French man found hanged in Koh Tao with his hands tied behind his back – foul play suspected

[Scully]

The apologists as always are all over this.

None will state their connections with either RTP or death island business.

Very strange.

BTW, most people think the other B2 investigation is a joke

Maybe because it is delusional and paranoid to believe people who don't agree with a conspiracy theory are government agents or affiliated with them. Be like saying those who believe the accused or innocent must be related to them or being paid by their embassy ... this isn't speculation but rather a serious case paranoia and taking conspiracy theories to an even more cartoonish level

Fail to see the conspiracy theory, the article says the guy was hung with his hands tied behind his back. It states they thought suicide until further inspection, you are the theorist. The worrying thing is, posters predicted a few certain posters would be here defending any wrongdoing on the island and like the sun and the moon one arrives.

Yes "worrying" that posters predicted some folks would come along and say we don't know cause all the facts are in while sharing what is common knowledge for those experienced in suicides that it is not uncommon for victims to tie their hands or even tape their mouths before hanging themselves ... in other words don't jump to any conclusion.

Not sure why you think it is "worrying" that people have come along as predicted to bring common sense and reasoning to the thread.

And yes, without any doubt it is either delusional, paranoid or just disingenuous for anyone to suggest somebody posting here is a government agent or affiliated with the government because of posting on this thread.

No, worrying that your common sense is far from objective in fact it is just highly predictable. I have many views on many matters and realise everything isn't black and white, you just have blinkers on.

You came to the topic with an agenda and I'm sure there will be others along too. Agreed some super sleuth's go a bit far but to dismiss everything like yourself to me is odd.

As for the government agent crap I don't know what your on about?.

[Commerce]

Picked from one of hes friends statements to share with you all for me it seems they do know something we dont!! Here what he/she commented:

I don't have words to describe the kind of person you all are... It was a suicide, period. The friends and the police are sure. No more quetions, is not a murder! You don't have any right to make this pictures public!! Any right!! Let the people is crying for him alone!!! Is sad enough, we don't need you in this!! Take out this pictures of your stupid investigation Facebook!! If you are a human been, take it out!

Just to reminder to all you t-shirt sellers and other clearly bored and rude invidituals with out no respect for dead people.

Hope all you rope analysts and other bashers are feeling good for your self at mo .

Im quessing all victims friends and family are mortified of all bs u can read here and other forums.

They getting very upset bcase all what people are spreading are clearly far from truth.

And imagine if u would loose loved one ,first u dont need these bloody photos or even worst bunch of conspiracy theorist spin it all upside down. With out no real knowledge

My thoughts are with he's family and friends. Hope some of you here will focus your boredom to something good

Rip

Written by your favorite island apologist...

Where did you get the info regarding the family?. Why is their English writing ability as terrible as yours?. Please provide a link, or a way of searching so if true I can respect their wishes. If it's a load of crap you made up them shame on you.

Islandlfe lives on Koh Tao, has done for 10 years. However seeing as the autopsy has not even been performed yet then its impossible for anyone to be satisfied that its a real suicide even if it is close family or friends

I thought the relatives request was quite clear

Hope all you rope analysts and other bashers are feeling good for your self at mo .

Im quessing all victims friends and family are mortified of all bs u can read here and other forums.

Guessing is clear to you?

Its terrible im quessing bcase they who written that comment is French and English not the first language. Like aint myne either.

Also meny times writing upset or even worst after terrible loss of friend or family member pretty shure correct grammar aint first in mind.

Yes. Im pretty shure that there is no faul play as have heard this from several sources including people close to subject.

Agree with Chilli hundred % ,please take the picks down and stop spreading your own views when dont have slightest idea of enything what have happened.

Is that really your best attempt at writing bad English? Me thinks somebody's had a few.

[mynameisphil]

Ever tried to tie your own hands behind your back? Why would anybody even consider it is suicide because of that?

Suicidal hanging cases where the victim’s hands were tied behind his back, thus preventing any attempt to save himself, are extremely rare .

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

Quick Google, 17/72 hanging cases in this study, pretty surprising. (Contains pics, be warned)

Unfortunately I had a friend hang himself years ago and he tied his hands so he couldn't back out of it.

I'd hazard a guess at murder hangings being rarer than suicides with hands tied.

That said, this case is suspicious obviously, for me the cuts etc..

