Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[loonodingle]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

Oh what a peachy world some people live in.

The suspect/witness gave his excuse and then was allowed to leave without any Investigations.

The Taxi man who makes up a jackanory. God knows why maybe he used to hang out with the druggie who named the suspects....... Yes that's it isn't it.. they used the same weed so it must be lies and more damn lies...lol..

I have provided information to assist Reprieve and had discussions with the Case officer at Norfolk coroners amongst many many things, As for dislike of the RTP perhaps you can quote me?

I have no definitive answer on the guilt of the 2 suspects. I have major concerns on the investigation. Only a thorough investigations void of interference by interested parties will suffice IMHO.

I am not banging a drum for the B2.... But I am banging a drum for David and Hannah along with their families and the families of the 2 suspects who equally deserve justice and transparency.

None of us have the full facts and I think you will see some explosive revelations at the trial. Ones that will knock some peoples version right of the rails.

[rockingrobin]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

JD have you heard of logical fallacy

[jdinasia]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

JD have you heard of logical fallacy

Yes. If you are asserting I am using one in the post above, please enlighten me as to what it is.

[StealthEnergiser]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

What evidence do you have to say the taxi driver is not telling the truth ?

[loonodingle]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

What evidence do you have to say the taxi driver is not telling the truth ?

Zero.... a big FAT 0...

Zilch.... nuffin... not an ounce accept her blinkered evaluation of the situation.

Personally I wouldn't expect anyone to make up trumped against the RTP. The Thai's are loathed to say anything about anything so he is obviously very scared and thought better out in the open before he ends up in a ditch perhaps. We know how it works don't we...... Well some of us do.

[jdinasia]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

What evidence do you have to say the taxi driver is not telling the truth ?

Zero.... a big FAT 0...

Zilch.... nuffin... not an ounce accept her blinkered evaluation of the situation.

Personally I wouldn't expect anyone to make up trumped against the RTP. The Thai's are loathed to say anything about anything so he is obviously very scared and thought better out in the open before he ends up in a ditch perhaps. We know how it works don't we...... Well some of us do.

What evidence do you have that he was telling the truth?

None... Blah blah blah

Feel free to read my post. It is based on claims made by posters in these threads about the power of the people that the posters want to be involved. Is it proof? Nope.

Are your claims proof? Nope.

BTW your non-answer to my direct question is duly noted.

[rockingrobin]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

What evidence do you have to say the taxi driver is not telling the truth ?

Zero.... a big FAT 0...

Zilch.... nuffin... not an ounce accept her blinkered evaluation of the situation.

Personally I wouldn't expect anyone to make up trumped against the RTP. The Thai's are loathed to say anything about anything so he is obviously very scared and thought better out in the open before he ends up in a ditch perhaps. We know how it works don't we...... Well some of us do.

What evidence do you have that he was telling the truth?

None... Blah blah blah

Feel free to read my post. It is based on claims made by posters in these threads about the power of the people that the posters want to be involved. Is it proof? Nope.

Are your claims proof? Nope.

BTW your non-answer to my direct question is duly noted.

JD

you are stating that the taxi driver is ludicrous, so the onus is upon you to subdtantiate

[loonodingle]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

What evidence do you have to say the taxi driver is not telling the truth ?

Zero.... a big FAT 0...

Zilch.... nuffin... not an ounce accept her blinkered evaluation of the situation.

Personally I wouldn't expect anyone to make up trumped against the RTP. The Thai's are loathed to say anything about anything so he is obviously very scared and thought better out in the open before he ends up in a ditch perhaps. We know how it works don't we...... Well some of us do.

What evidence do you have that he was telling the truth?

None... Blah blah blah

Feel free to read my post. It is based on claims made by posters in these threads about the power of the people that the posters want to be involved. Is it proof? Nope.

Are your claims proof? Nope.

BTW your non-answer to my direct question is duly noted.

JD

you are stating that the taxi driver is ludicrous, so the onus is upon you to subdtantiate

Read the post you are replying to.

On the Basis of what your saying anything about anything should be ignored...LOL...Its just claims. Unsubstantiated claims..

