Thai workers' rights abused on Israel farms: HRW

[mania]

If an immigrant does not like the working conditions of another or host country then stay the f home. No one is holding a gun to their heads, forcing them to go elsewhere and forcing them to work for crap wages in bad conditions. Free market dictates employee worth to some degree. Why does someone with no education, very little skills and poor communication skills go to a different country and expect any different?

Perhaps this is even better than what they get in their own country.

Ummm actually it is a form of Human labor trafficking

As a lawyer I thought you would know that?

As to why they would leave their country ...same as many

Especially if your a hungry person & folks offer something far better than you can get at home you accept if all looks fine

Which it always does...Not too mention folks of their own race entice them...for a fee against future wages of course

As to why they do not leave? Same as most human trafficking cases...labor or otherwise many times their passports are taken upon arrival

under various false claims.

Yes it is sad that they do not see any options but this is why they recruit from the countries they do.

They arrive do not speak the language..have no friends no family...not so easy to run to a consulate & say help me.

But again you play a lawyer on TV no? I would think you know of many such cases?

Here is a recent one of well over 200 Thai workers in Hawaii

http://www1.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/brochure-human_trafficking.cfm?renderforprint=1

http://www.eturbonews.com/30648/slavery-and-human-trafficking-legal-united-states

http://ciw-online.org/blog/2010/09/global_horizons_prosecution/

Edited January 21, 2015 by mania

[anon022]

Not just Palestinians then, was to be expected, what else is new? Aren't they God's chosen ones?

[Jingthing]

Not just Palestinians then, was to be expected, what else is new? Aren't they God's chosen ones?

That's the widely used antisemitic trope used by those without the slightest understanding of the actual meaning of "chosen" in the Jewish context.

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[Jay Sata]

The issue here is the widespread use of cheap Thai labour in Israeli agriculture.

The quick fix is highlighting the abuse so UK and western supermarkets will no longer buy from these farms.

Social media is such now than a farm can be identified and ostracised in a couple of days.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Jay Sata

[konying]

The issue here is the widespread use of cheap Thai labour in Israeli agriculture.

The quick fix is highlighting the abuse so UK and western supermarkets will no longer buy from these farms.

Social media is such now than a farm can be identified and ostracised in a couple of days.

Is that the issue? Do tell what polish and Albanians get paid in UK ?

[Eliot Rosewater]

Well, worldwide that's the case with most migrant farm workers. Are Burmese, Cambodians and Laotians working in Thai agricultural fields treated better or worse than the Thais working in Israel? And, is the mistreatment illegal in Israel, but legal in Thailand?

Read the heading and the post - this is about Thais in Israel

And when the THAIS IN ISRAEL feel mistreated they can count their lucky stars that they are not Burmese slaves working on a Thai fishing boat

[Jingthing]

For those who are clearly infected by a toxic strain of Jew hatred may I suggest not visiting the lovely land of Israel.

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[Jay Sata]

The issue here is the widespread use of cheap Thai labour in Israeli agriculture.

The quick fix is highlighting the abuse so UK and western supermarkets will no longer buy from these farms.

Social media is such now than a farm can be identified and ostracised in a couple of days.

Is that the issue? Do tell what polish and Albanians get paid in UK ?

Foreign workers in the UK are paid the UK minimum wage at worst. They are also protected by UK law which prevents exploitation.

Thai labour is used in Israel on farms etc because it is cheap and unregulated.

Any supermarket buying produce from farms exploiting labour can now be identified quickly.

I hope no one on here supports labour exploitation anywhere in then world..

I would hope as well that the supermarket boycott of produce from occupied territories is maintained.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Jay Sata

[konying]

The issue here is the widespread use of cheap Thai labour in Israeli agriculture.

The quick fix is highlighting the abuse so UK and western supermarkets will no longer buy from these farms.

Social media is such now than a farm can be identified and ostracised in a couple of days.

Is that the issue? Do tell what polish and Albanians get paid in UK ?

Foreign workers in the UK are paid the UK minimum wage at worst. They are also protected by UK law which prevents exploitation.

Thai labour is used in Israel on farms etc because it is cheap and unregulated.

Any supermarket buying produce from farms exploiting labour can now be identified quickly.

I hope no one on here supports labour exploitation anywhere in then world..

Wow, great theoretical crap, now back to planet earth.

Polish and Albanians are paid way under the minimum wage and employers happy to employ them over UK citizens and exploit them.

The foreign labor used in Israel is no different to foreign labor used in UK or anywhere else for that matter, the difference is in UK foreign labor is under paid and over worked, and has to rent their own rooms, while in Israel on top of wages, they also get free rooms and food, which some bureaucrats do not find acceptable.

May be Israeli farmers, should pay higher salary and let Thai's rent their own rooms and buy their own food, so in the end, they would have 1/4 of current money

[Jay Sata]

Ko hong

In the UK labour exploitation is a serious matter. Gangmasters or others not paying a minimum wage are jailed and forced to lose assets via the courts.

