Thai Charter writing: CDC's new political system slammed

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CHARTER WRITING
CDC's new political system slammed
The Nation

Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure; Prayut rejects claims

BANGKOK: -- The new political system proposed by the Constitution Drafting Committee (CDC) is being slammed by critics who say it is only another way to destroy large parties and extend the tenure of General Prayut Chan-o-cha's government.

Prayut, however, yesterday rejected claims that the CDC was writing a charter that would allow him to stay in power or allow a non-MP to become prime minister.

He also ridiculed politicians who accused the charter drafters of trying to help him hang on to his post, saying they were only "indulging their imaginations", adding that the CDC was not that foolish.

The PM also insisted that he would not change the time frame of the National Council for Peace and Order's "road map to democracy" just so he could stay in power longer.

He also thanked Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda for encouraging him to continue working in the country's top executive post.

Prem on Monday lauded Prayut for staging the May 22 coup, saying he had helped bring peace and order back to the country. The statesman was also quoted as saying that Prayut was not a bureaucrat, so he did not need to retire.

Meanwhile, National Reform Council (NRC) member Direk Teungfung voiced concern that the four new political systems proposed by the CDC would weaken democracy and deprive people of power.

'May open door to more conflicts'

The four issues are having an non-elected prime minister; having 200 or almost half of the members of the House of Representatives as party-list MPs, leaving only 250 representing constituencies; not requiring MPs to be under the banner of a political party; and having 200 indirectly elected senators.

Direk said he feared the new political system might give rise to more political conflicts resulting in stronger opposition and more coups.

"Please don't invent more bizarre systems. Many people see these four principles as moves to destroy a party system and to sabotage big parties. It is as if the charter drafters are afraid of ghosts or fear that the previous group of politicians will return to power. The NRC will dissect these principles, once we receive the draft," he said.

Worachai Hema, former Pheu Thai MP for Samut Prakan, agreed that this political system might indeed spark another round of political conflict. He also strongly opposed the idea of a non-elected prime minister and granting too much power to senators who are not directly elected.

"Most people would not accept a Senate that is given the right to screen Cabinet candidates. If the senators are directly elected, then it's a different matter," he said.

He also said the new system would only lead to political instability because it aimed to destroy the party system.

"This charter would be even less democratic than the 2007 Constitution. Also, this charter aims to extend the current government's tenure, because if it is rejected in a public referendum, we will be back to square one of re-establishing the NRC and rewriting the charter. In that case, the interim charter will still be in place," he said.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/CDCs-new-political-system-slammed-30251012.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-31

[Thai at Heart]

Its ok. Some weirdo falangs on here said it's all cool between them and the general.

Screw the usa, the eu and all the rest,

Thai know best.

[Mango Bob]

People need to understand the whole reason for the coup and this new constitution is to limit the power of one political party. Anyone who believes otherwise is fools.

[chainarong]

Unless the people have the right to vote for all positions vacant in the parliament it is nothing other than a upmarket Junta ,where is the reform Democracy , the people of Thailand should be by now voicing their concerns that unelected persons can call the tune in the running of Thailand , this is precisely what you don't need and any idiot can see that this will cause problems in the future, corruption only being one of them, then again the word is - control.

[FangFerang]

Thais may be uneducated, but that has nothing to do with intelligence. Thais are not stupid. We will see a large round of pushes and push backs until things reach an equilibrium. Thais are highly sophisticated, and have a social network that makes American corporate networking look like children playing at playing chess.

Things will stabilize, despite and in spite of power grabbers, foreign influences and foolish commentary.

I see good things ahead for Thailand. I also see all things have a price. It is my dearest hope that price is not too high, nor paid in blood.

Peace and a Happy New Year to all of my human family, here and everywhere.

[whybother]

Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

[seajae]

the ones making the most noise about this are the ptp/reds/thaksin lovers because they know it will stop them from being able to hold sway over the country. Thaksin will be totally peeved with the idea he will not be able to run things in Thailand and all his paid minions are bleating about it for him because they can see an end to their pay packets. Anything that is good for the thai people is not good for thaksin and the ptp/reds.

[Bakseeda]

People need to understand the whole reason for the coup and this new constitution is to limit the power of one political party. Anyone who believes otherwise is fools.

Go back to skool Bob... or cut down on the Chang..!

[rickirs]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

[rubl]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

What you are somehow suggesting is that the CDC should propose the German system which implicitly would abolish the Monarchy. Let's not go in that direction.

