Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

IslandLover · January 5, 2015

BritTim, on 05 Jan 2015 - 20:09, said:

IslandLover, on 05 Jan 2015 - 19:52, said:

catsanddogs, on 05 Jan 2015 - 18:01, said:
Interesting re-reading that again. 'They had a motorcycle accident'. This reads as if Sean and Christopher both had the motorcycle accident? Was Christopher on the island at the time Sean said he had the accident? Sean did say somewhere (facebook maybe) when the accident happened but I can't be certain where I read this. How good a friends were the two men? Did Sean know Christopher as well as he knew David (which I don't think was that well from what I've read even through he has referred to him as 'Bother'). It throws a new light on everything if there is any truth in the above quote from Mizzima. Especially since Christopher left the island so soon after the crime and Sean was apparently told to hang himself.

See my post #2624. There are inaccuracies in the Mizzima report. No, they did not both have a motorcycle accident. Chris Ware got his injuries in an accident with a burning skipping rope on Koh Phangan, before he and David went to Koh Tao. As far as I know, Sean said he had a motorcycle accident on or around September 11th. He didn't say where exactly it occurred, but it is presumed to have happened on Koh Tao. Nowhere has it been reported that Chris Ware knew Sean McAnna. David only knew Sean from when they were both living in Leeds, when David was at Uni there.

Bit more on Sean's accident: https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/soundcloud-1st-13-10-2014/

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Only arrived in Thailand September 9th and went straight Tao from Surat Thani airport.

...

I've seen that csila page. It's utterly ridiculous. A punch knife would have broken my bone. I have evidence that my cut was from the 9th, a few days before my mate was killed. It was from the same time I got the "cut" on my leg which is actually an exhaust burn from my bike.

Elsewhere, he expands further on how the accident happened: trying to control a bike while holding a bag and guitar. If you really want, I shall dig it out.

Thanks for the crimesontheblog link. Very useful. Now I know who Sven is

catsanddogs · January 5, 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761192/Does-cheap-local-cigarette-provide-Thai-police-vital-clue-British-tourist-murders-DNA-TWO-men-butt-officials-believe-multiple-weapons-used-kill-pair.html

DNA traces from possible suspects could not be detected on Mr Miller's body because it was smeared with his blood, assistant national police chief General Jarumporn Suramanee said.

Eh?

catsanddogs · January 5, 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761192/Does-cheap-local-cigarette-provide-Thai-police-vital-clue-British-tourist-murders-DNA-TWO-men-butt-officials-believe-multiple-weapons-used-kill-pair.html

In a further breakthrough in the investigation - despite no direct profile of the killers being compiled - police said they believed the killers had used two weapons.

While the blood on the hoe was from Miss Witheridge, it is believed Mr Miller was bludgeoned with a piece of metal, rendering him unconscious before he drowned at the water’s edge as the tide came in.

greenchair · January 5, 2015

BritTim, on 05 Jan 2015 - 20:09, said:

IslandLover, on 05 Jan 2015 - 19:52, said:

catsanddogs, on 05 Jan 2015 - 18:01, said:
Interesting re-reading that again. 'They had a motorcycle accident'. This reads as if Sean and Christopher both had the motorcycle accident? Was Christopher on the island at the time Sean said he had the accident? Sean did say somewhere (facebook maybe) when the accident happened but I can't be certain where I read this. How good a friends were the two men? Did Sean know Christopher as well as he knew David (which I don't think was that well from what I've read even through he has referred to him as 'Bother'). It throws a new light on everything if there is any truth in the above quote from Mizzima. Especially since Christopher left the island so soon after the crime and Sean was apparently told to hang himself.

See my post #2624. There are inaccuracies in the Mizzima report. No, they did not both have a motorcycle accident. Chris Ware got his injuries in an accident with a burning skipping rope on Koh Phangan, before he and David went to Koh Tao. As far as I know, Sean said he had a motorcycle accident on or around September 11th. He didn't say where exactly it occurred, but it is presumed to have happened on Koh Tao. Nowhere has it been reported that Chris Ware knew Sean McAnna. David only knew Sean from when they were both living in Leeds, when David was at Uni there.

Bit more on Sean's accident: https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/soundcloud-1st-13-10-2014/

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Only arrived in Thailand September 9th and went straight Tao from Surat Thani airport.

...

I've seen that csila page. It's utterly ridiculous. A punch knife would have broken my bone. I have evidence that my cut was from the 9th, a few days before my mate was killed. It was from the same time I got the "cut" on my leg which is actually an exhaust burn from my bike.

Elsewhere, he expands further on how the accident happened: trying to control a bike while holding a bag and guitar. If you really want, I shall dig it out.

