Thai Red Shirt leader Jatuporn accuses govt of looking for a 'fight'

[robblok]

The scheming of the yellow administration has been ongoing since 2005. Constant efforts to destabilise & diminish their opposition, the only way they can contemplate retaining power. A PAD lady colleague of mine told me the week after Yingluck was elected that plans were in place for her removal.

Thaksin all did it himself.. had he not put himself on the list for amnesty.. they would still be in power.. his arrogance is what kills the PTP. With leaders like that who needs enemies.

[rubl]

It seems UDDTV moved to Peace TV. Unlike the current government the UDD is good at perception

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/peacetvth

PS accesable from my true connection in Bangkok

[waitforusalso]

The scheming of the yellow administration has been ongoing since 2005. Constant efforts to destabilise & diminish their opposition, the only way they can contemplate retaining power. A PAD lady colleague of mine told me the week after Yingluck was elected that plans were in place for her removal.

Thaksin all did it himself.. had he not put himself on the list for amnesty.. they would still be in power.. his arrogance is what kills the PTP. With leaders like that who needs enemies.

Yeah right, and once the amnesty had blown over, I suppose Suthep's armed mob of off duty soldiers had nothing to do with it.

[halloween]

The scheming of the yellow administration has been ongoing since 2005. Constant efforts to destabilise & diminish their opposition, the only way they can contemplate retaining power. A PAD lady colleague of mine told me the week after Yingluck was elected that plans were in place for her removal.

Thaksin all did it himself.. had he not put himself on the list for amnesty.. they would still be in power.. his arrogance is what kills the PTP. With leaders like that who needs enemies.

Yeah right, and once the amnesty had blown over, I suppose Suthep's armed mob of off duty soldiers had nothing to do with it.

Yeah right, as corrupt a piece of self-serving conflict-of-interest legislation as ever was attempted to be forced through parliament, and 3 days later it was completely forgotten, blown over, yesterday's news. Well you can't prosecute Yingluk for that, she's no longer in office, and she was elected to boot..

[trogers]

I love listening to what Jatuporn and his red shirts say.

From their news, I know the opposite is true...5555

[ggold]

It must be remembered that he, Jatuporn, does nothing on his own, he is still a paid lackey of Thaksin, we have seen several times that Thaksin has given 'orders' to do this or not do that.

Thaksins strategy team has decided that the BS that the bombs were planted by the army should be reinforced and this is the result.

As we see on this topic alone there are those who are silly enough to believe this, so the Thai red supporters will be keen to believe.

Planting the bombs will all be part of the overall strategy.

Small explosions to cause a disturbance then go all out make it look like the military planted them to give them an excuse to continue martial law which western countries are against.

It also has the effect of getting countries to issue new travel advisories to make it look like Thailand is a dangerous place to visit due to political disturbance, in the hope that tourist numbers can be kept down to hurt the economy, for a depressed economy will make the military Govt look bad.

He is an extremely dangerous man Thaksin and will have an overall strategy planned to destabilize as much as possible, we have seen in the past, as per 2010, that he will do anything to get back into power and does not care who he hurts in the process, including his sister, or how much he damages the country.

In fact the country in chaos and bankruptcy would be a bonus to him as he could then return the great savior.

On thing he has against him is that he can no longer rely on the police, and arrests linked to the reds in this and the royal letter business (part of the plan) will stuff up things for him.

And you know that the army planting the bombs is BS?

I'm no lover of Thaksin, But why would he need to stir it up. If the army did plant the bombs, Then someone is going to look really stupid trying to accuse the reds of being the culprits. It would suit the culprits to suggest/insinuate the reds are responsible, to enforce the real reason of why there were bombs in the first place. Which would be to justify the current situation!

So Jutaporn came out and said the reds were not responsible, and says what most believe, the army may have done this! and all of a sudden we are on the verge of civil war, according to you? Even the idea that a bankrupt nation is Thaksins wish is

Still waiting to see if and who they arrest for this if anyone will be? IMO no one will be arrested.

[Robby nz]

Let's assume for a moment that it is a political plot to set off bombs. Which people stand to win most of it? That is the junta as they can now counter the US and say that martial law has to be kept in place while the junta can make the case that their highly illegal puppet parliament impeached the real prime minister did the right thing.