If I,may quote UN Human Rights Watch.

''The success of Israel's agricultural industry depends to a large extent on the labor of Thai migrant workers, but Israel is doing far too little to uphold their rights and protect them from exploitation,'' said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.

''Israeli authorities need to be much more active in enforcing the law on working hours and conditions, and in clamping down on employers who abuse workers' rights.''

Approximately 25,000 Thai migrant workers supply the vast majority of the labor for Israel's agriculture. In 2011, Israel signed a bilateral agreement with Thailand, known as the TIC (the Thailand-Israel Cooperation on the Placement of Workers) that cut significantly the recruitment fees that Thai workers must pay to obtain work permits, reducing their vulnerability to forced labor.

UK and European supermarkets must label vegetable production origin.

No decent person want to buy produce from an exploited workforce.

Social media is such now that a farm exploiting labour is quickly identified.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Jay Sata

[retarius]

There are certain people that you should never let power over you....

[retarius]

Ko hong

In the UK labour exploitation is a serious matter. Gangmasters or others not paying a minimum wage are jailed and forced to lose assets via the courts.

If I,may quote UN Human Rights Watch.

''The success of Israel's agricultural industry depends to a large extent on the labor of Thai migrant workers, but Israel is doing far too little to uphold their rights and protect them from exploitation,'' said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.

''Israeli authorities need to be much more active in enforcing the law on working hours and conditions, and in clamping down on employers who abuse workers' rights.''

Approximately 25,000 Thai migrant workers supply the vast majority of the labor for Israel's agriculture. In 2011, Israel signed a bilateral agreement with Thailand, known as the TIC (the Thailand-Israel Cooperation on the Placement of Workers) that cut significantly the recruitment fees that Thai workers must pay to obtain work permits, reducing their vulnerability to forced labor.

UK and European supermarkets must label vegetable production origin.

No decent person want to buy produce from an exploited workforce.

Social media is such now that a farm exploiting labour is quickly identified.

Actually the maximum fine for not paying minimum wages was until very recently 5000 pounds...peanuts to the savings that can be made....there are very few prosecutions and even fewer convictions. It actually isn't taken very seriously at all by the authorities.

[NeverSure]

If an immigrant does not like the working conditions of another or host country then stay the f home. No one is holding a gun to their heads, forcing them to go elsewhere and forcing them to work for crap wages in bad conditions. Free market dictates employee worth to some degree. Why does someone with no education, very little skills and poor communication skills go to a different country and expect any different?

Perhaps this is even better than what they get in their own country.

Ummm actually it is a form of Human labor trafficking

As a lawyer I thought you would know that?

As to why they would leave their country ...same as many

Especially if your a hungry person & folks offer something far better than you can get at home you accept if all looks fine

Which it always does...Not too mention folks of their own race entice them...for a fee against future wages of course

As to why they do not leave? Same as most human trafficking cases...labor or otherwise many times their passports are taken upon arrival

under various false claims.

Yes it is sad that they do not see any options but this is why they recruit from the countries they do.

They arrive do not speak the language..have no friends no family...not so easy to run to a consulate & say help me.

But again you play a lawyer on TV no? I would think you know of many such cases?

Here is a recent one of well over 200 Thai workers in Hawaii

http://www1.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/brochure-human_trafficking.cfm?renderforprint=1

http://www.eturbonews.com/30648/slavery-and-human-trafficking-legal-united-states

http://ciw-online.org/blog/2010/09/global_horizons_prosecution/

Your first link is the US government decrying it, and your next two links are about US Federal indictments against the perps.

All you've done is show that the US won't tolerated it and that perps will go down on Federal beef which is something you don't ever want happening to you.

Got any other "equivalents"?

[konying]

Ko hong

In the UK labour exploitation is a serious matter. Gangmasters or others not paying a minimum wage are jailed and forced to lose assets via the courts.

If I,may quote UN Human Rights Watch.

''The success of Israel's agricultural industry depends to a large extent on the labor of Thai migrant workers, but Israel is doing far too little to uphold their rights and protect them from exploitation,'' said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.

''Israeli authorities need to be much more active in enforcing the law on working hours and conditions, and in clamping down on employers who abuse workers' rights.''

Approximately 25,000 Thai migrant workers supply the vast majority of the labor for Israel's agriculture. In 2011, Israel signed a bilateral agreement with Thailand, known as the TIC (the Thailand-Israel Cooperation on the Placement of Workers) that cut significantly the recruitment fees that Thai workers must pay to obtain work permits, reducing their vulnerability to forced labor.

UK and European supermarkets must label vegetable production origin.

No decent person want to buy produce from an exploited workforce.

Social media is such now that a farm exploiting labour is quickly identified.

