Remember the attempt that SF made to liberate Son Tay POW camp in North Vietnam? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C6%A1n_T%C3%A2y_prison_camp

But leave it to Chuck Norris to have accomplished the mission in Hollywood.

I might recall incorrectly, but in military circles the Son Tay raid[ers] were in a manner successful. The problem was, of course, the POWs were moved. But the mission was executed flawlessly, as I recall. I worked with and for some of the Son Tay raiders some years ago. My understanding was they were lauded because of execution; but their was faulty intel.

Everything is intel driven and in this world, HUMINT (human, on the ground intel) is vital. The US has a policy of freeing, avoiding, or killing all those that might provide humint.

It does not surprise me the US now finds itself impotent regarding executing current missions in the region.

and that is why Bin Laden still walks on the earth this day, really Your the insider of everything the US does/does not do? You should "seem to recall" that I doubt your an insider to much of anything.

You can doubt whatever you like Bassman.

I know for a fact Arjunadawn is the real deal.

"Seem to recall" was lazy talk.

Kenny Mack (McMullen, Son Tay Raider) (Operation Ivory Coast) was my sergeant major for a while in the 3rd Special Forces (Fort Bragg, NC). I also "seem to recall" Kenny Mack passed away a few years ago. Also, many of America's special ops (and other) legends gathered daily at the Green Beret Club. This type of fraternity provides very "inside" views on world events. I may not always be correct, but I have spent decades doing CT EP DA and other work. I have fairly strong opinions regarding US policy, the Mideast, and [islamic] Terrorism because I have spent the better part of my life at the barrel end of policy or shaping it abroad when enacted at home. It is sheer fantasy to imagine everyone who does this type of work remains forever in shadows and legend. This has been my life's work.

I now reside in Thailand with a woman who demands I refrain from these sandbox vacations. Good luck never lasts forever. I've now given you far more legitimacy than you deserve with my response.

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Totally appropriate this link uses the phrase "for those who don't recall." http://sfachapterix.blogspot.com/2011/11/son-tay-raid-anniversary.html

Insofar as we are discussing rescuing people Operation Eagle Claw presents the very opposite end of the execution spectrum, opposed to Son Tay.

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Two Japanese guys get their heads cut off and it's Japanese 9-11?

Well I hope they send in the Kamakazees!

What about the millions of Japanese who die from smoking and car accidents?

Isn't this whole thing a bit of a joke?

How many millions were killed by Godzilla?

Being aggressive at pursuing terrorists is all very well, the trouble is the definition of terrorism has become so restricted through political correctness that it's difficult to find any who aren't now termed insurgents, freedom fighters or lone wolves.

On the contrary! The label is bandied around willy-nilly to cast aspersions on freedom fighters.

Being aggressive at pursuing terrorists is all very well, the trouble is the definition of terrorism has become so restricted through political correctness that it's difficult to find any who aren't now termed insurgents, freedom fighters or lone wolves.

On the contrary! The label is bandied around willy-nilly to cast aspersions on freedom fighters.

Just curious, are you calling ISIS "freedom fighters"?

Bush and Blair unleashed this horror on the world.

Saddam was contained by the west and he managed to keep the lid on the cauldron.

Mohammed the Prophet unleashed this horror on the world 1400 years ago.

Two Japanese guys get their heads cut off and it's Japanese 9-11?

Well I hope they send in the Kamakazees!

What about the millions of Japanese who die from smoking and car accidents?

Isn't this whole thing a bit of a joke?

How many millions were killed by Godzilla?

Isn't this whole thing a bit of a joke?

If you were referring to your own post, yes. And a tasteless joke at that.

So far these blood thirsty ruthless medieval minded nut cases have shown zero humanity or compassion. I don't reckon that will ever change.

Sadly....I imagine some mother or father who just lost their kids while sitting in some Afghanistan or Pakistan mud hut just accidentally collateral damaged by a hellfire missile

supposedly directed at a suspected terrorist is saying something similar

Oh yea, that rabble and underestimating your enemy. As I recall, there was a country called England that did just that around 1776. Unfortunately the US seems to have adapted some of the English strategies in dealing with rabble. Didn't work too well then, still doesn't. One way or the other, the US created the current rabble in the Mid East. Not giving any credit to the "rabble" for being the "good guys".

All that high tech stuff plus the CIA.

The movies make it look easy but how hard is it to drop some military hard nuts on parachutes and do the rescue.

