webfact Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 STOPPAGE TIMEBack from holidays? Now hang on to your seatsBANGKOK: -- Into the fire, here we come. The New Year holidays were a short-lived reprieve, when we hung briefly in the air after somersaulting out of the frying pan.The impeachment cases against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra, former Parliament president Somsak Kiatsuranont and his deputy Nikom Wairatpanij have not gone anywhere. In fact, they can get into full gear within the next 24 hours.The biggest question is not whether the trio will be impeached or not. The answer(s) to that should come by the end of this month and there are not many scenarios. The biggest question is what will happen if they are impeached - or not. As we all know, Thai politics is a crazy web of interconnections, and anything can be a catalyst for an upheaval.Let's tackle the smaller question first. Will any of them be impeached? There are a few scenarios:A - All three will be found guilty.B - All three will be acquitted.C - Yingluck will be found guilty but Somsak and Nikom will be acquitted.D - Yingluck will escape impeachment but Somsak and Nikom won't.(It's logical to assume that Somsak and Nikom will be impeached or acquitted together because they practically face the same charges of trying to overthrow Thailand's political system.)We might see so-called "technical acquittals", meant to soothe the pro-guilty camp. A minimum of 132 votes out of 220 are needed to impeach, so Yingluck or Somsak or Nikom can get away with 131 "guilty" votes or fewer. Acquittals with high numbers of guilty votes would presumably keep one camp from boiling over while preventing the other side from getting too jubilant. In other words, "technical acquittals" should, hopefully, make anti-Thaksinites refrain from demanding interim Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha's head and the other camp less vocal in asking him why he staged the coup last May in the first place.("Aren't there technical impeachments?" you wonder. In the Thai political context, impeachment is impeachment. So, the answer is "no". I mean, when the referee says it's a goal, it's a goal, no matter what.)It's not as easy to predict what will transpire in the aftermath of the interim legislature's rulings. Ones don't need to be experts to know that either "A" or "B" will have great ramifications one way or another. Just exactly how big the impact will be depends on so many things, not least Prayut's eagerness to clamp down on dissent."C" and "D" will also be quite problematic. Politically, "C" equals "A" in terms of impact because Yingluck is the main focus. If she is impeached, it doesn't quite matter whether Somsak and Nikom go down with the ship or not. The red shirts won't set off fireworks if she is found guilty while the two men are not. If, however, Somsak and Nikom are impeached but she survives, as in Scenario "D", the red shirts will uncork their champagne.Still, "D" equals "B" as far as the other camp is concerned. They won't set off fireworks if the men are found guilty while she is not. And, of course, the champagne will be uncorked if she is impeached, regardless of what happens to Somsak and Nikom.Here's the thing, though. We have been made to pay too much attention on the persons instead of the allegations. Somsak and Nikom, in fact, face more severe charges than Yingluck, ones that weigh badly on the Pheu Thai Party. Her case concerns corruption, albeit at a staggering level, but the men's case involved alleged efforts to topple the political system. If Somsak and Nikom are found guilty, Pheu Thai will find it hard to escape responsibility, and a new political ball can be set rolling.There are indications, however, that it's not easy to find 132 interim Parliament votes to impeach the two men. It was a close call already when the appointed legislators decided to begin impeachment proceedings against them. The case of Somsak and Nikom is very much political and has stirred a bitter ideological debate on whether an unelected legislature should tell an elected Parliament what to do. Compared to this, Yingluck's case is a primary-school test involving fiscal money, the amounts of rice sold, lost or poorly stored.So January will set the tone for the whole year. It's also worth noting that the impeachment case against Yingluck will affect her related criminal case, which the National Anti-Corruption Commission looks likely to pursue unilaterally. Since the public prosecutors are reluctant to join hands with the NACC in taking her to court for alleged corruption in the rice-pledging scheme, a "guilty" or "not guilty" verdict by the interim parliament will have added significance.If impeached, Yingluck could be banned from politics, depending on the new Constitution. If the Supreme Court's political division convicts her, she could end up in jail. Or she could be home free. It doesn't matter what happens, really, because, either way, we all will have to tighten our seatbelts.Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Back-from-holidays-Now-hang-on-to-your-seats-30251324.html-- The Nation 2015-01-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thai at Heart Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2015 The NLA will judge whether people attempted to overturn the political system of the country? Could the pot get any darker? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Preposterous waste of time by the Thai press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Whos running the book on this and whats the odds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopthegreed Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Why can't a simple question be asked, and answered. How did her finances and assets, rise astronomacly during her time in Government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakseeda Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Who really cares..? Next please.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Just how many scare stories have the media played up over the years. This will go quietly as most does as all sides are protest fatigue and will not risk their lives when martial law still in placed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Just a comment that while making no judgement on the content The Nation is as in this case capable of turning in a well written and clearly thought out article. It makes a refreshing change, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Let's tackle the smaller question first. Will any of them be impeached? There are a few scenarios:A - All three will be found guilty. B - All three will be acquitted. C - Yingluck will be found guilty but Somsak and Nikom will be acquitted. D - Yingluck will escape impeachment but Somsak and Nikom won't. How about,... nobody in power will ever get punished,.... and live goes on.... business as usual for the Elite, moving on to more brainwashing tactics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I've been going with "D" for a while now ... deals have already been made, same as with her brother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Why can't a simple question be asked, and answered. How did her finances and assets, rise astronomacly during her time in Government? These are her audited finances, so if thry can't find the answer to that, then there really is something wrong. The stock market and property went up? Duh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Why can't a simple question be asked, and answered. How did her finances and assets, rise astronomacly during her time in Government? These are her audited finances, so if thry can't find the answer to that, then there really is something wrong. The stock market and property went up? Duh.... I agree it was a foolish comment.In any case even her enemies (save a few rednecks on this forum) don't usually accuse her of personal corruption, mor incompetence and mismanagement.Based on an initial net worth of about Bt 600 million (from memory) an increase of Bt 33 million is perfectly reasonable during her tenure in office given that most of her wealth was in stocks and her period as PM coincided with a booming SET. Strange that the usual suspects agonise about the wealth of business people whose prosperity is easily accounted for when they remain strangely silent at the huge wealth of poorly paid public servants whose prosperity is not easily accounted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Why can't a simple question be asked, and answered. How did her finances and assets, rise astronomacly during her time in Government? Have it occured to you that the stock market rose from about 700 to 1,500 pts and SC Assets share increased double digit last 3 years. She also have been cleared by SET commission of any wrong doings. I hope you are thinking for yourself and not follow what some of the other regular TVF critics are harping or rather rumouring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I've been going with "D" for a while now ... deals have already been made, same as with her brother. Agree she is guilty but a deal has been made, Thaksin tells redshirts not to protest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 'Ones don't need to be experts ...'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hmmmmm.... An assembly appointed by the junta judging people for trying to topple the political system. It looks like a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Why can't a simple question be asked, and answered. How did her finances and assets, rise astronomacly during her time in Government? What's that got to do with this ? Its about her being negligent in carrying out her duties, A. That she was put in place by the electorate to do on their behalf and B. That she took on herself as chair of the rice pledging committee. This is not about deciding corruption, that will come later and will not be decided by the NLA but by the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders if and when a case is taken before them either by the AOG or the NACC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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