I must send out an urgent email to all taxi drivers advising to carry a recorder in their pockets in order to satisfy Mrs JD conduct code.

Actually some people have done it to the police already.. not in this case but others and posted the footage. Rather hilarious.. Bang to rights. We had the same in the UK and its happened in the USA when they forget they are being filmed. Kicking the life out of people. its not just a thai thing. Theres plenty of corrupt Police and politicians so we must all be wary and not dismiss people as liars.

In fact Scotland Yard, the Met police are in the firing line this week for covering up offences. So perhaps they did learn from the same text books as the RTP.. Makes a lot of sense now that statement.

[boomerangutang]

I think the taxi driver is telling the truth. Why would he come out with such a strong accusation if it weren't true? ....for his 15 minutes of fame? For fun?

Accusing the police of wrongdoing is treading on dangerous ground, and every Thai knows that. It's interesting that immediately after the taxi driver told his story, he went and sought refuge with the headman - the safest place on the island, if you're sufficiently deferring.

Re; phone records. It would be interesting if there was disclosure by the phone company - re; who the 'people of interest' (former and current suspects, including several of the H's people) called, between the hours of 4 am and 8 am on Monday, Sept. 15, 2014. If that data exists, it's doubtful it will surface for the defense or the general public.

Last year, I had a situation where I needed CCTV data from an ATM machine. It involved a crime, so I went and made a police report. Right away, I asked to see the CCTV data. Police said, "no problem, we'll get it for you." A month later, I reminded them, and they said, "no problem, all the data goes to Bkk and we made a request, so you'll get the data." Two months later, I inquired again. The same cops said with grins, "we can't retrieve the CCTV data. After 60 days it's all erased. Sorry."

Same could happen with the phone data. It's the easiest way out, for the phone companies to simply say, "sorry. We don't have the data any more." It's a moot point, because RTP investigators don't want it made public, as it could quite possibly implicate the people they're trying to shield. 'Let sleeping dogs lie' is their mantra.

[CharlieH]

Its been said here before, lets repeat it AGAIN, dont get personal, discuss/debate the topic NOT the poster and keep it civil.

If your post disappears, you know why.

[IslandLover]

loonodingle, on 17 Mar 2015 - 13:04, said:

StealthEnergiser, on 17 Mar 2015 - 11:57, said:

jdinasia, on 17 Mar 2015 - 10:28, said:

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

What evidence do you have to say the taxi driver is not telling the truth ?

Zero.... a big FAT 0...

Zilch.... nuffin... not an ounce accept her blinkered evaluation of the situation.

Personally I wouldn't expect anyone to make up trumped against the RTP. The Thai's are loathed to say anything about anything so he is obviously very scared and thought better out in the open before he ends up in a ditch perhaps. We know how it works don't we...... Well some of us do.

Regarding the taxi driver, he was under the "protection" of a different island headman, which must have helped him somewhat in speaking out. The fact that he has been vilified for it by one of the key players in this tragedy would indicate that the taxi driver was telling the truth.

[thailandchilli]

Some Police quotes about DNA

17 Sep 2014

Coroners said Ms Witheridge had also suffered head trauma and that they had found traces of semen in her body, according to Thailand's The Nation newspaper

Prachum Ruangthong, police chief responsible for Koh Tao, said he believed a British man was the likely killer of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

Police would have closed the case by the end of the day once DNA testing on samples of hair found in Ms Witheridge's hand were concluded, he added.

"After this evening everything will become clear."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11101630/British-backpacker-was-drowned-and-beaten-to-death.html

September 17, 2014

Early reports said Witheridge may have also been the victim of a rapist before she was killed but, according to the bp, tests performed by the Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicinehave revealed she appeared to have engaged in consensual "sexual relations" before her death.

Police major general Pornchai Suteerakhun did not, however, rule out an attempted rape but said Witheridge might have fought the perpetrator off.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/koh-tao-thailand-hannah-witheridge-not-raped-david-miller-struggled-before-he-died-1465844

Sept 18 2014

BANGKOK: — Laboratory tests of the DNA found at the crime scene where two British tourists were battered to death on Koh Tao on Sunday do not match with the DNA of the suspects held in police custody, including a British national, according to well-informed sources from the National Police Office.