Thanks for the crimesontheblog link. Very useful. Now I know who Sven is

Who is Sven? ???

catsanddogs · January 5, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small folded towel on it.

catsanddogs · January 5, 2015

This picture is clearer. It does look like like a small green towel tucked into the top of his tee shirt.

greenchair · January 5, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small towel.JPGfolded towel on it.

No in another pic. That's the pocket on the shirt.

catsanddogs · January 5, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small towel.JPGfolded towel on it.

No in another pic. That's the pocket on the shirt.

Looks like a towel to me. And that's without using the magnifying glass.

catsanddogs · January 5, 2015

You can see the green pocket in this picture quite clearly -

pocket.htm

But this picture is different because it looks as if you can just see the corner of the pocket because something is on top of it.

Maybe I'm tired and hallucinating. Night.

pocket.htm

StealthEnergiser · January 5, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small towel.JPGfolded towel on it.

No in another pic. That's the pocket on the shirt.

Looks like a towel to me. And that's without using the magnifying glass.

loonodingle · January 6, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small towel.JPGfolded towel on it.

No in another pic. That's the pocket on the shirt.

Looks like a towel to me. And that's without using the magnifying glass.

Guys why worry about his shirt...?? It's a pocket.

Keep your eye on here around 10.30am UK time and I will update on what happened in Norwich.

catsanddogs · January 6, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small towel.JPGfolded towel on it.

No in another pic. That's the pocket on the shirt.

Looks like a towel to me. And that's without using the magnifying glass.

Guys why worry about his shirt...?? It's a pocket.

Keep your eye on here around 10.30am UK time and I will update on what happened in Norwich.

Not worrying about his tee shirt. Pointing out that he looks like he may be carrying a small green towel and Hannah's face was apparently covered with such an item. It may be important and it may not. But if he was carrying a towel that may indicate that he was planning on going to the beach, either alone, with someone or to meet someone (not necessarily Hannah).

loonodingle · January 6, 2015

BritTim, on 05 Jan 2015 - 20:09, said:

IslandLover, on 05 Jan 2015 - 19:52, said:

catsanddogs, on 05 Jan 2015 - 18:01, said:

Interesting re-reading that again. 'They had a motorcycle accident'. This reads as if Sean and Christopher both had the motorcycle accident? Was Christopher on the island at the time Sean said he had the accident? Sean did say somewhere (facebook maybe) when the accident happened but I can't be certain where I read this. How good a friends were the two men? Did Sean know Christopher as well as he knew David (which I don't think was that well from what I've read even through he has referred to him as 'Bother'). It throws a new light on everything if there is any truth in the above quote from Mizzima. Especially since Christopher left the island so soon after the crime and Sean was apparently told to hang himself.

See my post #2624. There are inaccuracies in the Mizzima report. No, they did not both have a motorcycle accident. Chris Ware got his injuries in an accident with a burning skipping rope on Koh Phangan, before he and David went to Koh Tao. As far as I know, Sean said he had a motorcycle accident on or around September 11th. He didn't say where exactly it occurred, but it is presumed to have happened on Koh Tao. Nowhere has it been reported that Chris Ware knew Sean McAnna. David only knew Sean from when they were both living in Leeds, when David was at Uni there.

Bit more on Sean's accident: https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/soundcloud-1st-13-10-2014/

Quote
Only arrived in Thailand September 9th and went straight Tao from Surat Thani airport.

...

I've seen that csila page. It's utterly ridiculous. A punch knife would have broken my bone. I have evidence that my cut was from the 9th, a few days before my mate was killed. It was from the same time I got the "cut" on my leg which is actually an exhaust burn from my bike.

Elsewhere, he expands further on how the accident happened: trying to control a bike while holding a bag and guitar. If you really want, I shall dig it out.

Thanks for the crimesontheblog link. Very useful. Now I know who Sven is

Who is Sven? ???

Has anyone considered this.

You tell your mate to lie for you because otherwise if it gets out you witnessed something you could be killed.

its feasible. I would if my m8 was in the poop and the local mafia was possibly goner knock me off.

A few things that seem to be forgotten with time.

Within hours of the incident word spread about an argument or the like in the ac bar. Fact.

It was widely reported straight away. Sean went in a bar. Not sure if AC and the AC staff started on him.

loonodingle · January 6, 2015

Just read this (not allowed to say source) - dated Sept 20th

There is no public record of any shorts being left at the scene and police are not currently commenting on this story. But they do say they have evidence which they are not revealing. They did however release CCTV footage of the suspicious character.

I remember discussions relating to a green towel that was placed over Hannah's face and there was speculation over who might have placed it there. The still below shows David heading towards the beach (according to the article) and I just noticed that on his left shoulder it looks as though he could have a small towel.JPGfolded towel on it.

No in another pic. That's the pocket on the shirt.

Looks like a towel to me. And that's without using the magnifying glass.

Guys why worry about his shirt...?? It's a pocket.

Keep your eye on here around 10.30am UK time and I will update on what happened in Norwich.

