on the station I will post it as a separate topic. I only know that 300+ people were killed - presumably Japanese soldiers and Thai civilians. Also that the military goods trains were running again within a few days.

I appreciate you bringing up this point because it may lead to some references to information of interest.

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My friend Roy, had a long talk over a glass or two in the Gymkhana Club with 'Tex' (I think ) following the visit by the survivors to the Foreign Cemetery a few years ago.

I can contact him and was down his house today, however he is not in the best of health at 94-95 and I would not like to disturb him without a reason.

If there is a serious question I will go see him after speaking via the net.

john

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My friend Roy, had a long talk over a glass or two in the Gymkhana Club with 'Tex' (I think ) following the visit by the survivors to the Foreign Cemetery a few years ago.

I can contact him and was down his house today, however he is not in the best of health at 94-95 and I would not like to disturb him without a reason.

If there is a serious question I will go see him after speaking via the net.

john

Thanks for the input.

I'll get back to you about this shortly.

Posted

I remember reading about a 'British' attach on the railway station that led to many civilian deaths. Possibly my memory or the report I read are inaccurate. Does anyone else know about this British raid.

PS

love these posts.

Apparently it was part of the same Flying Tigers raid according to this wikipedia snip -

On 24 March 1942, the aircraft took off in darkness from Nam Sang and by 06:30 all were en route to Chiang Mai. Newkirk's part of the mission was to lead his flight past Chiang Mai to Lampang and, if no targets could be found there, return to help with the main raid on Chiang Mai. Arriving ahead of the main force over Chiain Mai, Newkirk's flight of four aircraft strafed the main railway depot in passing and then continued towards Lampang, approximately 45 miles (72 km) to the southeast.[1]

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Lamphun crash site

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Newkirk's aircraft crashed in a ball of flame and he was killed instantly close to Lamphun. It was believed at the time that Newkirk's aircraft was hit by ground fire.[1][29][5] Later investigations, including discussions with eyewitnesses, raised the possibility that Newkirk may have inadvertently hit a tree.[1] His body was thrown clear of the wreckage and landed in a paddy field. He was buried locally by the Japanese.[1][30]

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My friend Roy, had a long talk over a glass or two in the Gymkhana Club with 'Tex' (I think ) following the visit by the survivors to the Foreign Cemetery a few years ago.

I can contact him and was down his house today, however he is not in the best of health at 94-95 and I would not like to disturb him without a reason.

If there is a serious question I will go see him after speaking via the net.

john

Roy Hudson?

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You have taken on the worthy task of presenting a condensed history of the Flying Tigers' attack on Chiang Mai. The problem with a condensation, of course, is what detail to keep, what to compress, and what simply to discard.

I also am working on a history of WWII here in northwest Thailand, but it's not to be condensed (and it's slow going). In that process, I have come to have the greatest of confidence in Dan Ford's presentation in his book, Flying Tigers, which you note; and I reference him below when applicable.

You note that the name "Flying Tigers" was given by the Nationalist Chinese. Ford closes a review of the name's source with "Over the years, journalists and historians have tried to find a source for the name in China, but its derivation is less exotic: the Tigers were christened by a well-paid suit in Washington". He was referring to the so-called "Washington Squadron", the backoffice support in Washington DC (Ford: p 107).

You write: ". . . Flying out of Kunming . . . they overnighted and refueled at Namsang in Burma . . . A final refueling stop was made at a jungle airstrip near the Thai border". It was a bit more complicated than that. After departing Kunming, they touched down at Loiwing where a CAMCO factory was located; unfortunately services there were a bit helter-skelter and the fighters were delayed 24 hours, to finally take off for Namsang where they also overnighted (Ford, pp 241-243).