From what I read a lot of these so called ISIS terrorists are what Boris Johnson called the other day.

Wan**rs

There were previous attempts to free hostages, not all were successful.

Movies are not reality, or so I've heard.

Remember the attempt that SF made to liberate Son Tay POW camp in North Vietnam? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C6%A1n_T%C3%A2y_prison_camp

But leave it to Chuck Norris to have accomplished the mission in Hollywood.

I might recall incorrectly, but in military circles the Son Tay raid[ers] were in a manner successful. The problem was, of course, the POWs were moved. But the mission was executed flawlessly, as I recall. I worked with and for some of the Son Tay raiders some years ago. My understanding was they were lauded because of execution; but their was faulty intel.

From what I remember reading it was near perfect, but stuff dis happen. This interview with one of the Son Tay raiders tell's a pretty good tale. http://www.historynet.com/interview-with-sergeant-terry-buckler-about-the-son-tay-prison-camp-raid-during-the-vietnam-war.htm

BTW, I should have added, 'But Chuck Norris and his team couldn't hold a candle to a dozen TVF commandos.'

Being aggressive at pursuing terrorists is all very well, the trouble is the definition of terrorism has become so restricted through political correctness that it's difficult to find any who aren't now termed insurgents, freedom fighters or lone wolves.

According to this member of the Swedish parliament, ISIS and other terrorists are not terrorists, they are the victims... Slag. http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.721/swedish-politician-is-terrorists-are-victims.html#.VMfI3oXpuf9.facebook

Being aggressive at pursuing terrorists is all very well, the trouble is the definition of terrorism has become so restricted through political correctness that it's difficult to find any who aren't now termed insurgents, freedom fighters or lone wolves.

According to this member of the Swedish parliament, ISIS and other terrorists are not terrorists, they are the victims... Slag. http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.721/swedish-politician-is-terrorists-are-victims.html#.VMfI3oXpuf9.facebook

Indeed for suicidal stupidity nowhere outdoes Sweden. They even want to have. Jobs waiting for returning IS members.

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Being aggressive at pursuing terrorists is all very well, the trouble is the definition of terrorism has become so restricted through political correctness that it's difficult to find any who aren't now termed insurgents, freedom fighters or lone wolves.

On the contrary! The label is bandied around willy-nilly to cast aspersions on freedom fighters.

Just curious, are you calling ISIS "freedom fighters"?

You're not curious, you're baiting. But for your amusement (you've shown recently that you need cheering up), I'll play along....

Of course ISIS are not freedom fighters. I doubt if they even call themselves that. They're aspiring conquerors who use terror. Plainly terrorists.

What you need to do is separate the terrorism meme from the terrorism reality.

Now, "meme" is a word that did not exist when you went to school, but I'd be going way off-topic is I explained it to you in simple terms, so I suggest you look it up.

Being aggressive at pursuing terrorists is all very well, the trouble is the definition of terrorism has become so restricted through political correctness that it's difficult to find any who aren't now termed insurgents, freedom fighters or lone wolves.

According to this member of the Swedish parliament, ISIS and other terrorists are not terrorists, they are the victims... Slag. http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.721/swedish-politician-is-terrorists-are-victims.html#.VMfI3oXpuf9.facebook

Pat Condell has a lot to say about Sweden and their self imposed stupidity! I lived in Sweden for 4 years on late 70's early 80'. My football team paid for me to go to University to learn Swedish. Back then as a socialist country it was strange. Schools used to give "special" lessons to some foreign kids so they did not forget their heritage etc..... I always thought it would have been better for them to learn about Swedish heritage rather than the the hell holes they'd escaped from? The first poignant things he says about Sweden is how Sweden recognizes Palestine, a country that doesn't exist...

Enjoy...

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Of course ISIS are not freedom fighters. I doubt if they even call themselves that. They're aspiring conquerors who use terror. Plainly terrorists.

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The above quote is really all I asked for. Thank you for responding.

The rest of your post is a personal attack so it doesn't deserve any further response from me.

time for another D-Day.

I reckon this lady is doomed. Just keeping it real.

All hostages fates were sealed the moment they were taken, after the horrendous new about the burning alive of the Jordanian Pilot, there's simply no point in attempting to negotiate with ISIS, they are oblivious to the words

outrage and condemnation, it means nothing to them.

As for Jihad John, I hope the Hooligans lob his head off and hold it aloft like a trophy then smash it to pieces!!