webfact Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 UK urges Indonesia to spare life of drug smugglerHans Nicholas Jong, Ina Parlina and Ni Komang ErvianiThe Jakarta PostJAKARTA: -- Just three days after a British newspaper revealed the suspension of a diplomat for allegedly having an affair with a drug convict in Bali, UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond came to Jakarta on a mission to save the life of British drug trafficker Lindsay Sandiford, who is on death row.During his visit, Hammond met Indonesian officials including vice president Jusuf Kalla and foreign minister Retno LP Marsudi. Apart from bilateral economic issues, the British foreign secretary raised his government’s opposition to the use of the death penalty against Sandiford.“We share the fight against international crime, including drug trafficking. But I have made it clear that the UK opposes the use of the death penalty,” he told reporters after the meeting with Retno at the foreign ministry.Hammond said his government would provide support for Sandiford, who was sentenced to death for smuggling 4.8 kilograms of cocaine into Bali.However, Hammond admitted that the UK government could only help Sandiford to a certain extent. “There are specific limits to how we operate and what kind of support we can offer,” he explained.Minister Retno, for her part, said that Indonesia was consistent on its position on the death penalty. “Our position is consistent, every time there are countries who express their concerns, we explain our position.”Meanwhile, president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo reiterated his call to jointly fight drug abuse on Wednesday during a national coordination meeting held by the National Narcotics Agency (BNN), which was also attended by governors, regents and mayors from across the country.Full story: http://www.asianewsnet.net/news-71405.html-- ANN 2015-02-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bushmill Posted February 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 Everybody who opposes the use of the death penalty for drugdealers shouldt think how many kid are the targets of this dealers and how many Drug addicts die from / by the drugs. These dealers are nothing but murderers out of greed. Away with these scum. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CockneyGit Posted February 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 She's guilty, she knew the risks. If you don't want to die, don't smuggle drugs. Simples! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy666 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I don't think she has a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DLock Posted February 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 "...the British foreign secretary raised his government’s opposition to the use of the death penalty against Sandiford." Simple. Don't let your citizens travel to places with laws you oppose. These idiots that risk smuggling drugs in a country that have a death penalty for smuggling drugs are not real bright. No great loss. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I bet Indonesia wouldn't top a Saudi prince. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I bet Indonesia wouldn't top a Saudi prince. No because someone would get a nice wad of cash to turn a blind eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 As sad as her story maybe, and that other people involved in it haven't been given death sentences, she knew the risks very well. These countries are quite clear about there way of dealing with drug smuggling, so if you play the game, then you got to also accept the costs of getting caught. I very much doubt she will avoid the firing squad, Indonesia is clearly sending out a warning to those that might be thinking of smuggling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinCityGr8One Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Lock and Load! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurkster Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I personally think execution for any crime other than direct murder is highly inappropriate punishment. That being said, she likely knew what the penal risks were when she did it...I, like a lot of others expressing their opinions on here do have sympathy for her. That doesn't have to translation into condonation or whatever else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geistfunke Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 There is no right to kill a man. A law can never justify the death of a person. Therefore, it is always correct to point those responsible for their wrongs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I bet Indonesia wouldn't top a Saudi prince. does a Saudi prince need to smuggle drugs? I wonder how many Indonesians have been beheaded in Saudi for crimes? I doubt they would have a problem with putting anyone in front of a firing squad if found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Just going by the cover of the book, she looks like an awful person anyway. I don't think the world would be a poorer place without her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The only reason for the death penalty is to deter others... But it does not work, case in point she knew the risk and still did it... But then any political fallout is likely to hurt Indonesia harder, must have taken a lot of diplomatic pressure from Indonesia to get the FO to drop their travel warning regarding flying in Indonesia, any excuse will almost certainly see it re-imposed even harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 How many would 'nourish' their own families with this type of drugs? Then why give it to others? Drugs = Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saakura Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Maybe they could swap her for a prisoner with ISIS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis7 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Every one knows the consequence of trafficking drugs in and from Indonesia, i bet she was aware of it too, still took a chance, easy money bet, and she lost. Besides all these drug dealer kills so many lives and destroys people lives with the drug addiction, there should not be any