There were actually two separate squadrons in the attack on Chiang Mai and, in the early morning departure from Namsang, the first group in the air, led by Jack Newkirk, didn't wait for the second group, but headed straight for Chiang Mai. Having left Namsang first, Newkirk's group arrived in Chiang Mai first and unaccountably strafed the rail station. Unaccountably because the group's target was Lampang, not Chiang Mai. Plus the strafing of the rail station alerted the airfield that enemy fighters were in the area. The arrival just a few minutes later of the second group of Flying Tigers, whose designated target was in fact the Chiang Mai airstrip, had therefore been deprived of the "element of surprise" (see Ford, p 243).

So while you accurately quote Bond "it was clear we had caught them flat-footed without any warning", that wasn't actually the case. I've talked with a friend of a friend who participated in the defense of the airstrip that morning: that friend of a friend, a member of the Royal Thai Army, was in charge of an antiaircraft battery at midfield and he was in position when Bond, et al, attacked, and he claims to have put a round into one of the strafing aircraft (but not McGarry's, of course, which was at altitude, flying cover).

I'm not sure what I-97 refers to with regard to IJAAF aircraft at the field: yes, the 64th Sentai was there, led by the legendary Kato, about whom movies were later made. The unit was flying Ki-43s, or Hayabusas; aka, the "Army Zero". Only three were write-offs as a result of the attack; those plus one "werewolf" Hurricane which had been captured in the Dutch East Indies (Ford, p 246).

Regarding how Newkirk's squadron "broke formation to follow the railway line [south]", he didn't break formation: he never joined with the other squadron in its attack on the airfield --- which was not his assignment; but he did head south, after strafing the rail station, following the railroad track towards his assigned target (Ford, p 243).

To this point in your presentation, I have only specifically researched in detail one subject you mention, the location of Loiwing --- a complicated and misunderstood topic. See discussion on Dan Ford's website, Loiwing and on my site, Locating Loiwing.

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My friend Roy, had a long talk over a glass or two in the Gymkhana Club with 'Tex' (I think ) following the visit by the survivors to the Foreign Cemetery a few years ago.

I can contact him and was down his house today, however he is not in the best of health at 94-95 and I would not like to disturb him without a reason.

If there is a serious question I will go see him after speaking via the net.

john

Thanks for the input.

I'll get back to you about this shortly.

I wonder if the "Tex" you refer to is the Tex Hill of the Flying Tigers?

In May 1942 at what has come to be known as the Battle of Salween Gorge, eight Tomahawk P-40's led by Tex Hill stopped the advance into China of the Japanese 56th Red Dragon Division. After four days of almost continual dive bombing and strafing, the armoured column - or what was left of it - retreated with losses estimated at 4500 men.

If it is indeed Tex Hill here in Chiang Mai, it would validate MacArthur's famous quote: "Old soldiers never die - they just fade away."

Posted

You have taken on the worthy task of presenting a condensed history of the Flying Tigers' attack on Chiang Mai. The problem with a condensation, of course, is what detail to keep, what to compress, and what simply to discard.

I also am working on a history of WWII here in northwest Thailand, but it's not to be condensed (and it's slow going). In that process, I have come to have the greatest of confidence in Dan Ford's presentation in his book, Flying Tigers, which you note; and I reference him below when applicable.

You note that the name "Flying Tigers" was given by the Nationalist Chinese. Ford closes a review of the name's source with "Over the years, journalists and historians have tried to find a source for the name in China, but its derivation is less exotic: the Tigers were christened by a well-paid suit in Washington". He was referring to the so-called "Washington Squadron", the backoffice support in Washington DC (Ford: p 107).

You write: ". . . Flying out of Kunming . . . they overnighted and refueled at Namsang in Burma . . . A final refueling stop was made at a jungle airstrip near the Thai border". It was a bit more complicated than that. After departing Kunming, they touched down at Loiwing where a CAMCO factory was located; unfortunately services there were a bit helter-skelter and the fighters were delayed 24 hours, to finally take off for Namsang where they also overnighted (Ford, pp 241-243).

