Chinese Couple, Throwing Hot Water And Threatening to Blow Up The Plane Force Return To Bangkok

[CharlieH]

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[Friendly Stranger]

Air Asia has a knack for eliciting this kind of behaviour. Some of Air Asia's policies need to be changed. They call you esteemed client but treat you like S#@$t.

You're joking right? Air Asia is not top notch but lets not pretend that it's their fault. They screwed up once with me, I wrote a letter and got a credit on a future flight.

There are ways to handle a situation: Assaulting staff and threatening to blow up planes are criminal.

[carter1882]

In my view a fine and a slap on the wrists for this kind of behaviour in the highly pressurised, literally, environment of a plane is not enough. Sure, the Thais may be thinking about the effect on tourism but i think the great majority of people both Chinese and non-Chinese would reject this behaviour and call for a custodial sentence. What you might get away with on the ground you should be punished severely for in the air. If the guy did say he would blow up the plane, that is a prison sentence right there.

[LawrenceChee]

I hate it when we have such representation of the Chinese abroad as it drives the already crazy racists into overdrive and the reasonable travelers to insanity

The reality is with 10% traveling the first time on planes ...that's 130 million on a plane and some follow the rules and we have some like this

who are bonkers

Will be calling the camps at Dongbei for a re-education process for these 4 idiots ....nothing like -20 degree C run that will make you appreciate hot water instead of throwing it away

I have flown China Southern to Europe a few times and I found the vast, vast majority of the Chinese passengers to be friendly and well mannered. The only particularly noisy one I ever encountered was the chap chasing after me in Amsterdam airport and yelling at me to stop so he could return my forgotten Kindle...

Thanks for saying that ...good to balance things up with the xenophobia crowd

Most of the Chinese are excited more than rude ..imagine your first school trip and once they knew the rules ...the 2nd trip is rather different ...they learn fast

[Gonsalviz]

Hopefully they will not see China for a good while.

[midzo]

I agree this couple should have been jailed. What's more, they should have been required to pay all the costs associated with the diversion, including the costs born by all the passengers.

I don't understand the behavior of so many Chinese tourists. We have many Chinese in California and I have always found them clean, hard-working and decent people.

[JacChang]

Loud, noisy, disrespectful animals.

They turn any high so place into a marketplace. Get up from their seats, ask where is mom, where is dad, where is grandpa. Just SIT THE EFF down, it's just a mode of transportation, not some exciting piece of crap. Standing around the walkways, blocking people's path.

Sigh.... animals.

[Scott]

Let's try to keep the racist remarks to a minimum. I find it difficult to be packed into a flight with any group of people, regardless of their nationality.

I had the privilege of working in China for a time in the very late 80's and early 90's. Public manners were quite different from what one experiences in a western country, but it was a poor country and basic things like indoor plumbing were largely lacking. It was a crowded country. I met some extremely nice people who welcomed me and 'adopted' me and I was addressed as uncle or brother. The kindness and politeness that seemed to be lacking in public was certainly to be found in the setting of family and close friendship. Most of the people now traveling aren't a full generation from the grinding poverty they grew up with and that their families endured. It takes a while for things to change.

I haven't seen too many nationalities that haven't had a few bad apples get into trouble on airplanes. The big difference seems to be that most Westerners are drunk and use that as an excuse.

I am sure these two will not be spared any consequences because of their nationality.

[ravip]

Send them to the CIA torture prison posthaste!

In the developed, 1st world, Democratic countries do they have torture chambers?

[Thian]

They say people in alphabetical order, rather than in family groups or based on relationships?

I assume this was the tour company's doing rather than the airlines.

I was on a flight with a Chinese tour group once, they were continuously changing seats to visit one another. That's when I knew "Chinese fire drill" was more than an expression.

Chinese groups on holiday act like spoiled brats and don't give a dime about other guests/passengers.

In the hotels they occupy the whole reception and fight about who gets which room. Then they claim the elevator untill all of them have gone to their rooms, don't think they will let you use the elevator together with them. At the breakfast again they claim the whole buffet and don't let anybody else get near untill they all have their meal. Very selfish people and with very low manners.

In the past i have seen them spitting on the floor of the (full) coach, snoring like a bear, jumping queue's at the customs and so on.

Is this is what Thailand is looking for then i 'm out. Hongkong chinese are more developed than these low-so's.