[smedly]

Unless the people have the right to vote for all positions vacant in the parliament it is nothing other than a upmarket Junta ,where is the reform Democracy , the people of Thailand should be by now voicing their concerns that unelected persons can call the tune in the running of Thailand , this is precisely what you don't need and any idiot can see that this will cause problems in the future, corruption only being one of them, then again the word is - control.

do you honestly want to have a party like PT sitting in office again after the last debacle - I think not

I could go on but most people understand what they did - tried to do - cost the Thai people and if they had been allowed to continue god knows how it would have ended up - lies - corruption - power abuse on a scale never seen before in this countries recent history, not to mention all at the behest of a billionaire convicted criminal living abroad currently on the run from justice - and he was as everybody knows the defacto PM

[ThaiUser]

Anybody reading this article or for that matter any article on the new charter and the bodies that are supposed to be in charge after power is handed back forgets one thing to consider and that is the people of Thailand.

Do we not have a say in the charter or are these only the groups that make suggestions. Not one interview of the leading figures I have read or listen to seems to put too much emphasis on the opinions and thoughts of the Thai population.

If it is true that the absolute sovereign in a democracy are the people – no matter if we are living in a constitutional monarchy or a republic – maybe it would be worthwhile to include the people into the process of redrafting a new charter because it is them that have to live under it in years to come.

[ThaiUser]

Maybe letting people participate in the process would bring back happiness to Thailand?

Edited December 31, 2014 by ThaiUser

[ThaiUser]

Unless the people have the right to vote for all positions vacant in the parliament it is nothing other than a upmarket Junta ,where is the reform Democracy , the people of Thailand should be by now voicing their concerns that unelected persons can call the tune in the running of Thailand , this is precisely what you don't need and any idiot can see that this will cause problems in the future, corruption only being one of them, then again the word is - control.

do you honestly want to have a party like PT sitting in office again after the last debacle - I think not

I could go on but most people understand what they did - tried to do - cost the Thai people and if they had been allowed to continue god knows how it would have ended up - lies - corruption - power abuse on a scale never seen before in this countries recent history, not to mention all at the behest of a billionaire convicted criminal living abroad currently on the run from justice - and he was as everybody knows the defacto PM

What happened during the spell when we had a Democrat PM? If you like I can provide you with international figures and statistics that under his reign corruption, money laundering and other issues concerning the international community was on the increase. Not symptoms that only pure PT problems.

A change in attitude is required but in this case the change has to start at the top at the social pyramid to show Thai people that being corrupt and dishonest isn’t good for the country and that it will be punished no matter what social group one calls its own. But that requires that everybody is equal in front of the law.

[tbthailand]

Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

come on, this isn't really the German system, right?

[smedly]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

That is all well and good but Thailand is not mature enough to have a full system that you mention above, there is just too much greed - corruption - vote buying and power abuse plus add to that the level of education and it simply wouldn't/doesn't work as history tells us, there is a requirement here for a body to oversee the government and make sure it's interests are with the people and not themselves with the power to remove them when it is required, you also have regional power that steers people in the direction they possibly don't want to go but have little choice especially when it comes to elections, individual rights is imaginary in this country from the get go therefore no true 100% democracy can ever work until it evolves - history doesn't lie - nothing has worked here so far, too many are filling their own pockets at every opportunity

[ThaiUser]

Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

What do you know about the German system? Did you know that the second chamber in Germany - Bundesrat - is an elected chamber according to the vote of the people in the parts of the Federation? The suggestions I have read and have been called the German system are not reflecting how the German system operates however there is plenty of literature that will enable anybody willing to learn to do so.

I don’t even know if the German system could be applied in Thailand sins we have a centralised Government, Police force which to a certain extend in Germany doesn’t exist. Regional Governments decide about education, police matters, finances etc and the central Government is only involved in matters that concern the whole of Germany.

[Thai at Heart]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

That is all well and good but Thailand is not mature enough to have a full system that you mention above, there is just too much greed - corruption - vote buying and power abuse plus add to that the level of education and it simply wouldn't/doesn't work as history tells us, there is a requirement here for a body to oversee the government and make sure it's interests are with the people and not themselves with the power to remove them when it is required, you also have regional power that steers people in the direction they possibly don't want to go but have little choice especially when it comes to elections, individual rights is imaginary in this country from the get go therefore no true 100% democracy can ever work until it evolves - history doesn't lie - nothing has worked here so far, too many are filling their own pockets at every opportunity

Then the issue is not the parliament but corruption.