There were actually two separate squadrons in the attack on Chiang Mai and, in the early morning departure from Namsang, the first group in the air, led by Jack Newkirk, didn't wait for the second group, but headed straight for Chiang Mai. Having left Namsang first, Newkirk's group arrived in Chiang Mai first and unaccountably strafed the rail station. Unaccountably because the group's target was Lampang, not Chiang Mai. Plus the strafing of the rail station alerted the airfield that enemy fighters were in the area. The arrival just a few minutes later of the second group of Flying Tigers, whose designated target was in fact the Chiang Mai airstrip, had therefore been deprived of the "element of surprise" (see Ford, p 243).

So while you accurately quote Bond "it was clear we had caught them flat-footed without any warning", that wasn't actually the case. I've talked with a friend of a friend who participated in the defense of the airstrip that morning: that friend of a friend, a member of the Royal Thai Army, was in charge of an antiaircraft battery at midfield and he was in position when Bond, et al, attacked, and he claims to have put a round into one of the strafing aircraft (but not McGarry's, of course, which was at altitude, flying cover).

I'm not sure what I-97 refers to with regard to IJAAF aircraft at the field: yes, the 64th Sentai was there, led by the legendary Kato, about whom movies were later made. The unit was flying Ki-43s, or Hayabusas; aka, the "Army Zero". Only three were write-offs as a result of the attack; those plus one "werewolf" Hurricane which had been captured in the Dutch East Indies (Ford, p 246).

Regarding how Newkirk's squadron "broke formation to follow the railway line [south]", he didn't break formation: he never joined with the other squadron in its attack on the airfield --- which was not his assignment; but he did head south, after strafing the rail station, following the railroad track towards his assigned target (Ford, p 243).

To this point in your presentation, I have only specifically researched in detail one subject you mention, the location of Loiwing --- a complicated and misunderstood topic. See discussion on Dan Ford's website, Loiwing and on my site, Locating Loiwing.

Thanks for pointing out some corrections based on your sources. Trying to make sense out of conflicting stories - often by eyewitnesses - is what makes history writing so interesting, and at times frustrating.

In my final part of this topic, which I hope to post tomorrow, I hope you will find time to comment.

Posted

Some more info here - Aces High

This pdf article is more about what occurred in Lampang with some references to Chiang Mai but still interesting. Lampang during WWII.pdf

The Lampang article was new to me and I appreciate you mentioning it.

The Aces High was one of the sources that I used for the second part of the topic. There is a lot of good - and presumably accurate - information in it.

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The attack on the Chiang Mai rail station.

From a Wisarut Bholsithi post on 2bangkok blog: WWII bombardment of Thai railways: post 57, 30-10-08, 02:40 PM:

21 Dec 1943: 29-14th AF B-24 bombers bombed Chiang Mai station at 1500 - nearly wiping out station yard. Station building and cargo depots were damaged beyond repair - 300 people were killed.

From the USAAF Chrono:

29 B-24's pound the railroad yards at Chiang Mai; the warehouse area along the W side of the yards suffers very heavy damage.

From Edward Young, Aerial Nationalism, p 201:

"On 21 December, twenty-nine B-24s flew an unescorted daylight raid to the marshaling yards at Chiang Mai. Neither the Japanese nor the Thais appeared to have any warning of the attack, as there was no antiaircraft fire and no interceptions."

From Boonserm Satrabhaya, Chiang Mai and its Aerial History (translated):

At 1500 hrs on 21 December 1943, nine Liberators of the American Air Force from Kunming, China bombed the railway, buildings, warehouses, a huge rice barn, houses, and Japanese weapon stores in Chiang Mai. 300 people, Japanese soldiers and railway employees died and others were injured. Thai and Japanese anti-aircraft defenses were not effective because of their high altitude. This was the most serious bombing of Chiang Mai. The nine aircraft continued south after the attack

The bomb that exploded farthest from the target --- this in the days long before laser-guided armament --- fell on the grounds of a rice mill on the east side of Tung Hotel Road, opposite the Water Works I office, well north of the rail station. The crater was visible as late as 2009 when I went there with Boonserm Satrabhaya, a local photographer and historian emeritus. I think the crater has since fallen victim to local development.