[Jeremy50]

total screw ball...these people who cant behave themselves on a plane need to be dealt with seriously, i´ve seen too many idiots on planes over the years, from Chinese / japanese wandering down the plane just before landing, puting the stewardess in danger that has to run after him....from drunken swedish , danish arrisholes.. a russian mouthing off at a thai on an air asia flight and the thai guy beating the sheeite out of him...a drunk dane sitting next to me that was refused any more drink then assaulted the trolley dolly before falling over, he was then threatened with arrest and being cuffed...a loopy nepalese woman fighting with a stewardess over her handbag , climbing over seats, refusing to keep shutters shut when people sleeping..while she filmed the sun with her camera.. , absolute nut cases, is it too much to ask just to behave yourself for a couple of hours???

Why I can only just drag myself to an airport once every two years. The window blind is a classic,wake up 50 people just so you can look at an <deleted> cloud. And my pet hate - all those idiots who crowd right up to the luggage carousel so that no one can see when their suitcase is coming along. And the guy that gets onto the plane wearing the same shirt that he has been walking around Bangkok in for a week, and the sense of relief that he hasn't taken the seat next to me, even though I can smell that stale sweat from 6 rows back.

[Wilsonandson]

If the couple were on a fast moving train they would have pulled the emergency stop chain and caused chaos. Thank God they were on a plane and threatened to bomb it. Thats why the slap on wrist. Silly billys in love.

[philw]

Five pages of good old Thaivisa racism, hatred, over-reaction,righteous indignation and draconian punishment, all over a relatively minor fracas, the like of which has probably been experienced by virtually every airline in the world.

And yet, even sadder than most of the posters here, is the fact that the pilot decided to return to BKK.

15-20 years ago, the flight would probably have continued on with no great drama.

[Wilsonandson]

Since 9/11 pilots take terrorism threats seriously. Where have you been for 15-20 years Philw?

[smoochy]

To all the Chinese apologists, you've either never been to China (or been there 30 years ago), have never been in a bus/train/aircraft with them or had the privilege of sharing a hotel with a few tour groups. There are exceptions to the rule but as a whole, they're a disgusting lot. How these two won't rot in jail for terroristic threats and assault is a complete mystery to me.

[LawrenceChee]

To all the Chinese apologists, you've either never been to China (or been there 30 years ago), have never been in a bus/train/aircraft with them or had the privilege of sharing a hotel with a few tour groups. There are exceptions to the rule but as a whole, they're a disgusting lot. How these two won't rot in jail for terroristic threats and assault is a complete mystery to me.

We will take care of them ...don't worry ...they won't go scot free. actually they have already been picked up at the airport on arrival

I encourage people to engage the Chinese away from hotel tour groups , lobbies and on buses ...you will find there are nice Chinese in smaller groups who are well mannered and cultured

PM me Smoochy ...would treat you to a nice cup of longjing and yes I speak English

Edited December 13, 2014 by LawrenceChee

[surangw]

at least they held it in until they were leaving

[DeepInTheForest]

I have had to put up with this behaviour on airasia Bangkok to Macau . The route to Macau from Thailand seems to allow PRC Chinese a way to bypass visa requirements that are in place on the land crossings or flights from China . Anyway , they are nuts . The redeye monday morning express was always full of crew cutted mobsters who were escorting large groups of young women . Noisy morons delaying the take off by fighting over who sits where on an airasia flight is a nightmare , as if it wasn't bad enough .

Err, I would suggest that as they are already in BKK then the PRC Nationals already have a travel permit and of course can enter Macau that is in itself an autonomous region of the PRC. No?

You could be right but I think they need an entry permit for Macau . I would also hazard a guess to say that these crews were not normal tourists but again Macau is full of hard looking mobsters and they might well like their jollies in Bangkok with 30 + dolly birds in tow . I too have experience with the normal tourists every weekend on the Macau to HK ferry and they are at worst noisy and daft. No disrespect intended. Getting violent and threatining flight attendants is the entitiled behaviour of a criminal element.

I am sure I am.

I should have added that the group you refer to more than likely originally travelled from China to Macau and then to BKK and were on the original return route, i.e. the relevant travel permit. Criminal element the couple surely are not but do conform to your 'noisy and daft' observation. I do agree the constant seat changing on boarding is an annoyance but so to the obsessive belts off and standing in the isles immediately after landing while not forgetting the inability to recognise a line or queue anywhere be it shop checkout, bus, train or taxi rank.

I wouldn't be so sure.

Macau and Hong Kong are Special Administrative Regions (SARs). They have special visa requirements for mainland Chinese travellers. The visa issued is known as a "two-way permit" or "exit-entry permit" (EEP), and allows the holder to enter either Hong Kong or Macau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_Exit-Entry_Permit_for_Travelling_to_and_from_Hong_Kong_and_Macau#cite_note-1

http://www.fsm.gov.mo/psp/eng/EDoN.html

"Hong Kong SAR grants a stay of seven days to mainland Chinese who use their People's Republic of China passport in transit through Hong Kong to and from overseas. "

I am guessing that mainland people passing through Macau have similar requirements in terms of documentation, although it may be that if they do not exit the airport no EEP is required.