That explains it, you have a problem reading,

Must me Jewish fault and Jews to blame?

[draftvader]

Nonsense post and reply removed.

Edit: Additional off-topic posts and replies have also been removed.

[daveAustin]

Ok, I'll chime in with the Thai nugget of... this i Israel, if you don't like it go back home to your own country.

[mania]

Your first link is the US government decrying it, and your next two links are about US Federal indictments against the perps.

All you've done is show that the US won't tolerated it and that perps will go down on Federal beef which is something you don't ever want happening to you.

Got any other "equivalents"?

My links showed what they were suppose to show....

They were linked to show that this type of Labor trafficking does occur

& is often started under false promises not based in the simple rhetoric the poster I was replying to

was trying to make which was basically...

If an immigrant does not like the working conditions of another or host country then stay the f home

Perhaps you should read what a reply is replying to before calling it out

[rickirs]

Abused Thais in Israel is outrageous!

What is the Thai government doing? The Thai government should make a complaint to the UNHRC to investigate and call for trade sanctions against Israel. Thailand should bring those Thai workers home and give them employment in the fishery industry where there is a labor shortage.

But the Thai government won't raise an objection. It was only in 2012 that Thailand signed a Trade Agreement with Israel. Given its failing exports, Thailand needs every trade partner. As far as calling for trade snctions against Israel, the EU would be a critical supporter - Thailand though is not currently on good terms with the EU. It also really doesn't want those workers back in Thailand under a human rights cloud and, with its own human rights issues with the UN, it would be duplicitious for Thailand to complain.

[F430murci]

If an immigrant does not like the working conditions of another or host country then stay the f home. No one is holding a gun to their heads, forcing them to go elsewhere and forcing them to work for crap wages in bad conditions. Free market dictates employee worth to some degree. Why does someone with no education, very little skills and poor communication skills go to a different country and expect any different?

Perhaps this is even better than what they get in their own country.

Ummm actually it is a form of Human labor trafficking

As a lawyer I thought you would know that?

As to why they would leave their country ...same as many

Especially if your a hungry person & folks offer something far better than you can get at home you accept if all looks fine

Which it always does...Not too mention folks of their own race entice them...for a fee against future wages of course

As to why they do not leave? Same as most human trafficking cases...labor or otherwise many times their passports are taken upon arrival

under various false claims.

Yes it is sad that they do not see any options but this is why they recruit from the countries they do.

They arrive do not speak the language..have no friends no family...not so easy to run to a consulate & say help me.

But again you play a lawyer on TV no? I would think you know of many such cases?

Here is a recent one of well over 200 Thai workers in Hawaii

http://www1.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/brochure-human_trafficking.cfm?renderforprint=1

http://www.eturbonews.com/30648/slavery-and-human-trafficking-legal-united-states

http://ciw-online.org/blog/2010/09/global_horizons_prosecution/

Wow, so many examples there . . . One example 9 years ago with documents taken and US obviously steps in and compensated those people well in that one situation.

Again, this is a problem that emanates in Thailand, India or wherever these migrant workers reside. Free market dictates their worth in the labor force and stay the heck out of the US if not like what US has to offer.

That said, I used to know some shady Asian businessmen in the 90s that would smuggle over Asians who paid their life savings to leave their home countries. They went to work in restaurants owned by these individuals and paid over a percentage if their wages until their debt was extinguished.

I think this sucks, but these people did not complain and were happy to leave their crappy living conditions in Asia for what they perceived a better life. To me, this just says that countries like China, Philippines and other SE Asia countries are the problem for proving such a pathetic living standard causing these people to pay and risk everything to leave.

[mania]

To me, this just says that countries like China, Philippines and other SE Asia countries are the problem for proving such a pathetic living standard causing these people to pay and risk everything to leave.

555 pretty much like the majority who are now Americans?

After generations of immigrating from all over the globe?

It is a normal reaction to want better for you & yours....yes?

You did say your TV wife is Russian........

Edited January 22, 2015 by mania

[ZeldasCavern]

Hmmm, another cheep shot at the horrible Jewish Zionist country?

Unfortunately, most of you are either ignorant or unaware to the fact that the majority of the Thais employed in Israel earn more then three times what they earn in Thailand or elsewhere.

Oh, and choose to go and don't want to come back...

They are employed for a 6 month to a 1 year term agreement, can return when ever they want, and choose not to...???

[Jingthing]

Hmmm, another cheep shot at the horrible Jewish Zionist country?

Unfortunately, most of you are either ignorant or unaware to the fact that the majority of the Thais employed in Israel earn more then three times what they earn in Thailand or elsewhere.

Oh, and choose to go and don't want to come back...

They are employed for a 6 month to a 1 year term agreement, can return when ever they want, and choose not to...???

It's pretty obvious if it was the same story about guest worker Thais in ANY other country than Israel, the Jew of countries, the "interest" in it here would be almost nonexistent.