bkk75 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Love these armchair Experts who seem to have solutions for everything... Ha ha. Not to mention those armchair experts are quick to fall in love with a bar girl, marry, and lose their entire life savings in a blink of an eye. =) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 This hotel is another example of influential persons thinking they are above the law. Just because you pay off a lower city official does not give you the right to go against the law. The law clearly states that the height of the build being constructed is relative to the width of the street and the distance of the building from the street. A lower city official? "...the court found both the Bangkok governor and Pathumwan district office guilty of negligence of duty for granting a permit" Throw everyone who signed off this project in jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rjcampbe Posted December 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2014 Lot of talk about the mechanics of tearing it down. I love to watch a good controlled implosion as much as the next guy but I think I have an an outside the box suggestion that I think makes more sense for everybody. WIDEN THE ROAD. From the numbers in the article, it looks like the road only needs to be .8 meters wider at the narrowest point they measured. Widening the road would take less time and probably cost less than tearing down a brand new building, and the city and residents would end up with a better road when it is done. Requiring infrastructure improvements to be made to a property as part of the process to obtain a building permit is a common practice elsewhere. This would just be "retroactively". The court should fine the briber and bribee equally to cover the cost of the road work and keep the building closed until it's done. Oh... wait... sorry. I was delusional. TIT. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 8 floors=3 years Not so if you bring over experts from Australia. I can arrange that. Reducing from 24 floors to 8 (removing 16 floors). Is the remaining building going to be worth the cost of the dismantlement? What happens if the owners just decide to abandon the hotel to cut their losses? Can the owners sue the BMA for negligence? Just offer the 16 floors to the the Thais who come around collecting the cardboard and scrap metal. I bet they would take care of it.....and give you 500 baht for it........ !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biplanebluey Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 8 floors=3 years Not so if you bring over experts from Australia. I can arrange that. The British know how to get it done also. The top down approach. you still don't get it do you----- its not a complete demolition--- they only want the top half demolished----- why cant they get permission to widen the road-( ITS LESS THAN ONE METRE !!!!)---- with a few more brown envelopes---- and the money can come from the top people that signed the building consent and received money to allow it to happen---- simple really and no cost to BKK residents------come on you guys ,start thinking with youre heads---- the one on youre shoulders not the one in youre pants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 ..........."He said the most suitable method is to use labour and machinery." ................Oh really! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoNavy Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 What if you own a condo in this situation ? My thoughts exactly.....I understand that the builders broke a law but also a government official signed off on it, bribed or not. I would bet that those floors being removed are people's homes, their investment who are getting screwed on this. Bet the government or builders are not giving reimbursements. Talk about waste over what..........half a meter on a street width!!!??? Common sense has gone down the tubes on this. I'm with the guy who said........widen the street. It would be cheaper and more cost effective if it such a big fricking deal. Just one block would do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiready Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I know people in the US could do it in about 10 seconds after a week of prep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I wonder if the 3 years is till there is a new regime which will let it stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 3 years at how much per day? There are farangs with a lot more experience in this field. Are you to proud to ask? Besides what a waste of material and workers efforts !! There must he other solutions, whatever they are ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Pay the neighbours off to widen the road. Cheaper Charlie option no 1. They might as well be bribed as everyone else has. Except me...I am open to bribes. Show me the money. You pay my bar fine??? 555555 You might want to check who the neighbors where that filed the complaint petition in the first place. Indictments for Lese Majeste have been rapant lately, and thats exactly what will happen to anybody that bitches to hard about this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 i totally concur with a previoius poster, WIDEN THE BLOODY ROAD and throw the corrupt officials in jail, dont forget there are innocent people who have bought condos here and are living there, a point missed by all i think, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeysee Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think their plan is to hire some Burmese workers with pick axes to cut it down over a 3 year period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZPA Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 "The most suitable method for deconstruction will be labour and machinery" Wow, it must have taken a long time to study the options and draw that conclusion. I believe a few of the other options were missiles, plastic explosives and a herd of elephants with chains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Pay the neighbours off to widen the road. Or get a new tape measure - 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Three years? Truely Amazing. Truely the Hub of Extended-Time Demolition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjarnMartin Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 "He said the most suitable method is to use labour and machinery." What, as opposed to dynamite???? You couldn't make it up if you tried... