maxme Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar. It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual. So is it in Thailand but because the law is, commonly known, not enforced here there aren't enough women that report it, in fear of retaliation and be shunned off. So that statement was a cheap ploy to deal with the real criticism.Thailand actually keeps and publishes crime statistics. The truth is we don't know the background of the defendants yet. That background would be admissible in court in Thailand. "They keep and publish the crime statstics." I wish I knew where your conviction of that Thai justice system is transparent, comes from. It's fairly obvious now that there is no way for you to deter from your unhealthy belief in the law enforcement in Thailand. If you saw it from a more objective point of view it would be an interesting debate we could engage in alas that seems not to be the case nor will it be in the future. Edited December 13, 2014 by maxme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooner Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 We all know mistakes can be made in police cases but it would be interesting to compile a list of police statements giving to the media by the RTP. Im to lazy to bother but just thinking about the few I can remember makes my head spin. The amount of back tracking, false claims and non existent proof is laughable. Its Hannahs phone, no its Davids! We don't have the DNA technology, now we can do 12 hr tests. David was killed by the hoe, none of his DNA on it though. Topped of by the Police commanders claim of CCTV footage of Mon and Nomsod and evidence to implicate them in the murders. Even if it was a lead as claimed what kind of police force claims they have evidence when apparently they were mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 We all know mistakes can be made in police cases but it would be interesting to compile a list of police statements giving to the media by the RTP. Im to lazy to bother but just thinking about the few I can remember makes my head spin. The amount of back tracking, false claims and non existent proof is laughable. Its Hannahs phone, no its Davids! We don't have the DNA technology, now we can do 12 hr tests. David was killed by the hoe, none of his DNA on it though. Topped of by the Police commanders claim of CCTV footage of Mon and Nomsod and evidence to implicate them in the murders. Even if it was a lead as claimed what kind of police force claims they have evidence when apparently they were mistaken. It will also be interesting to see them explain how a garden hoe can make cuts like a push knife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 We all know mistakes can be made in police cases but it would be interesting to compile a list of police statements giving to the media by the RTP. Im to lazy to bother but just thinking about the few I can remember makes my head spin. The amount of back tracking, false claims and non existent proof is laughable. Its Hannahs phone, no its Davids! We don't have the DNA technology, now we can do 12 hr tests. David was killed by the hoe, none of his DNA on it though. Topped of by the Police commanders claim of CCTV footage of Mon and Nomsod and evidence to implicate them in the murders. Even if it was a lead as claimed what kind of police force claims they have evidence when apparently they were mistaken. It will also be interesting to see them explain how a garden hoe can make cuts like a push knife And how it's possible to kill two people with the same object but have no trace of the other victims DNA on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I still find it strange how this can happen and nobody in the nearby guest house where they were staying heard anything, just look how close it is to the crime scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeg Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Oh Christ, and here comes the other one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Was the band dive shop owner murder resolved when witness's saw notihing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) I still find it strange how this can happen and nobody in the nearby guest house where they were staying heard anything, just look how close it is to the crime scene I find it more strange your refusal to provide relevant information you say you can. Are their unsolved murders in KT? Are there unsolved rapes in KT? I can tell you the answer to that and it blows your argument out of the water. Still waiting ... I answered your question and outside the current two on trial, I am not aware of any unsolved murders on the island. So again, I ask you to provide us the answer you say you can. Desperation from someone who has already outed what he thinks about the Burmese people and what they are capable of as an excuse to show why the B2 could have committed this crime................as for the question I asked you you did not bother to look very hard, try a bit harder I even gave a big clue by posting just one link that mentions 2 unsolved murders and rape, did that only a couple of hours ago. OUT Edited December 13, 2014 by thailandchilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) According to you but as mentioned your biased views about Burmese people are now known. Everybody else who has a brain that allows it to question and enquire, can see what you said and there's no reasoning with somebody so blind, so did you actually read the link......perhaps if you did you will get a good feel for the Island by somebody who lived there, not that you will believe any of it, so probably best not to bother HINT "Various sock puppet accounts appear on online message boards such as Thaivisa.com attempting to derail commentary on the incident and the character assassination of the only witness begins." I wonder who this guy is referring to? Edited December 13, 2014 by thailandchilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) According to you but as mentioned your biased views about Burmese people are now known. Everybody else who has a brain that allows it to question and enquire, can see what you said and there's no reasoning with somebody so blind, so did you actually read the link......perhaps if you did you will get a good feel for the Island by somebody who lived there, not that you will believe any of it, so probably best not to bother HINT "Various sock puppet accounts appear on online message boards such as Thaivisa.com attempting to derail commentary on the incident and the character assassination of the only witness begins." I wonder who this guy is referring to? You have cross posted that several times. Which "only witness" is the blogger referring to? How does it relate to this topic? Hint - it doesn't relate and he is referring to someone who wasn't a witness. Its up to the reader to make an assumption, thats what articles do, you make your own conclusion and everybody else will make theirs Edited December 13, 2014 by thailandchilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar. It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual. So is it in Thailand but because the law is, commonly known, not enforced here there aren't enough women that report it, in fear of retaliation and be shunned off. So that statement was a cheap ploy to deal with the real criticism.Thailand actually keeps and publishes crime statistics. The truth is we don't know the background of the defendants yet. That background would be admissible in court in Thailand. "They keep and publish the crime statstics." I wish I knew where your conviction of that Thai justice system is transparent, comes from. It's fairly obvious now that there is no way for you to deter from your unhealthy belief in the law enforcement in Thailand. If you saw it from a more objective point of view it would be an interesting debate we could engage in alas that seems not to be the case nor will it be in the future. You are conflating again. Were we not talking about rape and crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) According to you but as mentioned your biased views about Burmese people are now known. Everybody else who has a brain that allows it to question and enquire, can see what you said and there's no reasoning with somebody so blind, so did you actually