Evidences collected from the crime scene that were sent for tests of DNA include three cigarette butts found about 50 metres from where the two British tourists were killed.

One cigarette has lipstick mark. DNA of two people were found in the second cigarette and the DNA of a third person was found in the third cigarette butt.

However, the tests show that the DNA found in one cigarette butt match with the DNA found in the semen, said the sources.

http://news.asiainterlaw.com/koh-tao-dna-tests-match-suspects-british-tourists-murder/

Sept 18th 2014

Assistant national police chief Jarumporn Suramanee told reporters two sets of DNA that were found both on Ms Withridge's body and on a cigarette butt near the scene did not match samples taken from three foreigners and nine migrant workers who had been questioned.

DNA traces from possible suspects could not be detected on Mr Miller's body because it was smeared with his blood, he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/dna-tests-clear-suspects-of-murdering-british-tourists-in-koh-tao-thailand-20140918-10iw80.html

18 September 2014

Earlier, Col Kissana, a deputy police spokesman, had said the police had strong evidence linking migrant workers to the killings, but tests carried out on a group of Burmese migrants who were questioned after the deaths showed no DNA matches.

The migrants were arrested after bloodstains were found on some of their clothes, but Thai police said no matches were found between them and two sets of DNA found on Hannah Witheridge's body and on a cigarette butt discovered near the scene of the murders.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/thailand-murders-british-dna-match-miller-witheridge

Sep 19 2014

Thai police this morning DNA tested WOMEN to see if they were involved in the horrific murders of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

Last night, Thai police chiefs last night admitted they were no closer to catching the killer.

Detectives finally allowed brothers Chris and James Ware to return home to the UK after ruling them out as suspects in the horrific murders of Hannah, 23, and David, 24.

Police have already changed their minds twice as to whether Burmese migrants may be to blame.

And three days after the killings, they appealed for help finding three men who were playing guitar and singing.

Assistant police chief Major General Jarumporn Suramanpee insisted his officers had not “messed up”.

General Suramanpee said his staff were liaising with Scotland Yard and he did not think “it was necessary” for Met officers to join the probe.

He was reacting to ­accusations from journalists that the inquiry had descended into chaos.

He said the key to finding the killer lay in a single discarded cigarette butt which had DNA on it that matched samples from inside Hannah’s body.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-murders-desperate-police-4288032

20/09/2014

Evidence gathered from witnesses and the crime scene, including DNA traces found on cigarette butts left near the bodies, now suggests the involvement of more than two people, police say.

"From the available evidence, we believe that there were more than two attackers," Police Lieutenant General Panya Mamen was quoted as saying by Thailand's The Nation newspaper yesterday.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/dna-tests-reveal-three-killers-in-tourist-murder-inquiry-30601659.html

Sep 20, 2014

KOH TAO, Thailand (THE NATION/ASIA NEWS NETWORK) - The police will request help from the United States' Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to test semen found in the body of a female British backpacker brutally murdered on the resort island of Koh Tao this week.

DNA testing technology in Thailand could only identify whether human secretions came from a male or female, said deputy police chief Somyot Pumpunmuang, while the FBI had "sophisticated technology".

"We will ask the FBI to help identify the DNA in the semen we found - whether it belonged to an Asian or European," he said yesterday.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/thailands-police-ask-us-fbi-help-testing-semen-found-dead-british-to#sthash.xj9xuCJm.dpuf

21 Sep 2014

There are whispers of a possible altercation between Mr Miller and a Thai man, possibly one with powerful local connections, who had supposedly been harassing Ms Witheridge all evening.

Asked if an altercation had taken place, Police General Jarumporn Suramanee, Thailand's assistant national police chief, said: "I cannot say".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11111532/Thai-island-murder-investigation-hits-a-wall-of-silence.html

September 21, 2014 1:00 am

Semen and cigarette butts seen as key to finding who killed Britons on Koh Tao

Semen found on the body of one of the two British tourists murdered on Koh Tao in Surat Thani province last Sunday will be examined in a Singapore laboratory, national police chief General Somyot Poompanmoung said yesterday.