[loonodingle]

A good friend of mine was found hanging in Thailand. He had just sold his house and was going to the UK in a few days. Verdict Suicide. I heard some cock and bull story on the news that was B/S.

We will never know the truth.

[kingalfred]

Koh " death" Tao. Time to make a movie of it.

[kriswillems]

Is it possible to tie your own hands behind your back. They look like they were tied very tightly. How would one do that?

[clownsyndrome]

Maybe the Koh Tao police are too scared to rule suicide this time, even with a motive ..because they realise that everyone will state otherwise

[clownsyndrome]

Is it possible to tie your own hands behind your back. They look like they were tied very tightly. How would one do that?

You don't need to tie behind your back.. work it out

[JohnThailandJohn]

Islandlfe lives on Koh Tao, has done for 10 years. However seeing as the autopsy has not even been performed yet then its impossible for anyone to be satisfied that its a real suicide even if it is close family or friends

A close family or friend may very well know with almost certainty it was a suicide without an autopsy. Not saying one should not be performed and things should be solely based on family or friends but the statement of family and friends are weighted very heavily to confirm suicide. While some cases it takes family by surprise and they will be in denial partly since suicides often leave questions of exactly how they were committed but other times the person has a history of depression, hurting themselves, mental conditions or maybe had made comments that family or friends didn't pick-up on initially. Bottom line is "IF" family and friends believe at this point it is a suicide, unless they were involved in a murder, they probably are right but again, this isn't proof and an investigation needs to be completed but it would be a very strong indication "IF" this is the case.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[surangw]

maybe it was that his heart stopped, that seems to be the official story many times

[MJP]

Ever tried to tie your own hands behind your back? Why would anybody even consider it is suicide because of that?

Suicidal hanging cases where the victim’s hands were tied behind his back, thus preventing any attempt to save himself, are extremely rare .

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

Quick Google, 17/72 hanging cases in this study, pretty surprising. (Contains pics, be warned)

Unfortunately I had a friend hang himself years ago and he tied his hands so he couldn't back out of it.

I'd hazard a guess at murder hangings being rarer than suicides with hands tied.

That said, this case is suspicious obviously, for me the cuts etc..

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

Edited January 3, 2015 by MJP

[thailandchilli]

Islandlfe lives on Koh Tao, has done for 10 years. However seeing as the autopsy has not even been performed yet then its impossible for anyone to be satisfied that its a real suicide even if it is close family or friends

A close family or friend may very well know with almost certainty it was a suicide without an autopsy. Not saying one should not be performed and things should be solely based on family or friends but the statement of family and friends are weighted very heavily to confirm suicide. While some cases it takes family by surprise and they will be in denial partly since suicides often leave questions of exactly how they were committed but other times the person has a history of depression, hurting themselves, mental conditions or maybe had made comments that family or friends didn't pick-up on initially. Bottom line is "IF" family and friends believe at this point it is a suicide, unless they were involved in a murder, they probably are right but again, this isn't proof and an investigation needs to be completed but it would be a very strong indication "IF" this is the case.

Agreed, my concern however is the RTP investigation on this. But first step is the autopsy report that needs to be completed

[JohnThailandJohn]

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

I'd ask for the link but seems distasteful now... plus really just wondered if there was a chair knocked over or some other means visible of how he may have got up to hung himself.

And yes, another thing not uncommon would be self inflected wounds and not being able to go through with it -- would also explain why he may have tied his hands.

[MJP]

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

I'd ask for the link but seems distasteful now... plus really just wondered if there was a chair knocked over or some other means visible of how he may have got up to hung himself.

And yes, another thing not uncommon would be self inflected wounds and not being able to go through with it -- would also explain why he may have tied his hands.

It still needs proper scrutiny though, especially considering the other recent cases on Koh Tao.

[cosmont]

Of course he found Koh Tao Heaven a good place to die same maybe the 2 Brits !!!

Sure the police will find out that some burmeses had attached his hands after he died from suicide... Case closed !

RIP poor fellow

[mynameisphil]

Ever tried to tie your own hands behind your back? Why would anybody even consider it is suicide because of that?

Suicidal hanging cases where the victim’s hands were tied behind his back, thus preventing any attempt to save himself, are extremely rare .