Not worrying about his tee shirt. Pointing out that he looks like he may be carrying a small green towel and Hannah's face was apparently covered with such an item. It may be important and it may not. But if he was carrying a towel that may indicate that he was planning on going to the beach, either alone, with someone or to meet someone (not necessarily Hannah).

Okay well the green thing on his shirt is a pocket as per picture above.

AleG · January 6, 2015

GC you have managed to end any debates about this murder.

I must congratulate you on a far better job than JTJ,JTINASIA,BALO and ALIG did in the last 6 months.

So, have they found any actual evidence at all to support their theories?

I guess figuring out the colour of Miller's shirt pocket was a major breakthrough in their "investigation".

loonodingle · January 6, 2015

GC you have managed to end any debates about this murder.

I must congratulate you on a far better job than JTJ,JTINASIA,BALO and ALIG did in the last 6 months.

So, have they found any actual evidence at all to support their theories?

I guess figuring out the colour of Miller's shirt pocket was a major breakthrough in their "investigation".

Glad I have gone up in your opinion AleGgedley. ..

greenchair · January 6, 2015

GC you have managed to end any debates about this murder.

I must congratulate you on a far better job than JTJ,JTINASIA,BALO and ALIG did in the last 6 months.

So, have they found any actual evidence at all to support their theories?

I guess figuring out the colour of Miller's shirt pocket was a major breakthrough in their "investigation".

Just like a pimple, that keeps popping up when you are about to enjoy a special occasion. ???

loonodingle · January 6, 2015

GC you have managed to end any debates about this murder.

I must congratulate you on a far better job than JTJ,JTINASIA,BALO and ALIG did in the last 6 months.

So, have they found any actual evidence at all to support their theories?

I guess figuring out the colour of Miller's shirt pocket was a major breakthrough in their "investigation".

Just like a pimple, that keeps popping up when you are about to enjoy a special occasion. ???

No chance of him getting anyone pregnant. Very little input...

boomerangutang · January 6, 2015

Well as long as you don't believe it's the truth that is all that matters. You are, after all, the expert detective here!

We're all detectives of sorts. Just like we're all searching around for clues - to nail the real criminals - who (if you seriously doubt the B2 are the perps) ....are still walking around, looking for other young pretty blond chicks to seduce with date-rape drugs. If the next chick doesn't comply (and if she says or does something offensive) well, tough tamales, ....got to bash her head to smithereens. It's a tough response, but hey, she offended a Thai guy.

IslandLover · January 6, 2015

greenchair, on 06 Jan 2015 - 00:18, said:
Who is Sven? ???

Sven Hutchinson, I presume.

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/%e2%99%a6-it-was-a-stab-wound-%e2%99%a6-2/

greenchair · January 6, 2015

greenchair, on 06 Jan 2015 - 00:18, said:

Who is Sven? ???

Sven Hutchinson, I presume.

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/%e2%99%a6-it-was-a-stab-wound-%e2%99%a6-2/

Well that's wrong already. Since Sean said he knew on the 16th not a few days later. Seems everyone knew who it was by Monday noon except sven and Sean. I think we need a timeline for sven ⏳

BritTim · January 6, 2015

GC you have managed to end any debates about this murder.

I must congratulate you on a far better job than JTJ,JTINASIA,BALO and ALIG did in the last 6 months.

So, have they found any actual evidence at all to support their theories?

I guess figuring out the colour of Miller's shirt pocket was a major breakthrough in their "investigation".

You do know AleG that sarcasm is the lowest form of humor I wonder if your conviction about the trust we can place in the RTP and Thai justice system is beginning to wane a bit. You sometimes do show some signs of being capable of logical thought.

BritTim · January 6, 2015

Sven Hutchinson, I presume.

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/%e2%99%a6-it-was-a-stab-wound-%e2%99%a6-2/

Well that's wrong already. Since Sean said he knew on the 16th not a few days later. Seems everyone knew who it was by Monday noon except sven and Sean. I think we need a timeline for sven ⏳

I, for one, do not accept that "everyone knew by Monday noon". I am a bit of a news freak, but I did not know. Those on the island will have talked about nothing else except the murders, but the gossip will not have included names.

JLCrab · January 6, 2015

Well as long as you don't believe it's the truth that is all that matters. You are, after all, the expert detective here!

We're all detectives of sorts. Just like we're all searching around for clues - to nail the real criminals - who (if you seriously doubt the B2 are the perps) ....are still walking around, looking for other young pretty blond chicks to seduce with date-rape drugs. If the next chick doesn't comply (and if she says or does something offensive) well, tough tamales, ....got to bash her head to smithereens. It's a tough response, but hey, she offended a Thai guy.

...And if no pretty young blond chick is seduced with a date-rape drug, it just means that the real perps are being more cautious these days. Huh?

greenchair · January 6, 2015

Sven Hutchinson, I presume.