There is an unfortunate irony to the attack on the Chiang Mai rail station. It probably resulted from a misinterpretation by Allied Intel, based on an Imperial Japanese Army failed attempt to construct a road from Chiang Mai to Toungoo in Burma; this to support its attempt to invade India via Imphal and Kohima. It's a torturous, detailed, convoluted scenario to retrace, involving IJA troops heading not towards Burma, but rather to Lampang; It's easier to explain in my recounting here: Misinterpretation.

Several years ago, wandering around the area across the road from the Gymkhana Club, in the wat next to Dang's Bakery (and I'm surprised to see that my trusty Nancy Chandlers' map doesn't name it), my wife (my trustworthy translator) and I met an ancient fellow who remembered the attack, but with nothing new to add; except that some years later, and not so long ago, an unexploded bomb, a legacy of the attack on the rail station, had been unearthed. Dealing properly with that resulted in a temporary evacuation of a fair portion of the town. It was removed, uneventfully. I've yet to research that. That might be something that Roy could shed some light on.

With regard to participation by the RAF, at this point, I can't respond. The use of B-24s implies the USAAF 10AF, based in India, which had both USAAF and RAF (and various Commonwealth) units under its command.

I have more, but this is what comes to mind. As I implied in my previous comment, I will eventually present all this on my website Japan in Northwest Thailand during WWII --- as time allows.

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I think Seri Thai Movement would have lots to add to the history. I don't know if it is recorded in full anywhere.

There is a privately owned Seri Thai Museum in Phrae. Apparently there was vigorous resistance to the Japanese in that area.

The Seri Thai helped a few Allied airmen, soldiers and/or operatives elude or escape during the time Japanese military were in Thailand.

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Posted

Very interesting and important history.

Changing sides a bit, does anybody have any info on the Japanese casualties in N. Thailand, as they fled Burma ??

I've heard figures of 40 to 80,000 died in the North trying to escape Burma and get south.

Could this be true ??

Posted

I think Seri Thai Movement would have lots to add to the history. I don't know if it is recorded in full anywhere.

There is a privately owned Seri Thai Museum in Phrae. Apparently there was vigorous resistance to the Japanese in that area.

The Seri Thai helped a few Allied airmen, soldiers and/or operatives elude or escape during the time Japanese military were in Thailand.

Wiriyawit, Wimon, Free Thai: Personal Recollections and Official Documents, White Lotus Press, 1997 ISBN 974-8496-90-2 White Lotus Co., Ltd.; Bangkok

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Japanese war dead in Thailand. See my writeup on the war memorial at Ban Kat. By Japanese veterans' count, the total for India, Burma, and Thailand is said to be around 190,000. What the distribution might be amongst the three, I'm not sure right now. Their travails are the basis for the "Trails of Bones", "Skeleton Roads", and the like (titles translated), stories by various Japanese; and, in the West, eg, Fergal Keane's Road of Bones. The one individual in the Japanese command responsible for that carnage was Lt Gen Renya Mutaguchi. And he skated.

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Too the best of my knowledge it was Tex Hill who was visiting CM with the remaining, still mobile, Flying Tigers, in conversation with Roy Hudson, Gymkhana Club post ceremony in Frang Cemetery.

john

Long Story best told by Roy, if his health permits.

Posted

And a more mundane question: does anyone know from what document the "Chapter V" pdf file came? Its review of air operations (pp 192-193) is unsettlingly misleading. I'll provide clarifications in a later post.

If you Google search Honbun Lampang you will see links to dspace.wul.waseda.ac.jp and the other chapters. I'm curious as to your follow up information as those pages you mention have most points cited with references to their original documents. Of course Honbun is Japanese for document so don't know if there is a bias in it.

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Comments follow on your offering today. By the way, if you disagree with anything, please say so --- I'm subject to error myself. Truth is unfortunately a quicksilver thing.

Best wishes for early publication and success with your book.

I will look forward to reading it, as I am sure will others who share my interest in the history of Thailand during WWII.

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