Only very naif people believe in coincidences. By the way, the junta has the people to climb up a electricity pole and place two mini bombs, while the red shirts do not have that capability and if they did they would be filmed by the dictators CCTV's who record everything except for a act of mass murder in a bordering temple.

The military don't need any excuses to continue martial law.

But it is in someones interest to destabilize and try to make the military look bad, now who could that be.

As for the rest of your red history BS...proof please.

[Baerboxer]

Jautaporn is exactly right. These staged events have been the modus operandi of Prayuth, Suthep and Wongsuwan since they started to plan the downfall and PTT of the UDD in 2010.

I see. And the daily/nightly attacks on the anti Shin regime protesters, the murder of innocents including children, attacks on judges houses, offices and the machine gunning of opponents relative's houses.

All carried out by whom?

Yes you can believe Jautaporn, the self appointed non elected red shirt leader.

How many court cases his he appealing now? And still serving suspended sentences which never seem to get actually implemented.

[metisdead]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

[Robby nz]

It must be remembered that he, Jatuporn, does nothing on his own, he is still a paid lackey of Thaksin, we have seen several times that Thaksin has given 'orders' to do this or not do that.

Thaksins strategy team has decided that the BS that the bombs were planted by the army should be reinforced and this is the result.

As we see on this topic alone there are those who are silly enough to believe this, so the Thai red supporters will be keen to believe.

Planting the bombs will all be part of the overall strategy.

Small explosions to cause a disturbance then go all out make it look like the military planted them to give them an excuse to continue martial law which western countries are against.

It also has the effect of getting countries to issue new travel advisories to make it look like Thailand is a dangerous place to visit due to political disturbance, in the hope that tourist numbers can be kept down to hurt the economy, for a depressed economy will make the military Govt look bad.

He is an extremely dangerous man Thaksin and will have an overall strategy planned to destabilize as much as possible, we have seen in the past, as per 2010, that he will do anything to get back into power and does not care who he hurts in the process, including his sister, or how much he damages the country.

In fact the country in chaos and bankruptcy would be a bonus to him as he could then return the great savior.

On thing he has against him is that he can no longer rely on the police, and arrests linked to the reds in this and the royal letter business (part of the plan) will stuff up things for him.

And you know that the army planting the bombs is BS?

I'm no lover of Thaksin, But why would he need to stir it up. If the army did plant the bombs, Then someone is going to look really stupid trying to accuse the reds of being the culprits. It would suit the culprits to suggest/insinuate the reds are responsible, to enforce the real reason of why there were bombs in the first place. Which would be to justify the current situation!

So Jutaporn came out and said the reds were not responsible, and says what most believe, the army may have done this! and all of a sudden we are on the verge of civil war, according to you? Even the idea that a bankrupt nation is Thaksins wish is

Still waiting to see if and who they arrest for this if anyone will be? IMO no one will be arrested.

What I wrote is commonsense and logic, do you really believe that Thaksin will ever give up trying to get back into power in any way he can ?

You on the other hand believe Jatuporn.

What most believe : http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/797835-poll-says-siam-paragon-bombing-is-politically-motivated/

48.81% said they believed politics was involved in the bombings, citing the incident came not long after the impeachment of firmer prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra by the National Legislative Assembly and the call by a US top diplomat to lift martial law. They said some dissent groups might want to discredit the military junta and its government.

31.53% voiced uncertainty if it was politically motivated as it could either be political motive or personal conflict, while 19.66% dismissed politics was involved.

Who could the political entity be that MOST people believe would do such a thing ?

When the arrests come we expect your apology.

[mike324]

Jatuporn the boy who cried wolf, still waiting for his evidence of who burn down CentralWorld and a long list of other accusations that he has proof of but never revealed.

[Baerboxer]

Let's assume for a moment that it is a political plot to set off bombs. Which people stand to win most of it? That is the junta as they can now counter the US and say that martial law has to be kept in place while the junta can make the case that their highly illegal puppet parliament impeached the real prime minister did the right thing.