Somyot said police were trying to pinpoint how long the attackers were at the scene based on cigarettes that were discarded there. Police found, through DNA analysis, that one of the cigarette butts was smoked by two people, and semen from both men was found in the female victim's body.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/DNA-tests-will-be-done-in-Singapore-30243745.html

sept 21st

Somyot said a theory had been established about another possible weapon used in the murder apart from a blood-stained garden hoe found near the crime scene. The theory centred on the weapon being returned from where it was taken from in a hurried manner. - See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/koh-tao-murders-dna-tests-will-be-done-singapore#sthash.HgRb13Ms.dpuf

Monday 22 September 2014

Thai police are to take DNA from all the men on Koh Tao island - potentially hundreds of people - in their investigation into the murders of two Britons.

http://news.sky.com/story/1340131/hundreds-face-dna-tests-in-beach-murder-probe

September 22, 2014 14:02 BST

Police Colonel Kissana Phathanacharoen said: "We still believe sexual jealously is at the heart of this crime."

"The DNA tests reveal that the two culprits are Asians," senior police official Somyot Pumpanmuang told reporters.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/thailand-police-test-dna-every-male-koh-tao-after-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-murders-1466632

Sep 22, 2014

General Somyot Poompanmoung, Thailand's most senior police official, visited Koh Tao on Saturday vowing to do "his best" to solve the crime.

Semen found on the body of one of the two British tourists murdered on Koh Tao island in Thailand's Surat Thani province last Sunday will be examined in a Singapore laboratory, he added.

- See more at: http://www.tnp.sg/news/gang-mugs-two-british-women-thai-beach-murder-scene#sthash.EjmYfAJy.dpuf

September 23 2014

POLICE are collecting DNA samples of all people on Koh Tao, an island off Surat Thani province, in a bid to find the killers of two British tourists.

“We are getting closer to solving this case,” Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan said on Sunday. “Now, we know for sure that the culprits are Asians.”

The bodies of the two Britons were found on the island's beach early last Monday.

Evidence suggests that the female victim was sexually violated.

The Office of Police Forensic Science chief, Lt-General Kamrop Panyakaew, disclosed that a unit under his office's supervision had been assigned to collect DNA samples of all people on Koh Tao island.

This move is in addition to the collection of DNA samples from 30 suspects earlier.

“We will submit one set of DNA samples and wait for their results before collecting another set of samples. We will do this until we find the culprits,” said Colonel Chaiyasak Uakrissadathikarn, the deputy chief of the local forensic science unit.

http://www.bt.com.bn/news-asia/2014/09/23/thai-police-seek-dna-all-koh-tao-residents-hunt-murderers

September 25, 2014

Meanwhile on Thursday Pol Maj-Gen Suwat Jaengyodsuk, acting chief investigator of the Metropolitan Police Bureau (MPB), who was sent to help local police investigate the murder, said police had collected 30 DNA samples from migrant workers on the island in a bid to find clues to the murders.

So far more than 200 DNA samples were tested but none matched samples found in the body of Ms Hannah Witheridge, 23, and in a cigarette butt left near the scene

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-now-rule-koh-tao-headmans-son-murder-suspect-turn-foreign-tourists-probe

Tuesday 30 September 2014

Lieutenant General Panya Mamen, police commissioner for the island of Koh Tao, told the Bangkok Post: “Two of the suspects raped and killed Witheridge while another one witnessed the murder.

"We're confident we have a very high chance of finding the suspects."

Two different semen samples collected from her body are the basis for DNA analysis being used to test hundreds of men.

A spokesman for the Royal Thai Police confirmed that DNA samples were taken from "more than eight" footballers - who reportedly threw a late-night party at the nightclub where the victims spent their final hours - and officers were awaiting the results.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thailand-beach-murders-hannah-witheridge-was-raped-by-two-men-before-being-killed-9765137.html

October 2 2014

Lt Gen Panya, appointed assistant national police chief today, said authorities had short-listed 10 potential suspects.

“We are confident that within two or three days an arrest warrant can be issued or a wrongdoer arrested,” Lt Gen Panya said, adding that the list of 10 contained both Thais and Myanmar nationals.