Merci for these type of people in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezgav Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I guess I don't have a problem with the death penalty for the drug crime,they (the British lady and two aussies ) it's just the firing squad method I disagree with..correct me if I'm wrong please but didn't Thailand do away with this method because it sometimes went wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezgav Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 *they most likely knew the consequences I meant to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveyw Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 she knew exactly what she was doing .take her round the back and shoot her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenchair Posted February 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Everybody who opposes the use of the death penalty for drugdealers shouldt think how many kid are the targets of this dealers and how many Drug addicts die from / by the drugs. These dealers are nothing but murderers out of greed. Away with these scum.In my country the drug laws were so strict. It made it almost impossible to get drugs. What did the addicts do. "Stop"? no.They invented their own drugs. Homebake. Then came P .when they couldn't get drugs. They were wasted on alcohol. Drinking mouthwash. You cannot stop them. What people are finding out is, if you let them get on with it, they will find their own way. Some will die. No different from when it is illegal. In Amsterdam, the crime rate plummeted, the prisons emptied and the death rate of addicts dropped. I know many an addict, who now live normal healthy lives when they got older. To think that anyone of them would be murdered for having a different life problem doesn't bare thinking about. Edited February 5, 2015 by greenchair 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The only thing sick in this issue is the use of a firing squad, what a waste of ammunition. The Chinese know best how to execute, tie a thin board around the neck, shoot through the board with a pistol in the back of the head, dead guaranteed with one bullet. The board protects the executioner from brain splatter, the criminal suffers no pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Sata Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The key figure in this is only serving six years in prison while the mule faces the firing squad. Not fair or just. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suffinator Posted February 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 Just three days after a British newspaper revealed the suspension of a diplomat for allegedly having an affair with a drug convict in Bali, UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond came to Jakarta on a mission to save the life of British drug trafficker Lindsay Sandiford, who is on death row. What a waste of taxpayer's money. Put a bullet in her head and have done with it. Yeah I know all you liberal progressives will be having a heart attack but the truth is these people peddle DEATH they don't care that some poor family has to deal with an addict in the family and they don't care about the misery they peddle. There's only one good drug trafficker ... the one that's just been executed. Give me the gun I'll pull the trigger and I'll know it's the most humanitarian act I've undertaken because I've just saved thousands of lives. This woman knew the consequences so now it's time the piper played the tune ... end of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Troll post and replies removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat6 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I personally think execution for any crime other than direct murder is highly inappropriate punishment. That being said, she likely knew what the penal risks were when she did it...I, like a lot of others expressing their opinions on here do have sympathy for her. That doesn't have to translation into condonation or whatever else. Drug dealers/Couriers can be likened to murderers as they supply products that kill people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 How many would 'nourish' their own families with this type of drugs? Then why give it to others? Drugs = Death Cocaine = death? Really? She was very stupid but does not deserve to die. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Sorry not much sympathy from me....don't do the crime f you don't want to be punished...smuggling drugs into Indonesia is idiocy or incredible greed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smurkster Posted February 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2015 BrewserBudgen is the only one showing a lick of sense. There is so much wrong with the statement that drug couriers could be likened to murderers. First of all what it does is eliminated any personal responsibility and accountability on the part of the drug taker. The Ones who could potentially overdose and die have no one but to blame but themselves, no one forced the drug down their throats. Secondly with that logic, distillers who make say for example Jim beam could be likened to murderers as well because a high school kid drank too much and died of alcohol poisoning (and yes, its the exact same kinda thing, but we tend to overlook that because one is legal and one is not) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWarbucks Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I personally think execution for any crime other than direct murder is highly inappropriate punishment. That being said, she likely knew what the penal risks were when she did it...I, like a lot of others expressing their opinions on here do have sympathy for her. That doesn't have to translation into condonation or whatever else. Drug dealers/Couriers can be likened to murderers as they supply products that kill people. Agreed, so do governments and numerous industries also, but that is another subject. The death penalty can be opposed on the grounds that so many people who suffer it are found innocent post-mortem Beyond that, there is the question of its efficacy as a deterrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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