Only very naif people believe in coincidences. By the way, the junta has the people to climb up a electricity pole and place two mini bombs, while the red shirts do not have that capability and if they did they would be filmed by the dictators CCTV's who record everything except for a act of mass murder in a bordering temple.

The military don't need any excuses to continue martial law.

But it is in someones interest to destabilize and try to make the military look bad, now who could that be.

As for the rest of your red history BS...proof please.

Does anyone have a history of saying one thing, doing the other, trying to destabilize through acts of violence and intimidation?

Who would benefit from sending a message, remind people of what might happen. Impeachment and banning from politics is one thing, finding guilty of criminal offences and punishment is another. Maybe a little message, leave my sister alone, she's just a pawn puppet after all.

PTP claimed all the attacks on protesters were self inflicted, whilst prosecuting none, arresting none, letting the few who fell into their hands go free, and failing to stop the attacks. The same Thaksin party and allies who urged burning down Bangkok, invaded hospitals, and provoked serious violence in 2010.

[soalbundy]

Looks like the country isn't awash with happiness after all

[Baerboxer]

The scheming of the yellow administration has been ongoing since 2005. Constant efforts to destabilise & diminish their opposition, the only way they can contemplate retaining power. A PAD lady colleague of mine told me the week after Yingluck was elected that plans were in place for her removal.

Thaksin all did it himself.. had he not put himself on the list for amnesty.. they would still be in power.. his arrogance is what kills the PTP. With leaders like that who needs enemies.

Yeah right, and once the amnesty had blown over, I suppose Suthep's armed mob of off duty soldiers had nothing to do with it.

The amnesty didn't "blow over" though did it? That's just another Shin lie.

When the PM, Ms. Yingluck, stated she had listened to the people and withdrawn all the amnesty bill versions, she lied. The most contentious bill version, the one that completely whitewashed a brother of all and everything, wasn't withdrawn. It was rejected by the Senate but would have returned to the lower house and could then have been voted into law. She new this when she lied, just like when she vowed to the farmers they would be paid the following week, she lied. Throughout her short career as a PM she lied.

She was quite happy to lie in order to ensure PTP were still in office when this bill was returned and could be voted into law.That is how selfish this one family are.

[Chang_paarp]

I foresee a session of "attitude adjustment" in the future for Khun Jatuporn. The big question is how long until the invitation is issued?

[JAG]

I thought Jatuporn Prompan was in prison and if not why not

Why should he be in prison then? Because he holds views with which you disagree? Because he is a leading member of a political movement which you dislike? Because he dares to criticise politicians and a regime which he opposes, and for both of which you seem to have considerable admiration?

The man is a buffoon, the courts seem reluctant to jail him, but you say he should be in prison! Is it personal?

Edited February 5, 2015 by JAG

[ggold]

It must be remembered that he, Jatuporn, does nothing on his own, he is still a paid lackey of Thaksin, we have seen several times that Thaksin has given 'orders' to do this or not do that.

Thaksins strategy team has decided that the BS that the bombs were planted by the army should be reinforced and this is the result.

As we see on this topic alone there are those who are silly enough to believe this, so the Thai red supporters will be keen to believe.

Planting the bombs will all be part of the overall strategy.

Small explosions to cause a disturbance then go all out make it look like the military planted them to give them an excuse to continue martial law which western countries are against.

It also has the effect of getting countries to issue new travel advisories to make it look like Thailand is a dangerous place to visit due to political disturbance, in the hope that tourist numbers can be kept down to hurt the economy, for a depressed economy will make the military Govt look bad.

He is an extremely dangerous man Thaksin and will have an overall strategy planned to destabilize as much as possible, we have seen in the past, as per 2010, that he will do anything to get back into power and does not care who he hurts in the process, including his sister, or how much he damages the country.

In fact the country in chaos and bankruptcy would be a bonus to him as he could then return the great savior.

On thing he has against him is that he can no longer rely on the police, and arrests linked to the reds in this and the royal letter business (part of the plan) will stuff up things for him.

And you know that the army planting the bombs is BS?