read the link......perhaps if you did you will get a good feel for the Island by somebody who lived there, not that you will believe any of it, so probably best not to bother HINT "Various sock puppet accounts appear on online message boards such as Thaivisa.com attempting to derail commentary on the incident and the character assassination of the only witness begins." I wonder who this guy is referring to? You have cross posted that several times.Which "only witness" is the blogger referring to? How does it relate to this topic? Hint - it doesn't relate and he is referring to someone who wasn't a witness. Its up to the reader to make an assumption, thats what articles do, you make your own conclusion and everybody else will make there's So, you are saying articles on that blog requires readers to assume who he is talking about. Thus requiring speculation.....Real news articles give facts... Bloggers with agendas don't. Edited December 13, 2014 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) not taking your pathetic bait.................its clear your vested interest in KT makes your biased views blind to any argument other than supporting the RTP line Edited December 13, 2014 by thailandchilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) not taking your pathetic bait.................Typical smart A from him when you have him in a corner. Edited December 13, 2014 by StealthEnergiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar. It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual. So is it in Thailand but because the law is, commonly known, not enforced here there aren't enough women that report it, in fear of retaliation and be shunned off. So that statement was a cheap ploy to deal with the real criticism.Thailand actually keeps and publishes crime statistics. The truth is we don't know the background of the defendants yet. That background would be admissible in court in Thailand. "They keep and publish the crime statstics." I wish I knew where your conviction of that Thai justice system is transparent, comes from. It's fairly obvious now that there is no way for you to deter from your unhealthy belief in the law enforcement in Thailand. If you saw it from a more objective point of view it would be an interesting debate we could engage in alas that seems not to be the case nor will it be in the future. You are conflating again. Were we not talking about rape and crime? Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about justice. You know, innocent until proven guilty, fairness to all and all that other nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 not taking your pathetic bait.................its clear your vested interest in KT makes your biased views blind to any argument other than supporting the RTP line No bait at all. News sources give facts. Your source according to you, requires speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 not taking your pathetic bait.................its clear your vested interest in KT makes your biased views blind to any argument other than supporting the RTP line No bait at all. News sources give facts. Your source according to you, requires speculation. For you yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) not taking your pathetic bait.................its clear your vested interest in KT makes your biased views blind to any argument other than supporting the RTP lineNo bait at all. News sources give facts.Your source according to you, requires speculation. For you yes Pardon?The reason we link to news articles and not blogs is to prevent the necessity of speculation. Speculation is something some members have promised not to do regarding this case. Edited December 13, 2014 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Sean knows more than he is letting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) JohnThailandJohn: "One also is not known globally for widespread use of rape with impunity as a weaon and control tool " Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar. It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual. jeez Louise, you guys will dig in all sorts of trash heaps to try and make a point. I know JTJ is American, as I am, and JD may be American also, but since you'all want to try to drag the scapegoats thru the gutter, here's a little eye-opener for you: Rapes occur within the US armed forces, and they're not rare. More than a few female soldiers don't even drink liquids after 5 pm, so they don't have to slip off to the ladies room at night. If an American vet was a suspect in this case, would you say it's likely he did it, because American soldiers are known to rape women? Edited December 13, 2014 by boomerangutang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritzzz25 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 not taking your pathetic bait.................its clear your vested interest in KT makes your biased views blind to any argument other than supporting the RTP line No bait at all. News sources give facts. Your source according to you, requires speculation. Actually peer reviewed documents give facts. News sources give a story based on the bias of the author. But good try. And I will say it again, The trial of the accused is merely a sideshow, the trial of the police investigation is the main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Another when Sean was hiding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 3 together when Sean was in the shop hiding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Deleted. No reason to reply to someone conflating arguments. Edited December 13, 2014 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 not taking your pathetic bait.................its clear your vested interest in KT makes your biased views blind to any argument other than supporting the RTP lineNo bait at all. News sources give facts.Your source according to you, requires speculation. For you yes Pardon?The reason we link to news articles and not blogs is to prevent the necessity of speculation. Speculation is something some members have promised not to do regarding this case. Come on JD. Newspapers sometimes get things wrong, and social media sometimes get things right. Is you world so nicely compartmentalized that you actually think all that's reported in newspapers is correct, and all blogs are pure speculation and conspiracy theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Sean and the policeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well, I must inform you that your gut instinct is way off the mark, if you are using the same gut instinct in deciding who are the "real" murderers you should reconsider and instead of using your gut use your brain. I already explained why I give a crap, do try and pay attention to what you answer to instead of closing your eyes and just going with what your "gut instinct" tells you. Now, once more, because you guys seem very slow in the uptake: I do not have any connection with Koh Tao, the headman or anyone living there. Got it? Weren't you part of Suthep's cheerleading squad? No, any other thing you want to postulate and be wrong about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z42 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Sean knows more than he is letting on. Sean1.jpg When is the link from? There is no date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Sean knows more than he is letting on. Sean1.jpg When is the link from? There is no date. I don't have the link just screen shots but it was 22/09/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisF Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Sean knows more than he is letting on. Sean1.jpg In this allegedly threatening situation this lowlife wrote: The owner of the AC bar DID it, obviously, as he is English, referring to a past event. What exactly the bar owner did is not specified but lowlife was NOT referring to his own possible murder although later he changed his mind and said he was!! Even primary school kids would not make that mistake. I am sure he knows something, what is speculation. He batted on about 3 AC bar employees who never came to work the next day, who were they? Edited December 13, 2014 by DennisF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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