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

Quick Google, 17/72 hanging cases in this study, pretty surprising. (Contains pics, be warned)

Unfortunately I had a friend hang himself years ago and he tied his hands so he couldn't back out of it.

I'd hazard a guess at murder hangings being rarer than suicides with hands tied.

That said, this case is suspicious obviously, for me the cuts etc..

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

Yeah, I think suicide is actually more likely than murder.

The two cuts were on the wrist and just below the elbow joint, pretty much where you'd go at your veins I'd imagine, and just a few cm each. Not that I know much more than the typical CSI viewer.

Hope this doesn't come across as thoughtless or offensive, but I would guess the guy had a go at nicking his veins but realised the pain and nastiness of it would be a bit much, and so hung himself.

[Islandlife]

Picked from one of hes friends statements to share with you all for me it seems they do know something we dont!! Here what he/she commented:

I don't have words to describe the kind of person you all are... It was a suicide, period. The friends and the police are sure. No more quetions, is not a murder! You don't have any right to make this pictures public!! Any right!! Let the people is crying for him alone!!! Is sad enough, we don't need you in this!! Take out this pictures of your stupid investigation Facebook!! If you are a human been, take it out!

Just to reminder to all you t-shirt sellers and other clearly bored and rude invidituals with out no respect for dead people.

Hope all you rope analysts and other bashers are feeling good for your self at mo .

Im quessing all victims friends and family are mortified of all bs u can read here and other forums.

They getting very upset bcase all what people are spreading are clearly far from truth.

And imagine if u would loose loved one ,first u dont need these bloody photos or even worst bunch of conspiracy theorist spin it all upside down. With out no real knowledge

My thoughts are with he's family and friends. Hope some of you here will focus your boredom to something good

Rip

Written by your favorite island apologist...

Where did you get the info regarding the family?. Why is their English writing ability as terrible as yours?. Please provide a link, or a way of searching so if true I can respect their wishes. If it's a load of crap you made up them shame on you.

Islandlfe lives on Koh Tao, has done for 10 years. However seeing as the autopsy has not even been performed yet then its impossible for anyone to be satisfied that its a real suicide even if it is close family or friends

I thought the relatives request was quite clear

Hope all you rope analysts and other bashers are feeling good for your self at mo .

Im quessing all victims friends and family are mortified of all bs u can read here and other forums.

Guessing is clear to you?

Its terrible im quessing bcase they who written that comment is French and English not the first language. Like aint myne either.

Also meny times writing upset or even worst after terrible loss of friend or family member pretty shure correct grammar aint first in mind.

Yes. Im pretty shure that there is no faul play as have heard this from several sources including people close to subject.

Agree with Chilli hundred % ,please take the picks down and stop spreading your own views when dont have slightest idea of enything what have happened.

Is that really your best attempt at writing bad English? Me thinks somebody's had a few.

Why would someone attemp to write bad English?? Im certain i write better when drunk as then dont think to think way 2 much what saying.

Springs to mind what does this have to do with topic?

[transam]

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

I'd ask for the link but seems distasteful now... plus really just wondered if there was a chair knocked over or some other means visible of how he may have got up to hung himself.

And yes, another thing not uncommon would be self inflected wounds and not being able to go through with it -- would also explain why he may have tied his hands.

behind his back... ..gawd 'elp us sane folk.......

[MJP]

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

I'd ask for the link but seems distasteful now... plus really just wondered if there was a chair knocked over or some other means visible of how he may have got up to hung himself.

And yes, another thing not uncommon would be self inflected wounds and not being able to go through with it -- would also explain why he may have tied his hands.

behind his back... ..gawd 'elp us sane folk.......

T, although I don't believe a word of the Hannah and David case, this does actually look like suicide.

Guess we'll just have to wait for another report.

[dbrenn]

Maybe he tied his own hands behind his back before he hung himself, or maybe the cops are making it up as they go along.

Things like this happen in Thailand

[JohnThailandJohn]

Having looked at photos from the crime scene now, I'm actually not convinced this is anything other than suicide.

• Cuts could be self harm, an initial attempt at suicide before deciding on another method;
• There seem to be no signs of a struggle;
• From what I can make out, the hands are not tied tight together behind the back;
• The victims sarong or towel or whatever that is, is undisturbed and worn neatly.

I would not recommend others to look at these images, they are distressing.

So perhaps it is right to hold back judgement on this?