I'm no lover of Thaksin, But why would he need to stir it up. If the army did plant the bombs, Then someone is going to look really stupid trying to accuse the reds of being the culprits. It would suit the culprits to suggest/insinuate the reds are responsible, to enforce the real reason of why there were bombs in the first place. Which would be to justify the current situation!

So Jutaporn came out and said the reds were not responsible, and says what most believe, the army may have done this! and all of a sudden we are on the verge of civil war, according to you? Even the idea that a bankrupt nation is Thaksins wish is

Still waiting to see if and who they arrest for this if anyone will be? IMO no one will be arrested.

What I wrote is commonsense and logic, do you really believe that Thaksin will ever give up trying to get back into power in any way he can ?

You on the other hand believe Jatuporn.

What most believe : http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/797835-poll-says-siam-paragon-bombing-is-politically-motivated/

48.81% said they believed politics was involved in the bombings, citing the incident came not long after the impeachment of firmer prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra by the National Legislative Assembly and the call by a US top diplomat to lift martial law. They said some dissent groups might want to discredit the military junta and its government.

31.53% voiced uncertainty if it was politically motivated as it could either be political motive or personal conflict, while 19.66% dismissed politics was involved.

Who could the political entity be that MOST people believe would do such a thing ?

When the arrests come we expect your apology.

all that shows is the natural reaction by people because of the bombs. It certainly doesn't lay the blame on any ones doorstep, and it achieves what the government want. More security on the streets, But only in the area of the Bombing! Haven't seen them beef up security where I am.

Of course it's about politics! the politics of staying in power justifying the need for Marshal law in the face of international objections to that law.

When no one is arrested, you can put on a dunces hat

[MaxLee]

My my, someone is asking for an XXXXXXTREME ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT. ....

Edited February 5, 2015 by MaxLee

[Nickymaster]

I thought Jatuporn Prompan was in prison and if not why not

He is on bail.

[Nickymaster]

The reds are the one who need things to change because the current peaceful situation is not helping them. They already failed milking the US's statements last week.

[Robby nz]

Something I apparently missed as I was away from home at the time :

January 28, 2015,

The court today sentenced the leader of the opposition Red Shirt movement to two years in prison for defaming a former premier, a move analysts said was the latest attack against critics of the military regime.

The ruling comes days after the retroactive impeachment and announcement of corruption charges against ex-prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra, whose toppled government was backed by the Red Shirts before May's army coup.

The court convicted Red Shirts chairman Jatuporn Prompan on two counts of defamation against former royalist prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during speeches he made in October 2009.

"The verdict is two years in prison without suspension," a court official told AFP.

Love the "analysts" bit wonder who pays their wages ?

So that now means he is on bail on a 2 year sentence, on a separate 2 year suspended sentence along with his mate Nuttawat, on bail for other charges related to 2010 with still other charges waiting to be heard.

You would think someone that deep in trouble would be keeping quiet.

Probably never heard the old saying: "When you are up to your ears in <deleted> it is best to keep your mouth shut"

But I suppose he thinks the money is worth it, if he thinks at all, still working on "Thaksin thinks........."

[Nickymaster]

I thought Jatuporn Prompan was in prison and if not why not

Why should he be in prison then? Because he holds views with which you disagree? Because he is a leading member of a political movement which you dislike? Because he dares to criticise politicians and a regime which he opposes, and for both of which you seem to have considerable admiration?

The man is a buffoon, the courts seem reluctant to jail him, but you say he should be in prison! Is it personal?

This might the reason he thinks that Jatuporn should be jail.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Jatuporn-sentenced-to-2-years-jail-for-insulting-A-30252857.html

( just saw that Robby already covered it)

Edited February 5, 2015 by Nickymaster

[worgeordie]

If it does come to another fight,he will be in the rear,with the other big mouths,

pushing the red believers or red thugs forward,to kill,destroy and burn.

Get him in jail double quick,anywhere else he would be classed as a terrorist.

regards worgeordie

[Eric Loh]

A fight is certainly on the way and it's not only Jatuporn. The rubber farmers, taxi drivers, truckers, energy activists are waiting in line for a showdown with the government. Just when you thought peace have been restored and reconcilation on the way, we are all back in square one. It seem a repeat of the '06 coup and wasted years before democracy is restored.