Without reforming the legal justice system, nothing will change. I read last week that in Hong Kong the deputy head of the legislature got 6 years for corruption.

Thailand needs the same on all sides.

[chainarong]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

Just my point the mechanism needs to be changed in line with UK if you retain the Monarchy, if you want to get rid the military (555) , this model the CDC proposes empowers the military more , if you vote in 200 Generals.

[chainarong]

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Unless the people have the right to vote for all positions vacant in the parliament it is nothing other than a upmarket Junta ,where is the reform Democracy , the people of Thailand should be by now voicing their concerns that unelected persons can call the tune in the running of Thailand , this is precisely what you don't need and any idiot can see that this will cause problems in the future, corruption only being one of them, then again the word is - control. width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

do you honestly want to have a party like PT sitting in office again after the last debacle - I think not

I could go on but most people understand what they did - tried to do - cost the Thai people and if they had been allowed to continue god knows how it would have ended up - lies - corruption - power abuse on a scale never seen before in this countries recent history, not to mention all at the behest of a billionaire convicted criminal living abroad currently on the run from justice - and he was as everybody knows the defacto PM

What do you want unrepresented rabble running the place or Elected representatives of the people by the people , obviously you don't back reforms or democracy if you go for the CDC version , there is no Democracy in this model , let the Thai people decide, this wasn't a part of the original debate on reforms .

[ThaiUser]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

I don’t know if you just ignorant or try to spread misinformation. The last time a German chancellor was head of state and head of government was decades back and that man was called Hitler.

Germany has a President – the head of state – and a chancellor the head of the executive. The elected chambers in Germany are called – Bundestag – elected during a national elections and the Bundesrat that represents the member states of the Federation and their regional governments, which are elected during regional elections that don’t fall together with the national elections.

The German head of state – President – is elected by both chambers the Bundestag and the Bundesrat. It means that a President doesn’t have to necessarily coming from the same party as the current government party – it has happened in Germany in the past.

To pass laws in Germany they have to pass the Bundestag in first, second and third reading and every time they have to be passed to the Bundesrat to get approval there too and once that is settled they are placed in front of the President that has to sign them to enable these laws.

I don’t know where you got your information from but you are 100% of the mark.

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Unless the people have the right to vote for all positions vacant in the parliament it is nothing other than a upmarket Junta ,where is the reform Democracy , the people of Thailand should be by now voicing their concerns that unelected persons can call the tune in the running of Thailand , this is precisely what you don't need and any idiot can see that this will cause problems in the future, corruption only being one of them, then again the word is - control.

do you honestly want to have a party like PT sitting in office again after the last debacle - I think not

I could go on but most people understand what they did - tried to do - cost the Thai people and if they had been allowed to continue god knows how it would have ended up - lies - corruption - power abuse on a scale never seen before in this countries recent history, not to mention all at the behest of a billionaire convicted criminal living abroad currently on the run from justice - and he was as everybody knows the defacto PM

I didn't read chainarong's post as advocating Taksin should have been allowed to continue his go at the trough. I do wish posters would get over him, it's boring and not at all pertinent to where this country goes from here.

Chainarong does indeed raise some very salient points in that the people of Thailand, who appear to be a side issue as far as all players/posters are concerned, do not now have a voice as to how their country should be run. There will therefore of course be problems the longer this situation is allowed to continue. How can it be otherwise? How many countries of Thailand's similar good standing have allowed themselves to be controlled/surpressed in perpetuity? North Korea and certain African countries were always undeveloped and therefore vulnerable to this type of mass takeover. Doubt the Thais would stand for being pushed too far once ever more draconian measures by a drunk with power mob (of whichever stripe) inevitably step over the line.

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

I don’t know if you just ignorant or try to spread misinformation. The last time a German chancellor was head of state and head of government was decades back and that man was called Hitler.

Germany has a President – the head of state – and a chancellor the head of the executive. The elected chambers in Germany are called – Bundestag – elected during a national elections and the Bundesrat that represents the member states of the Federation and their regional governments, which are elected during regional elections that don’t fall together with the national elections.

The German head of state – President – is elected by both chambers the Bundestag and the Bundesrat. It means that a President doesn’t have to necessarily coming from the same party as the current government party – it has happened in Germany in the past.