“We have confidence in the forensic evidence that points to the wrongdoers, but we must be careful.”

About 300 people on the island had their DNA taken, and 10 had been at AC Bar, the last place Miller, from Jersey, and Witheridge, from Great Yarmouth, were seen alive. A bloodstained garden hoe, which is thought to be the murder weapon, was discovered nearby.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/thai-police-koh-tao-backpacker-hannah-witheridge-raped-twice-arrest-imminent/story-fnizu68q-1227077684066

6:35PM BST 02 Oct 2014

Lieutenant General Panya Mamen, of the Bangkok police said: “Two of the suspects raped and killed Witheridge while another one witnessed the murder."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11135629/Burmese-man-confesses-to-murder-of-British-backpackers-Hannah-Witheridge-and-David-Miller.html

October 3 2014

Two Myanmar suspects have confessed to killing the pair,” Thai National police chief Somyot Poompanmoung told AFP, adding their DNA matched traces found at the crime scene on Koh Tao island where David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, were found dead on September 15.

http://www.news.com.au/world/thai-police-say-two-burmese-workers-have-confessed-to-killing-british-tourists-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/story-fndir2ev-1227078390915

Oct 3, 2014

With two suspects in custody, police were gathering evidence and would seek an arrest warrant from a court, deputy national police chief Jaktip Chaijinda said. A third Myanmar citizen had been held since Thursday on suspicion of involvement, he added.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/thai-police-says-dna-match-found-koh-tao-murders-20141003#sthash.g6yjX6DF.dpuf

October 3, 2014

There was clear evidence: forensic evidence, [testimony from] witnesses and other evidence, as well as closed-circuit television footage,” Somyot told reporters. “The police and investigation teams have analyzed all evidence and it’s clear that the two suspects committed the crime on that day.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/03/bizarre-re-enactment-has-suspects-in-motorcycle-helmets-and-flak-jackets-acting-out-thailand-beach-murders/

Jonathn Head on twitter

Oct 7, 2014 - Thani police chief Somyot says 3 Thai universities involved in testing DNA of 243 people in #KohTao murder case. Pathum Wan, Bangkok.

We will not block the right of the suspects to fight the case and we can even test their DNA again if there is suspicion that they are not the culprits,” Prayuth told reporters.

“The DNA test will be conducted at 10 am on October 30,” Prawut said.

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailands-pm-allows-second-dna-test-for-koh-tao-murder-suspects.html

30/09/2014

Man says police beat him after he declined to be witness in Koh Tao murder case

A Thai man said he was beaten up by police after he turned down a police offer of reward money if he agreed to be a witness in the murder case of two British tourists in Thailand’s tourist island of Koh Tao, southern Surat Thani Province, according to ASTV-Manager online.

The report says Pornprasit Sukdam, 37, on Tuesday complained to Kobchai Saowalak, kamnan (subdistrict head) of Koh Tao Subdistrict, and asked for protection.

Pornprasit said the police detained him at 1.30 pm on Monday. During the interrogation, the police investigators asked him to agree to pretend to have knowledge of the incident, Pornprasit said. The police allegedly offered him a 700,000 baht (about 21,600 USD) reward and guaranteed him witness status. However, since he was not involved with the crime and did not have any knowledge related to it, Pornprasit declined the police offer.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4373

Myanmar investigators say accused workers are innocent of murdering British tourists in Thailand

Posted 18 Dec 2014, 10:36pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-18/myanmar-workers-did-not-kill-uk-tourists-thailand-investigators/5977726

Just thought I'd bump this one from Stealthenergiser as its a great reference to some early reports including the taxi driver.

Yes after this event the taxi driver received a few words on a public facebook post from a very key figure in this case

[boomerangutang]

jdinasia, on 17 Mar 2015 - 10:28, said:

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous.

Why would he lie? It's not the type of attention a regular working stiff would seek. I think the only people who would want his claim (of a bribe offer and being beaten by police, when he refused) are people who make excuses for police, no matter what.

[JLCrab]

Man says police beat him after he declined to be witness in Koh Tao murder case

"However, since he was not involved with the crime and did not have any knowledge related to it, Pornprasit declined the police offer."