[ianf]

It must be remembered that he, Jatuporn, does nothing on his own, he is still a paid lackey of Thaksin, we have seen several times that Thaksin has given 'orders' to do this or not do that.

Thaksins strategy team has decided that the BS that the bombs were planted by the army should be reinforced and this is the result.

As we see on this topic alone there are those who are silly enough to believe this, so the Thai red supporters will be keen to believe.

Planting the bombs will all be part of the overall strategy.

Small explosions to cause a disturbance then go all out make it look like the military planted them to give them an excuse to continue martial law which western countries are against.

It also has the effect of getting countries to issue new travel advisories to make it look like Thailand is a dangerous place to visit due to political disturbance, in the hope that tourist numbers can be kept down to hurt the economy, for a depressed economy will make the military Govt look bad.

He is an extremely dangerous man Thaksin and will have an overall strategy planned to destabilize as much as possible, we have seen in the past, as per 2010, that he will do anything to get back into power and does not care who he hurts in the process, including his sister, or how much he damages the country.

In fact the country in chaos and bankruptcy would be a bonus to him as he could then return the great savior.

On thing he has against him is that he can no longer rely on the police, and arrests linked to the reds in this and the royal letter business (part of the plan) will stuff up things for him.

This is one of the most erudite posts I have ever seen on Thai Visa. Those of you who post Thaksin-supporting nonsense here should read and inwardly digest these wise words. The Governments who seek "a return to democracy" when in fact there has never been democracy here should also digest these words. Thanks Robby for writing with such clarity.

[ianf]

A fight is certainly on the way and it's not only Jatuporn. The rubber farmers, taxi drivers, truckers, energy activists are waiting in line for a showdown with the government. Just when you thought peace have been restored and reconcilation on the way, we are all back in square one. It seem a repeat of the '06 coup and wasted years before democracy is restored.

As I have oft asked Eric: How can you 'restore democracy' when there was none here in the first place? If you are one of those who believe that democracy starts and finishes at the ballot box, then I am afraid you need to learn about the world and it's puppet masters.

[dru2]

I thought Jatuporn Prompan was in prison and if not why not

Why should he be in prison then? Because he holds views with which you disagree? Because he is a leading member of a political movement which you dislike? Because he dares to criticise politicians and a regime which he opposes, and for both of which you seem to have considerable admiration?

The man is a buffoon, the courts seem reluctant to jail him, but you say he should be in prison! Is it personal?

He should be in prison because he has been convicted and sentenced to prison.

[Robby nz]

A fight is certainly on the way and it's not only Jatuporn. The rubber farmers, taxi drivers, truckers, energy activists are waiting in line for a showdown with the government. Just when you thought peace have been restored and reconcilation on the way, we are all back in square one. It seem a repeat of the '06 coup and wasted years before democracy is restored.

All these things you detail, would like to tell us how they came about, wouldn't be anything to do with the left over mess the present administration inherited would it ?

[Eric Loh]

A fight is certainly on the way and it's not only Jatuporn. The rubber farmers, taxi drivers, truckers, energy activists are waiting in line for a showdown with the government. Just when you thought peace have been restored and reconcilation on the way, we are all back in square one. It seem a repeat of the '06 coup and wasted years before democracy is restored.

As I have oft asked Eric: How can you 'restore democracy' when there was none here in the first place? If you are one of those who believe that democracy starts and finishes at the ballot box, then I am afraid you need to learn about the world and it's puppet masters.

It's weird when you try to teach me about democracy when you one of those who believe in coup will help restore democracy. You really have to learn from the world that military takeover of a civilian government is unconstitutional and democracy denied. And here is a little something about all political parties; all have puppet masters.

[winstonc]

A fight is certainly on the way and it's not only Jatuporn. The rubber farmers, taxi drivers, truckers, energy activists are waiting in line for a showdown with the government. Just when you thought peace have been restored and reconcilation on the way, we are all back in square one. It seem a repeat of the '06 coup and wasted years before democracy is restored.

All these things you detail, would like to tell us how they came about, wouldn't be anything to do with the left over mess the present administration inherited would it ?

bobby leave her alone..you know she aint the brightest.star in the sky....