Tatsujin Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 To be fair, they did crash the 2 jetskis into each other. I'm wondering how much damage was done from the accident. So what? When you rent a jetski, or anything else here, part of that rental fee covers the insurance costs. No tourist should have to pay anything, insurance should be covering it all, it's accidental damage. It's also not the tourists fault that the vendor allowed the insurance to lapse (or in most cases simply has no insurance anyway). In this scenario, what happens when that jetski accidentally runs over a swimmer they didn't see and killed them? It would be an accident, but who pays the compensation? The tourist who rented the jetski? No, the insurance company. That's what insurance is for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 When tourists will understand? NEVER EVER rent a jet sky in Thailand. NEVER. In many places around kingdom also avoid rent motorcycles... If you do it, you are ready to be scammed. Very likely. So just: AVOID. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducking and Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 He claimed he had to collect the damage fee because his insurance policy for the jet skis had expired. [ Oh yeah! I believe that. I am 99% certain that his insurance policy was in order and he claimed on it, unless the repair cost was actually so small he did not want to risk/lose his NCD. And note by the way, he freely stated he was not insured although the jetski-operators terms require them to be insured. Presumably that means he considered there was no risk of him being thrown out for not complying with the rules. And the rules are not enforced, worthless to the tourist, or anyone. Rules just so it "looks good". Thai-style. No substance, just good looks. And note also, if he had been insured he could only have claimed 30,000 baht for downtime (two skis at 15,000 each) from the tourist; in fact, in this case at the end of the day the tourist paid 50,000 baht, so that's the tourist paying the jet-ski operator an extra 20,000 baht, ok that's only a mere £400, (more, if the downtime was small) because the jet-ski operator had failed to comply with the rules the jet-ski operator was subject to, to maintain insurance. No logic to it, except the Thai "logic" that the tourist must always be the one to pay for Thai people's mistakes. You can see why people are told that Thailand is not the place to jet-ski. It's not just talk in the travelling community. So many get told that, but people still jet-ski here. We all take risks sometimes. Like coming to Thailand. :-) It's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinsom Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 MESSAGE FOR ANY ONE HIRING JET SKI take as many pictures prior to renting So if they say you damaged it you have proof And stand your ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Extraordinary that a tourist would EVEN pay the money. See here how you're forced into it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsPuoaktoAw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Saw a group of jet ski guys and the police surrounding two Russian girls at Kata Beach the other day. The girls had offered 2K, the jet ski guy insisted upon 20K and the police were threatening the Russian girls with going to the police station if they didn't pay. Really funny in that the Thai jet ski guy said he was giving them a discount on the fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 At least something good is happening here. If this was 2 years ago the Chinese had to pay 200k. Now he can complain and get away with it for only 15k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenfromAus Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 the tourist should not have had to pay, he should have been given a full refund. And the operator should have been penalised by the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 They are supposed to have insurance. Same old same old going on down there. As it was already said, the person running this whole scam must be one very, very powerful person. Probably the same as it is in Pattaya, whoever runs the city runs the biggest scams, or at least profits from them massively. Damn, I have forgotten the name of that guy that used to run Patpong for a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I don't really understand why the police and the jetski mafia bother fronting as jetski operators. Would it not be much easier if the jetski mafia guys walked up to random people on the beach and told them to hand over say 80.000 baht, or get a beating? This way they would also get alot more "customers", as there are alot more people on the beach than there are people renting jetskis. The police can then come to the rescue and lower the amount to 40,000, which the jetski mafia and police can then share. Noone would have to purchase expensive jetskis or move them up and down the beach every day, and noone would have to be disturbed, annoyed or run over by jetskis anymore. The tourists who get robbed will of course get upset and never come back, but that is already the case with the jetski scams anyway, so nothing will change in this regard. Furthermore, since there will no longer be any expenses involved such as buying jetskis, insurance, gasoline and so on, it might be possible to lower the demanded amount a bit, which would be good for the tourists. I think, if given a choice between renting a jetski and get scammed for 90,000, or not renting a jetski and get scammed for say 80,000, most tourists will choose the latter option and "save" 10,000. I really think this could be a win/win for everyone, and hope the jetski mafia and the police will consider this new business model. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Of course it hadn't really expired, he never had any insurance in the first place. Lies of this nature are so commonplace here, nobody even bothers to comment on them. correct, same old, same same. Cheats, liars and scrum. Even the jet ski committee know this. The Chinese embassy should summon his thai counterpart to protest, as was raised before with the Aussie government I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookiki Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Given the frequency with which this scam occurs, some drastic changes and oversight is needed. The TAT should be the initiating force to quell bad PR. The military or TAT should draft a standard contract to cover jet ski rentals. Even if users don't sign such an agreement, this would be the 'default' contract to be applied in any instance where damage has allegedly occurred. Many insurance policies apply deductible but I don't know if that is the case in Thailand. If there is a deductible, recovery of the deductible would not be unreasonable. It's not rocket science and these predators need to be reined in. That being said, I tell friends who intend to visit Thailand to NEVER rent a jet ski. I will continue to offer that advice until the current situation is change to protect the user. Edited February 10, 2015 by pookiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ..... Now a shiny well painted and presented jet ski can probably bring in more renters than a dented banged up jetski so I would be sympathetic to a repair bill being needed All jet skis are shiny and well painted until the plaster of paris putty & water based paint washes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtomtom69 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 To be fair, they did crash the 2 jetskis into each other. I'm wondering how much damage was done from the accident. True, that's the difference between this case and all the others you hear about where tourists of any given nationality in Pattaya, usually Indians and Russians