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

He would have been a great witness on cross-examination, I would guess.

[englishoak]

What DNA ?

Thailand backpacker murders: DNA evidence 'lost' - police

Crucial DNA evidence in the case of the murder of two British backpackers cannot be retested because it no longer exists, Thai police have told the BBC.

The evidence is central to the prosecution case against two Burmese migrants on trial for killing David Miller, 24, from Jersey, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk.

The defence had wanted it re-examined.

source BBC

[Fat Haggis]

What a surprise, it's gone missing!! Surely that means that any evidence based on this missing would mean the trial cannot continue.?

[Luang]

Where's those who have said what a great job the police have done and that they are guilty.....JJ's?!!

[Artisi]

What a surprise, it's gone missing!! Surely that means that any evidence based on this missing would mean the trial cannot continue.?

Probably in most civilised lawful countries it would apply, but then in these countries crucial evidence like DNA in a murder trial would be safe under lock and key. But it would seem that you have forgotten the role of Thainess in this case.

[Langsuan Man]

What DNA ?

Thailand backpacker murders: DNA evidence 'lost' - police

Crucial DNA evidence in the case of the murder of two British backpackers cannot be retested because it no longer exists, Thai police have told the BBC.

The evidence is central to the prosecution case against two Burmese migrants on trial for killing David Miller, 24, from Jersey, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk.

The defence had wanted it re-examined.

source BBC

In any other country the case would automatically be dismissed as a result of this (if it is true) since the defense would make a request for dismissal but this is Thailand and who knows how the system works

In a country where you can be tried and convicted of a crime that someone deems to be an offensive, anything is possible

The families are going to see a dog and pony show, but real justice, not going to happen

They should be very angry because the real killers are going to, literally, get away with murder

[Artisi]

What DNA ?

Thailand backpacker murders: DNA evidence 'lost' - police

Crucial DNA evidence in the case of the murder of two British backpackers cannot be retested because it no longer exists, Thai police have told the BBC.

The evidence is central to the prosecution case against two Burmese migrants on trial for killing David Miller, 24, from Jersey, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk.

The defence had wanted it re-examined.

source BBC

In any other country the case would automatically be dismissed as a result of this (if it is true) since the defense would make a request for dismissal but this is Thailand and who knows how the system works

In a country where you can be tried and convicted of a crime that someone deems to be an offensive, anything is possible

The families are going to see a dog and pony show, but real justice, not going to happen

They should be very angry because the real killers are going to, literally, get away with murder

Irrespective of the outcome, I would suggest that the real killers have already got away with murder.

[Nigeone]

God knows what those poor parents and family must be thinking sitting in court listening to what's gone on the last two days.Im sure they are intelligent people and can see what's unfolding in front of them...My heart goes out to,them..and more to come.Noboby can have any doubt that there is serious flaws in this court case.Like someone said this would be grounds for instant dismissal in any civilised society.

[than]

What a surprise, it's gone missing!! Surely that means that any evidence based on this missing would mean the trial cannot continue.?

Probably in most civilised lawful countries it would apply, but then in these countries crucial evidence like DNA in a murder trial would be safe under lock and key. But it would seem that you have forgotten the role of Thainess in this case.

When you see how some evidences disappear in flames in certain police station (see Chang Mai)

[djjamie]

Silly comments to make before a trial but if the family and British police are happy with the investigation then it is probably time for the conspiracy theorists to let this one go.

Let's not forget that there are plenty of scummy Burmese as well as scummy Thais on these islands.

The last thing the conspiracy theorists wanted to hear was that the family accepted the findings of the investigation.

The conspiracy gang will now turn their attention to attacking AFP, itv News, or any other news source that releases anything they don't want to hear.

Shameful that they use the deaths of two innocent young people as a platform to pursue their hobby of trolling websites with their conspiracy theories.

Yep, 2000 odd replies and counting from people that won't accept the grieving families view point.

A view point based on FACTS (the PTP's greatest enemy) that the 2000 odd people are not privy to.

If I was a family member that accepted the evidence and agreed with it the last thing I would want is to read the theories of stubborn conspiracy junkies.