Edited December 13, 2014 by DeepInTheForest

[Katoom]

Err, I would suggest that as they are already in BKK then the PRC Nationals already have a travel permit and of course can enter Macau that is in itself an autonomous region of the PRC. No?

You could be right but I think they need an entry permit for Macau . I would also hazard a guess to say that these crews were not normal tourists but again Macau is full of hard looking mobsters and they might well like their jollies in Bangkok with 30 + dolly birds in tow . I too have experience with the normal tourists every weekend on the Macau to HK ferry and they are at worst noisy and daft. No disrespect intended. Getting violent and threatining flight attendants is the entitiled behaviour of a criminal element.

I am sure I am.

I should have added that the group you refer to more than likely originally travelled from China to Macau and then to BKK and were on the original return route, i.e. the relevant travel permit. Criminal element the couple surely are not but do conform to your 'noisy and daft' observation. I do agree the constant seat changing on boarding is an annoyance but so to the obsessive belts off and standing in the isles immediately after landing while not forgetting the inability to recognise a line or queue anywhere be it shop checkout, bus, train or taxi rank.

I wouldn't be so sure.

Macau and Hong Kong are Special Administrative Regions (SARs). They have special visa requirements for mainland Chinese travellers. The visa issued is known as a "two-way permit" or "exit-entry permit" (EEP), and allows the holder to enter either Hong Kong or Macau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_Exit-Entry_Permit_for_Travelling_to_and_from_Hong_Kong_and_Macau#cite_note-1

http://www.fsm.gov.mo/psp/eng/EDoN.html

"Hong Kong SAR grants a stay of seven days to mainland Chinese who use their People's Republic of China passport in transit through Hong Kong to and from overseas. "

I am guessing that mainland people passing through Macau have similar requirements in terms of documentation, although it may be that if they do not exit the airport no EEP is required.

An EEP is issued to people who 'regularly' enter and exit HK or Macau for work, business or education and is facilitated by individual immigration lines and automated entry gates such as those used for residents of either HK or Macau. i.e. it is a card and used similarly to that of a HKID card.

Otherwise, you have confirmed what I had originally posted save you have omitted that the traveller has also a travel permit issued from the Chinese Govt.

[DeepInTheForest]

You could be right but I think they need an entry permit for Macau . I would also hazard a guess to say that these crews were not normal tourists but again Macau is full of hard looking mobsters and they might well like their jollies in Bangkok with 30 + dolly birds in tow . I too have experience with the normal tourists every weekend on the Macau to HK ferry and they are at worst noisy and daft. No disrespect intended. Getting violent and threatining flight attendants is the entitiled behaviour of a criminal element.

I am sure I am.

I should have added that the group you refer to more than likely originally travelled from China to Macau and then to BKK and were on the original return route, i.e. the relevant travel permit. Criminal element the couple surely are not but do conform to your 'noisy and daft' observation. I do agree the constant seat changing on boarding is an annoyance but so to the obsessive belts off and standing in the isles immediately after landing while not forgetting the inability to recognise a line or queue anywhere be it shop checkout, bus, train or taxi rank.

I wouldn't be so sure.

Macau and Hong Kong are Special Administrative Regions (SARs). They have special visa requirements for mainland Chinese travellers. The visa issued is known as a "two-way permit" or "exit-entry permit" (EEP), and allows the holder to enter either Hong Kong or Macau.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_Exit-Entry_Permit_for_Travelling_to_and_from_Hong_Kong_and_Macau#cite_note-1

http://www.fsm.gov.mo/psp/eng/EDoN.html

"Hong Kong SAR grants a stay of seven days to mainland Chinese who use their People's Republic of China passport in transit through Hong Kong to and from overseas. "

I am guessing that mainland people passing through Macau have similar requirements in terms of documentation, although it may be that if they do not exit the airport no EEP is required.

An EEP is issued to people who 'regularly' enter and exit HK or Macau for work, business or education and is facilitated by individual immigration lines and automated entry gates such as those used for residents of either HK or Macau. i.e. it is a card and used similarly to that of a HKID card.

Otherwise, you have confirmed what I had originally posted save you have omitted that the traveller has also a travel permit issued from the Chinese Govt.

Ah, you are quite correct, Katoom, in that Chinese nationals with passport do not need a visa

when transiting HK/Macau. According to this Chinese embassy in Latvia(!) website, anyway. So apologies

to you, and I stand corrected.