To pass laws in Germany they have to pass the Bundestag in first, second and third reading and every time they have to be passed to the Bundesrat to get approval there too and once that is settled they are placed in front of the President that has to sign them to enable these laws.

I don’t know where you got your information from but you are 100% of the mark.

The flaw in your otherwise reasoned argument is that Germany is a Republic with a President who can be voted out of power. Not quite apples and oranges. Is it.

[whybother]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

My comment was in relation to the MMP portion. That's the only part of the proposed system that the Germans are using.

[ThaiUser]

The flaw in your otherwise reasoned argument is that Germany is a Republic with a President who can be voted out of power. Not quite apples and oranges. Is it.

#23

I agree with you on that, however it wouldn't make a difference if you replace the President with a Monarch since the political power is restricted and laws are made in Parliament/Bundestag and Bundesrat. Sweden, Norway, Holland etc are examples that it works. At this moment in time in Germany the two political parties (heavy weights) form a coalition government because none of them alone could govern or build a coalition with other parties. Can you see that happening in Thailand? As Thai I can't because it would mean they would have to build a consensus and that isn't in their nature as sad as I find it.

[whybother]

Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

come on, this isn't really the German system, right?

The MMP part is the German system.

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The flaw in your otherwise reasoned argument is that Germany is a Republic with a President who can be voted out of power. Not quite apples and oranges. Is it.

#23

I agree with you on that, however it wouldn't make a difference if you replace the President with a Monarch since the political power is restricted and laws are made in Parliament/Bundestag and Bundesrat. Sweden, Norway, Holland etc are examples that it works. At this moment in time in Germany the two political parties (heavy weights) form a coalition government because none of them alone could govern or build a coalition with other parties. Can you see that happening in Thailand? As Thai I can't because it would mean they would have to build a consensus and that isn't in their nature as sad as I find it.

The monarchy in the countries you cite aren't primarily upheld by the countries' military. If you get my drift.

And:

A change in attitude is required but in this case the change has to start at the top at the social pyramid to show Thai people that being corrupt and dishonest isn’t good for the country and that it will be punished no matter what social group one calls its own. But that requires that everybody is equal in front of the law.

Impossible here for obvious reasons.

[ThaiUser]

#27

Your first point:

I don't believe that the monarchy is primarily upheld by military and I am convinced that we Thais still would have a Monarchy in case our military would disappear.

Your second point:

According to our previous constitution everybody was equal on front of the law, the problem was it wasn't enforced.

[jcisco]

Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

Thats a gross excuse for argument, in fact it is beneath you. Care to explain how german electoral systems are relevant to the desire of the Thai people it would appear to avoid having to rely anything but the vote. More simply, to decide on the system that works for them, not dependent on "Good People" Or the powers that be?

I could be wrong, though it appears to be the case that Germany is not Thailand, nor is Thailand a clone of Germany now or at anytime.

Edited December 31, 2014 by jcisco

[jcisco]

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Critics see proposal as a move to extend junta's tenure;

That's why the Germans use the system, right?

I can't tell the direction of your comment. It could be read in support of or and against the thread. If one notes some of the major differences between Germany's electoral system and the CDC/NCR proposed electoral system, your comment may be perplexing at best. The CDC is not recommending full adoption of the German system of government for Thailand.

There is no German monarchy as Head of State - unlike Thailand. That means the German military is under the control of the German government with the Chancellor as both Head of State and Head of Government. There is no mechanism by which the military can operate independently to overthrow the government - unlike Thailand.

The German legislature is single body and 100% elected. There is no Senate and House as proposed by the CDC. The CDC proposal is to adopt the MMP only for directly electing MP's in the House but require an appointed Senate.

The German Head of State/Head of Government is elected by the legislature, usually through a political party coalition. The CDC will allow a nonparty PM to come "legally" to power with no mention as to the mechanism or process to such ascedency but a military coup would be consistent with such as action - unlike German's electroral system.

it would be very ambitious and brave if the CDC did fully adopt the German electoral system. But being a creature of the NCPO, it can only be expected to accomodate its current masters.

What you are somehow suggesting is that the CDC should propose the German system which implicitly would abolish the Monarchy. Let's not go in that direction.

No what it means is that the Monarchy is no longer involved in the political system, as a component. The Monarchy would not otherwise cease to exist, its kinda strange to imagine the two are dependent on the other.