The sad thing is if the evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt the Myanmar workers are guilty during this trial some will still disagree with the result because they will want to save face. A personality trait they belittle Thai's for adhering to.

Shame, shame shame. I truly hope the grieving family do not bare witness to this thread.

Edited July 9, 2015 by djjamie

[englishoak]

What evidence ? the now lost or uncheckable yet to be RTP presented DNA ?

Dont presume what the families want, above all else the last thing they want is this RTP/ Thai farce

[TomJoad]

Has anyone really read all 114 pages of this thread....??

(the novella Death in Venice wasn't that long)

((( )))

[smedly]

In the UK this case would never have made it to court and probably the same for the US and any civilised country that follows a set of rules that protect people accuse of crimes

I hate repeating myself but the fallout of this disgrace is that those that actually committed this filthy deed will never be prosecuted

For all those that are out there considering going to this destination for a holiday I hope you are following what is going on here - the guy sitting in front of you as you order your cocktails on the beach has a very dark secret

In my opinion..........a horrific one

Edited July 9, 2015 by smedly

[NongKhaiKid]

What DNA ?

Thailand backpacker murders: DNA evidence 'lost' - police

Crucial DNA evidence in the case of the murder of two British backpackers cannot be retested because it no longer exists, Thai police have told the BBC.

The evidence is central to the prosecution case against two Burmese migrants on trial for killing David Miller, 24, from Jersey, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk.

The defence had wanted it re-examined.

source BBC

Yesterday the BBC's Jonah Fisher suggested the revelation made outside the court could damage the case but I think he forgot where he is.

In some jurisdictions Yes but not here where the law can be made up as the case goes along and where a conviction is very necessary to save a lot of face and of course protect tourism.

[Artisi]

Silly comments to make before a trial but if the family and British police are happy with the investigation then it is probably time for the conspiracy theorists to let this one go.

Let's not forget that there are plenty of scummy Burmese as well as scummy Thais on these islands.

The last thing the conspiracy theorists wanted to hear was that the family accepted the findings of the investigation.

The conspiracy gang will now turn their attention to attacking AFP, itv News, or any other news source that releases anything they don't want to hear.

Shameful that they use the deaths of two innocent young people as a platform to pursue their hobby of trolling websites with their conspiracy theories.

Yep, 2000 odd replies and counting from people that won't accept the grieving families view point.

A view point based on FACTS (the PTP's greatest enemy) that the 2000 odd people are not privy to.

If I was a family member that accepted the evidence and agreed with it the last thing I would want is to read the theories of stubborn conspiracy junkies.

The sad thing is if the evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt the Myanmar workers are guilty during this trial some will still disagree with the result because they will want to save face. A personality trait they belittle Thai's for adhering to.

Shame, shame shame. I truly hope the grieving family do not bare witness to this thread.

The grieving families view point could be one hell of a snow job based on the perfect evidence collected (now apparently lost / destroyed - oh! how convenient) by the RTP.

It would seem, based on the comments of some posters using this same data, they would be more than happy to see these 2 guys face the firing squad without further hearing - cause they ARE guilty.

Personally I don't believe they did it and would need to see / hear a lot more solid evidence than what has been touted so far by the so-called thorough and faultless investigation before changing my view.

[fab99]

I don't understand that this news event (the opening of the trial and the first two days) didn't get any coverage from Thaivisa, no new thread and people have to use this old thread to speak about the case.

I think this deserves to be covered at least as much as all the other minor or very repetitive pieces of news we see on the forum.

I feel disgusted by the fact that the inhumane killers of the couple are probably still out there, nothing has convinced me yet that these two tiny guys from Myanmar did this awful thing.

[Jai Dee]

I don't understand that this news event (the opening of the trial and the first two days) didn't get any coverage from Thaivisa, no new thread and people have to use this old thread to speak about the case.

I think this deserves to be covered at least as much as all the other minor or very repetitive pieces of news we see on the forum.

I feel disgusted by the fact that the inhumane killers of the couple are probably still out there, nothing has convinced me yet that these two tiny guys from Myanmar did this awful thing.

Check the Koh Samui News Forum.