but also others (probably Chinese too) have been asked to pay for pre-existing damage or make-believe damage to rented jetskis. This case does however sound a little like extortion given the damage bill claimed. As usual, the scammer backs down on the initial claim but the amount is still high. Compare that to the motorcycle my friend rented in Phnom Penh where he had a minor accident - he was adjusting his sunglasses and being a bit of a novice on a step-through scooter, he fell into a pot hole about 21km south of Phnom Penh and get this, I was riding my dirt bike and drove straight over him! However, since my bike had high clearance he barely felt anything as I drove over his buttocks. He was patched up at a local clinic for $15 (maybe that was a bit of a rip-off, but not sure since all the medical supplies were imported) but the motorcycle rental shop only charged him $70 for replacing the broken headlight and to re-paint some of the scratched surfaces on the bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaii69 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 They should not be allowed to operate without comprehensive insurance. These greedy morons will eventually get the message when the tourists stop coming. My rented Pattaya house was recently struck by lightning. About B100,000 loss to me. Landlady let insurance lapse so I'm stuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 so why don'y they have insurance? Because they continue to scam with impunity. it's a national disgrace! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 They should not be allowed to operate without comprehensive insurance. These greedy morons will eventually get the message when the tourists stop coming. My rented Pattaya house was recently struck by lightning. About B100,000 loss to me. Landlady let insurance lapse so I'm stuck if the landlady had insured it at some point, it would indicate that she assumes herself to be responsible for those sort of repairs ...... so she pays, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry001 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 On a another matter; they are renting out windsurfers to be used within a enclosed swimming area section on Dongtan Beach. A novice on a windsurfer does not have control. An out of control board can do a lot of damage to a swimmer. This type of thing simply amazes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm sick of hearing about these stories. Anyone dumb enough to rent a jet ski in pattaya has no right to complain for being a moron in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowfactor10 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 And again no arrest where made? Why these thugs do never get arrested.. och thai farang crimes no priority its somewhat accepted ok good to kno. makes me puke.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyHead Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Extraordinary that a tourist would EVEN pay the money. Hmmm... Lose some money or get brain damage.....lose some money or get brain damage......lose some money or get brain damage. I'll lose some money, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyboy Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 To be fair, they did crash the 2 jetskis into each other. I'm wondering how much damage was done from the accident. To be fair, the legal, compulsory insurance should cover any damage. Yes, I agree that the ins should cover all damage but no ins company will pay out for the loss of earning from that jet ski whilst it is in the workshop and not on the water. I think then that some compensation should be paid by the renter but not the scammed amounts that are being reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebrown Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 IMHO the reason why Jetski operators don't buy reputable insurance is because they are already 'insured' by their fellow scammers who can apply 'physical persuasion' and/or their 'back-up' team, namely RTP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 MESSAGE FOR ANY ONE HIRING JET SKI take as many pictures prior to renting So if they say you damaged it you have proof And stand your ground ...and make sure you have medical insurance - you may need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingalfred Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 And we are told things are "being sorted" on Phuket! Haha. By law Jet Ski operators should have insurance for accidents. The police should side with any customer who is told they have to pay for damage.As this is not the case only one conclusion. Corruption reigns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingalfred Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Extraordinary that a tourist would EVEN pay the money. Hmmm... Lose some money or get brain damage.....lose some money or get brain damage......lose some money or get brain damage. I'll lose some money, thanks. Ok in a nutshell, Phuket is as lawless as it it ever was. Cosmetic Bullshit about reforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 On a another matter; they are renting out windsurfers to be used within a enclosed swimming area section on Dongtan Beach. A novice on a windsurfer does not have control. An out of control board can do a lot of damage to a swimmer. This type of thing simply amazes me. True a novice on a windsurfer does not have control, but a novice on a windsurfer probably sails 5 km/h, unlike a novice on a jetski who easily goes 70 km/h. Further, the windsurfer is much lighter than a jetski, and due to the low speed (for novices), much easier to avoid for swimmers. Worst case, the swimmer can simply grap the surfboard with both hands at the front, which, if going 5 km/h, will also cause an almost immediate stop to the surfboard. Further, if a novice on a windsurfer sees someone in front of him he cannot avoid, he will usually just fall/jump in the water, causing an immediate stop of the windsurfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 To be fair, they did crash the 2 jetskis into each other. I'm wondering how much damage was done from the accident. To be fair, the legal, compulsory insurance should cover any damage. Yes, I agree that the ins should cover all damage but no ins company will pay out for the loss of earning from that jet ski whilst it is in the workshop and not on the water. I think then that some compensation should be paid by the renter but not the scammed amounts that are being reported. Why is this different from car insurance, or any other vehicle insurance in any country? If a car rental company such as AVIS or BUDGET cannot get insurance compensation for loss of earnings during repair, it will simply calculate the average loss of earnings during repair, and increase prices slightly for all customers to cover that loss, just like banks increase fees/rates overall to cover NPLs (non performing loans) and shops and stores in general set their prices to cover loss due to shoplifting. This is completely reasonable, and there is no reason jetskis cannot do the same. Of course, with the jetskis, the goal is to scam the customers, and in that case the above obviously does not work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 And again no arrest where made? Why these thugs do never get arrested.. och thai farang crimes no priority its somewhat accepted ok good to kno. makes me puke.. Policemen generally do not arrest themselves ... this goes for any country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidee Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 people still fall for this crap and the renter, he still in business? even with expired licence ? thailand, you gotto love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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