(1) Chinese passport holders who are in transit through Hong Kong from another country, region or territory may

be granted a stay of 7 days without the prior need to obtain an entry permit, with the condition of possession

of valid Chinese passport and confirmed onward air tickets for the overseas journey. If Chinese passport holders

will go for mainland China or Macau via Hong Kong, onward air tickets are not compulsory.

Chinese passport holders who are transit through Hong Kong from mainland China to another country, region

or territory may be granted a stay of 7 day without the prior need to obtain an entry permit with the

condition of possession of valid visa for the destination and confirmed onward air tickets for the overseas

journey.

http://lv.china-embassy.org/eng/lsyw/t927842.htm

Edited December 13, 2014 by DeepInTheForest

[nomad127]

Having lived and worked in China for almost 5 years, this story does not even surprise me. Yet here is Thailand kissing their backside and trying to lure them here. They are Cheap Charlies as well as nasty and rude.

[F4UCorsair]

The new rich, or perhaps the new moderately affluent (maybe that should be 'effluent') are the same the world over, a little money, no class, and each one thinks he/she is Marco Polo, the first to have ever travelled.

Losers!!

[jomcondo]

is there a more uncouth bunch of people on the planet than the mainland chinese? I don't think so.

[F4UCorsair]

I'd like some chinkey prick to act like this on a flight I'm ever on.

They'd get a taste of misterphil's chop suey

That comment puts you in the same quality tourist box as them, nice one

Thanks for the positive feedback. Its very much appreciated.

It seems there were some misterphils on that flight. The news item mentions 'passenger intervention', and post 9/11 that has now occurred a number of times.

I recall an article by an American pilot who said a pilot's greatest tool is the PA system if he's able to use it, because he can incite pax to act against a threat. There are always a few John Wayne types, or mister phils, on board.

Edited December 13, 2014 by F4UCorsair

[Stargeezr]

Is this the face of the young Chinese, since both were in their 20's

it seems they would be better educated, unless their are from the very

rich parents. It seems that the spoiled kids of rich parents have a

different outlook on life then the rest of us.

I hope they got some quality time in prison for their foolishness.

Stargeezer

[mikemac]

If you are ever in a pharmacy in Thailand and you look up and see a hoard of Chinese tourists entering the shop, runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn................................................................

[LawrenceChee]

Having lived and worked in China for almost 5 years, this story does not even surprise me. Yet here is Thailand kissing their backside and trying to lure them here. They are Cheap Charlies as well as nasty and rude.

Let's do the maths shall we .....

2013 - 4 million Chinese Tourists in Thailand & for the simplicity of calculation ....some generalization made

- 93% growth compared year to year to all tourist groups

- 6 million room nights assuming twin sharing and staying an average of 3 nights per trip which means an average of 142,000 Thais have to be hired daily to service 14 rooms each

- assuming cheap charlie rooms of $20 per night that is $120 million in room revenue annually

(all realists and people who work in hospitality knows the Chinese are occupying the best suites in most 5* hotels) so instead of $20 use $175 - $255 per night for the calculation

Assuming all these cheap Charlie's eat at a restaurants as part of a tour group and paying an average of $10 per head which is the norm ...that's $120 million in F&B and of course countless jobs for the cooks and waiters

Assuming 4 million spend an average of $100 a day on shopping which many know if you ever been to Naraya in Bangkok it's probably more that....in 3 days well let's say they are the ones supporting the factories back home as most are made in China and the jobs for retail etc etc and the calculator is out of zeros for the retail numbers

And the most staggering fact the city of Shanghai has 20 million population and at 4 million for the whole of China you have not even scratched the surface

I know I know numbers are more tedious than just being racist and listing ones hates for the Chinese horrible travel habits

The reality is Thailand needs China for its tourism business as it is the right group to attract to fill the hotels and shopping needs and most Chinese don't judge military juntas as harshly as they really don't care

I agree no one needs boorish behavior or thugs and this has to be improved but from a $$$$$$$$ no one is even close to beating the group of "cheap Charlie's" right now

Edited December 14, 2014 by LawrenceChee

[luk AJ]

Just as an interludium, yesterday I came back from Phuket with Thai Air. As always the staff handed out the lunchboxes. Some people complained there was pork meat in the burger. Staff just took out the hamburger and gave the box back with the remaining cookie

[Bluespunk]

Just as an interludium, yesterday I came back from Phuket with Thai Air. As always the staff handed out the lunchboxes. Some people complained there was pork meat in the burger. Staff just took out the hamburger and gave the box back with the remaining cookie

Ah, the vegetarian option.

Edited December 14, 2014 by Bluespunk

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