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 8 floors=3 years Not so if you bring over experts from Australia. I can arrange that. Hope those experts are better than the ones used to demolish the old Canberra hospital.......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Gambino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 finished now pay me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 This hotel will not be demolished.......it's going to cost more than the construction probably.........and who's going to pay that? But clearly....someone's got their nose out of joint and has an issue with the developer........ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Gambino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 8 floors=3 years Not so if you bring over experts from Australia. I can arrange that. Hope those experts are better than the ones used to demolish the old Canberra hospital.......! That problem still resonates even over here in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 At this stage, the width of the road is immaterial. The respected elderly residents on this road do not want their soi to be clogged up by more residential traffic ... they also get very important visitors to their houses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advocate Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 8 floors=3 years Not so if you bring over experts from Australia. I can arrange that. Reducing from 24 floors to 8 (removing 16 floors). Is the remaining building going to be worth the cost of the dismantlement? What happens if the owners just decide to abandon the hotel to cut their losses? Can the owners sue the BMA for negligence? Corruption was probably involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halion Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Sound like the usual Bangkok Bull sh*t. Knock the whole structure down and sue the BMA for neglegence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Gambino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Take some excess kerbing from Pattaya....say the steps to the Billabong and lay next to road so as to widen road like lazy mommas ass. Charge City for new drainage. Charge Billabong for building alteration. Charge building owner for new road. Charge all the neighbours for new easement even the ones on the other side of the road. Charge road users a road toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Pathetic.we are talking about less than a meter here. There are buildings right next to it much higher. Just the Thai not being able to think out of the box. The reason they say is fire engine cannot get in soi. I assume the other buildings have the entrance from wireless road. Why not make a deal to open a road through. Surely it would be a lot cheaper. And more convenient for the people in soi. The building laws have regulations, but they also allow the district office to be a little flexible and trust them make decisions about small exceptions. Building law is not fixed as different situations require different choices.they really need to think out of the box again. Find a way my dad always used to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 At this stage, the width of the road is immaterial. The respected elderly residents on this road do not want their soi to be clogged up by more residential traffic ... they also get very important visitors to their houses. They didn't mind the other buildings going up. And because of those buildings their property value has skyrocketed. More likely a couple of smaller hotels in competition complaining. Doubt the old people give a rats arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 This hotel is another example of influential persons thinking they are above the law. Just because you pay off a lower city official does not give you the right to go against the law. The law clearly states that the height of the build being constructed is relative to the width of the street and the distance of the building from the street. Whilst I don't disagree with you, this influential person used his influence (read money) to get a Government Official to sign off on the plans, and in doing so, that the road was wide enough for the 24 floor building. It's how the game is played in Thailand. Surely, that signatory should be held accountable. It was ultimately his signature that allowed this hotel to be built. He must pay for knowingly signing an illegal document. A clear message needs to be sent to these bent Government Officials - that if they do not do their job properly, or knowingly sign something incorrectly, that there are consequences. Otherwise it will never stop. Nah!!!! He will be transferred at full pay to an inactive position to protect those above him who took most of the lolly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 This hotel will not be demolished.......it's going to cost more than the construction probably.........and who's going to pay that? But clearly....someone's got their nose out of joint and has an issue with the developer........ Could the developer have the wrong name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanSaiExPat Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 "At present there are 2,000 unfinished, deserted buildings and houses nationwide, 160 of which are in Bangkok." The current business model is to 1) acquire the land 2) do a partial build and 3) wait for the market to catch up to sell. Duh. Geniuses. The whole structure should be ripped down at the owner's expense. Why at the owners expense? I thought the article said the government "powers that be" approved and permitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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