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/%e2%99%a6-it-was-a-stab-wound-%e2%99%a6-2/

Well that's wrong already. Since Sean said he knew on the 16th not a few days later. Seems everyone knew who it was by Monday noon except sven and Sean. I think we need a timeline for sven ⏳

I, for one, do not accept that "everyone knew by Monday noon". I am a bit of a news freak, but I did not know. Those on the island will have talked about nothing else except the murders, but the gossip will not have included names.

Looking for a pic of the 15th vigil.the one on the 16th had a picture of the two. I wonder if the shrine wad created on the 15th. You are telling me Sean and sven did not know about the vigil Monday night. Mon, Headman everyone knew except. Sean and sven. Who probably were sleeping throughout Monday when all this was going on.

BritTim · January 6, 2015

Well as long as you don't believe it's the truth that is all that matters. You are, after all, the expert detective here!

We're all detectives of sorts. Just like we're all searching around for clues - to nail the real criminals - who (if you seriously doubt the B2 are the perps) ....are still walking around, looking for other young pretty blond chicks to seduce with date-rape drugs. If the next chick doesn't comply (and if she says or does something offensive) well, tough tamales, ....got to bash her head to smithereens. It's a tough response, but hey, she offended a Thai guy.

...And if no pretty young blond chick is seduced with a date-rape drug, it just means that the real perps are being more cautious these days. Huh?

... or the young lady does not want to talk about it

... or the young ladies are being more careful after the recent news and travel advisories

... or a stepped up police presence is temporarily inhibiting them trying it

... or ???

greenchair · January 6, 2015

GC you have managed to end any debates about this murder.

I must congratulate you on a far better job than JTJ,JTINASIA,BALO and ALIG did in the last 6 months.

So, have they found any actual evidence at all to support their theories?

I guess figuring out the colour of Miller's shirt pocket was a major breakthrough in their "investigation".

Glad I have gone up in your opinion AleGgedley. ..

Well. At least the investigating team have not talked about nomsod for 3 hundred pages.

He was there ?

No,he wasn't ?

He was there ?

No, he wasn't ?

He was there ?

No, he wasn't ?

JLCrab · January 6, 2015

Well as long as you don't believe it's the truth that is all that matters. You are, after all, the expert detective here!

We're all detectives of sorts. Just like we're all searching around for clues - to nail the real criminals - who (if you seriously doubt the B2 are the perps) ....are still walking around, looking for other young pretty blond chicks to seduce with date-rape drugs. If the next chick doesn't comply (and if she says or does something offensive) well, tough tamales, ....got to bash her head to smithereens. It's a tough response, but hey, she offended a Thai guy.

...And if no pretty young blond chick is seduced with a date-rape drug, it just means that the real perps are being more cautious these days. Huh?

... or the young lady does not want to talk about it

... or the young ladies are being more careful after the recent news and travel advisories

... or a stepped up police presence is temporarily inhibiting them trying it

... or ???

That's right -- they've learned their lesson.

BritTim · January 6, 2015

Sven Hutchinson, I presume.

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/%e2%99%a6-it-was-a-stab-wound-%e2%99%a6-2/

Well that's wrong already. Since Sean said he knew on the 16th not a few days later. Seems everyone knew who it was by Monday noon except sven and Sean. I think we need a timeline for sven ⏳

I, for one, do not accept that "everyone knew by Monday noon". I am a bit of a news freak, but I did not know. Those on the island will have talked about nothing else except the murders, but the gossip will not have included names.

Looking for a pic of the 15th vigil.the one on the 16th had a picture of the two. I wonder if the shrine wad created on the 15th. You are telling me Sean and sven did not know about the vigil Monday night. Mon, Headman everyone knew except. Sean and sven. Who probably were sleeping throughout Monday when all this was going on.

Of course Sean and Sven knew two young people had been murdered. They would definitely know that it was a man and a woman, with media suggestions that they were a couple. Why would Sean have immediately jumped to the conclusion that the guy was his mate David who was visiting with his male friends? The gossip would not have included names because most (even those taking photos of the crime scene) would not have known them, and also because names are pretty meaningless unless you know the victims.

It is entirely credible that Sean only knew the first time he visited news sites after the police announced the names. His initial tFacebook post was entirely consistent with this (anyway most likely) hypothesis. Note that the name "Hannah Witheridge" did not seem to have made him as emotional.

Edited January 6, 2015 by BritTim

BritTim · January 6, 2015

... or the young lady does not want to talk about it

... or the young ladies are being more careful after the recent news and travel advisories

... or a stepped up police presence is temporarily inhibiting them trying it

... or ???

That's right -- they've learned their lesson.

The godfather who had to pay to get them out of the mess may well have told them to cool it. The police and possible witnesses might not worry them, but he would.

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