SukhumvitFan42 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 These 2 bikes are readily available on the used market in Bkk. I am wondering how the riding and ownership experience will be different. Is one likely to break down more than the other? Which one do people reckon is better between wing mirrors on sukhumvit road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewrooney Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 If you're going to be driving in traffic a lot I'd go for the CBR, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) I've ridden the cbr250r and the phantom in bkk traffic and the cbr is an easy winner. Both are very reliable. Edited January 25, 2015 by apetley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiniyow Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I have owned both and the Phantom was breaking much more often then the CBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 The old carb version cbr is much smaller and handier than the fuel injection version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The cam chain tensioner was THE big issue on the Phantom....can't recall anything else really jumping out. As mentioned, the carb'd CBR is the best bet for in BKK riding. Splits lanes like nobody's business and plenty of power. Also stupid easy to work on so that if anything comes up, you don't have to worry too much about the local grease monkey's wrenching on it....well any more than a local grease monkey wrenching on your bike causes concern. One thing I would definitely check before buying a carb'd CBR is if it has an aftermarket CDI. If it does...don't bother. I believe all of those CDI removed the rev limiter. Who knows how many times that bike was taken past the point it should have been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi850m2 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The 2 bikes are very different, one is a chopper and the other is a sports bike, so very different riding positions. The Phantom's must be getting old as they stopped making them for some years now. As mentioned, the older CBR's have very likely been ridden much harder than a Phantom so something to consider. But okay they should be cheap to get overhauled if the engine is "tired". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) apples and oranges but cbr150r all the way any give day! Phantom is porky although comfy. but very boring driving dynamics. still you can also tour - slowly of course - with it and potter around in comfort but a boring comfort. cbr150r sporty, enough power, great for Bangkok traffic. if you redline it too much, cams create problems though and carb can spit the carb needle inside the engine. you can also tour with it but less comfort still it can run at 130 kph happily all day. Edited January 26, 2015 by ll2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Nice old cbr150 maybe 25,000baht. Phantom maybe 50K. I own & cherish 2 old cbr150s, so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 apples and oranges but cbr150r all the way any give day! Phantom is porky although comfy. but very boring driving dynamics. still you can also tour - slowly of course - with it and potter around in comfort but a boring comfort. cbr150r sporty, enough power, great for Bangkok traffic. if you redline it too much, cams create problems though and carb can spit the carb needle inside the engine. you can also tour with it but less comfort still it can run at 130 kph happily all day. Sir: I've heard you allude to the needle spitting carb before. My mechanic who has serviced these since the beginning can't explain how something like that could happen. He's never heard of it happening. Or maybe he didn't understand me 100%. Could you relate how you established that? Too much redlining will whack the valve train in any 4-stroke engine I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MYKTHEMIN Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) y Edited January 28, 2015 by MYKTHEMIN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SukhumvitFan42 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 The cam chain tensioner was THE big issue on the Phantom....can't recall anything else really jumping out. As mentioned, the carb'd CBR is the best bet for in BKK riding. Splits lanes like nobody's business and plenty of power. Also stupid easy to work on so that if anything comes up, you don't have to worry too much about the local grease monkey's wrenching on it....well any more than a local grease monkey wrenching on your bike causes concern. One thing I would definitely check before buying a carb'd CBR is if it has an aftermarket CDI. If it does...don't bother. I believe all of those CDI removed the rev limiter. Who knows how many times that bike was taken past the point it should have been. I am not confident I could identify an after-sales CDI box. Do you have any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I am not confident I could identify an after-sales CDI box. Do you have any tips? Cheap OEM looking CDI is stock. If fancy cooling or colours or stickers are seen stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SukhumvitFan42 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Alright nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 something like this. i had the same 'Kitty' brand on my cbr150r and it was eliminating the redline - therefore cams problems:) - and giving some extra grunt together with modified carb and pipe and K&N air filter. you can also check API brand. both works on carbed cbr150r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 An aftermarket CDI can derestrict the max revs [eliminate the limiter, so to speak], but you cannot eliminate the red line. "No sustained operation in red zone." Else you will "LL" your engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 An aftermarket CDI can derestrict the max revs [eliminate the limiter, so to speak], but you cannot eliminate the red line. "No sustained operation in red zone." Else you will "LL" your engine. Exactly why I recommend staying away from a bike that has one installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 An aftermarket CDI can derestrict the max revs [eliminate the limiter, so to speak], but you cannot eliminate the red line. "No sustained operation in red zone." Else you will "LL" your engine. whtever papa. you understand me but thanks for clarifying. yep, 'll'ed the engine of my cbr150 a couple of times due to hard runs within red zone. it was showing 160 - 170 kph though at the zone:) so it was OK for the fun. racing cams for cbr150 is good though and they dont get broken easily even for extended runs at red zone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 An aftermarket CDI can derestrict the max revs [eliminate the limiter, so to speak], but you cannot eliminate the red line. "No sustained operation in red zone." Else you will "LL" your engine. whtever papa. you understand me but thanks for clarifying. yep, 'll'ed the engine of my cbr150 a couple of times due to hard runs within red zone. it was showing 160 - 170 kph though at the zone:) so it was OK for the fun. racing cams for cbr150 is good though and they dont get broken easily even for extended runs at red zone! I would think the valve float would be a bigger issue than the stock cams snapping...but I could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Never ridden a CBR150 before but it can't be worse than a Phantom, no torque, too heavy and weak engine construction. Never ever again. PapaAl went all over Laos on his CBR150 without a hitch, seemed pretty fast too, which the Phantom ain't. Someone thought they could build a 10hp Harley with all the torque of an electrical screwdriver, it doesn't work unless you are a 5 stone loner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The CBR 150.... does the job, fun to ride.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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