I'd ask for the link but seems distasteful now... plus really just wondered if there was a chair knocked over or some other means visible of how he may have got up to hung himself.

And yes, another thing not uncommon would be self inflected wounds and not being able to go through with it -- would also explain why he may have tied his hands.

behind his back... ..gawd 'elp us sane folk.......

Might want to check the links provided in this thread as well as maybe an internet search before ruling out suicide based on hands being tied behind his back since it is not all that uncommon of a thing to do before hanging oneself.

Edit: For some examples: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/788835-french-man-found-hanged-in-koh-tao-with-his-hands-tied-behind-his-back-foul-play-suspected/page-11#entry8889279

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[kriswillems]

Is it possible to tie your own hands behind your back. They look like they were tied very tightly. How would one do that?

You don't need to tie behind your back.. work it out

Please explain.

[BritTim]

Without a) the lacerations in the body the photos of the deceased c) the prior MO given by a person, graphic enough to match the scene or d) a mystery frenchman providing a testimony on prev. mentioned related case - I'd given some benefit of doubt for the situation. So far the original leaks came from (Khaw or ข่าว) Thailand Online, and a Burmese democracy blogger - the photographer is still unknown. There appears to be some officials one might want to have a word in the background of the photo with the hands tied behind his back (included)

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Jabis, my memory is getting frail, but did I not recently read that there was a witness to the recent Koh Tao murders and that this was a Frenchman?

Or am I imagining that?

http://friendsinthailand.com/2014/09/23/frenchman-can-id-killers-molestation-witness-in-protective-custody/

Was later claimed that this was referring to Sean McAnna, but the date is wrong by a day and almost everything else conflicts with what Sean himself says.

[sgtsabai]

I've been on the scene of more than one suicide, plus a bunch of dead folks, "J" troll have you? I was the investigating officer on one as I stated earlier. More information is needed, in particular how the hands were tied, how was the "crime" scene protected, yes it is a crime scene until determined otherwise, etc. None of us can make a conclusion based on what evidence we have been shown and minds should stay open. That being said, it happened on KT where a murderer may or may not have returned. Wasn't his first, won't be his last and all you island people damn well know it and know who it is. As I said before, I wouldn't trust the KT keystone cops to investigate a leaky toilet, nor anyone that defends them.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Maybe he tied his own hands behind his back before he hung himself, or maybe the cops are making it up as they go along.

Things like this happen in Thailand

??? What do you mean the police may be making it up? The police tied his hand behind his back to make a suicide look like a murder or lied about his hands being tied behind his back to make it look like a suicide or that nobody really died?

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[clownsyndrome]

T, although I don't believe a word of the Hannah and David case, this does actually look like suicide.

Yes this is spot on. There's a clear motive and I doubt a murderer wd do it in the open like that.

Its very obviously a suicide

[MJP]

T, although I don't believe a word of the Hannah and David case, this does actually look like suicide.

Yes this is spot on. There's a clear motive and I doubt a murderer wd do it in the open like that.

Its very obviously a suicide

This awfully sad situation needs proper investigation. But on outward appearances I would not jump to the conclusion this is murder. Still can't blame folks for being suspicious.

[uptheos]

STOP! with the Burmese jokes for God's sake.......any Idea how stupid you come across as being?

+1

[djjamie]

STOP! with the Burmese jokes for God's sake.......any Idea how stupid you come across as being?

+1

+2

[Scully]

It is all in your imagination or what might be described as delusions. No agenda except to point out we don't have all the facts and that it is not uncommon for victims of hangings to tie their hands. I have never made any statement even remotely close to saying this was a suicide or a murder or not a murder but have simply not ruled anything out at this point.

Given what I have seen reported so far (may not have seen it all), nobody here can be objective on the means of death in this case if they are confident of this being a murder or suicide. Nothing wrong with speculating as I stated before but to believe anything confidently at this point just shows an agenda or the result of an emotional condition.

By definition I am being extremely objective.

Objective

1.

(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

When people know exactly what your opinion is going to be before you post then that is not objective, it's predictable. My opinion is based upon all the other OP's where you side with anything and everything which is Thai authority.

This case could well be suicide but it is also equally, given all the circumstances likely be murder. We may never know as so many times authorities cover it up, this is how you justify your arguments because if officialdom says so, then it must be true.

Anyway I truly hope its suicide and it was his choice.