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Benny Yahoo deserves a kick in the balls for his rank discourtesy.

However, the Yanks as arbiter of good and evil in the world has not been a great success.

Frankly, Pakistan with nuclear weapons is far more worrying than Iran. The Iranians would be a great counter balance to Saudi. As far as I am concerned, the West should sell them plant and control the enrichment process.

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"The White House was furious when Netanyahu's government defied Obama and announced plans to construct new housing units in East Jerusalem while Biden was visiting Israel in 2010. Additional housing plans that year upended U.S. efforts to restart peace talks between the Israelis and Palestinians."

I have said this before but herein lies the crux of the problem. I believe the dislocation of Palestinians to build these settlements has been the single biggest hindrance to any possible peaceful settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The Israelis just keep taking land and building settlements on it. They have done it in the face of administrations both Republican and Democrat suggesting that they don't do it. They have continually defied world opinion in this matter as if they are some kind of rogue state. Then they expect the US to continue with its 3 billion dollars in aid per year and expect sympathy from the world always wanting us to remember the holocaust. They are dead wrong on the settlement issue and the US and world should once and for all tell them so.

While I am no fan of Obama as I think he is over his head in international and domestic issues, I give him some credit on the Israel issue. I would not have been as diplomatic in my relations with Israel. I am interested to hear what Netanyahu has to say. However, as the same time if I was Obama and felt it was necessary, I would then give a nationwide speech rebutting what I thought to be necessary. Let the American people hear both sides and make a decision. All too often the American public is out of the loop on these issues.

Obama as I think he is over his head in international and domestic issues.

Obama makes up for his lack of experience and diplomacy in international affairs by demonizing other heads of state, refusing to work with the US Congress, and making unilateral domestic decisions to promote his own dark agenda...what a guy!

Prez Obama is like everyone else watching Netanyahu self-destruct in his uncompromising extremism except Barack is sitting front row center......

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The media report and its source are political spam.

Maybe the NY Times is more to your liking?

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White House Offers Rebuttal Before Netanyahu’s Speech
By DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL R. GORDON
FEB. 27, 2015
WASHINGTON — Just four days before Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to a joint meeting of Congress, the Obama administration sought on Friday to refute the Israeli leader’s expected critique, arguing that he has failed to present a feasible alternative to American proposals for constraining Iran’s nuclear program.
In a briefing for reporters, senior administration officials contended that even an imperfect agreement that kept Iran’s nuclear efforts frozen for an extended period was preferable to a breakdown in talks that could allow the leadership in Tehran unfettered ability to produce enriched uranium and plutonium.
“The alternative to not having a deal is losing inspections,” said one senior official, who would not be quoted by name under conditions that the administration set for the briefing, “and an Iran ever closer to having the fissile material to manufacture a weapon.”
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John Boehner and his buddies in the Republican caucus have apparently been so busy loving the Constitution, that they forgot to read it. Somehow, Boehner missed that the Speaker of the House is not the prime minister of America, and (s)he is neither the head of government, nor the head of state.

But Boehner decided to play head of state, and invited Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak in front of congress, without consulting America’s actual head of state, President Barack Obama. Boehner has been getting blowback for his invitation from a variety of quarters for several weeks. Now, a new poll says that, in addition to the disapproval he has faced from the White House, Democrats, and others in the political classes, Boehner’s power play is being rejected by almost half of Americans.

According to NBC News, a poll of 800 voters, conducted between February 25 and 28, reveals that 48 percent say that Boehner and Republicans should not have invited Netanyahu to speak, without first notifying the president. Another 30 percent say the invitation was okay, and 22 percent say they don’t have enough information to decide.

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Israeli has no faith in the complex negotiations under way between Iran and the US (along with its five partners) to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. It pushes for greater sanctions on Iran knowing that—as Secretary of State John Kerry has said—additional sanctions would threaten the diplomatic path. If the nuclear talks fail, the violence that has engulfed the Middle East will only get worse and will put the US on a dangerous path to more war.

You think bombing Iran would lessen the violence huh?

I don't think they need to be bombed. I think sanctions should be tough until they allow international inspectors.

I DO think that if the West allows Iran to get a nuke, the Israel will know it an hit a first strike before it actually happens.

Israel could level Iran. That could start a real war and...

Obama apparently doesn't know or care about negotiating from a position of strength.

No greater sanctions than the oil price, which the Saudis to a certain extent control. Probably why the US sits in bed with the Saudis to be honest!

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The media report and its source are political spam.

Maybe the NY Times is more to your liking?

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White House Offers Rebuttal Before Netanyahu’s Speech
By DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL R. GORDON
FEB. 27, 2015
WASHINGTON — Just four days before Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to a joint meeting of Congress, the Obama administration sought on Friday to refute the Israeli leader’s expected critique, arguing that he has failed to present a feasible alternative to American proposals for constraining Iran’s nuclear program.
In a briefing for reporters, senior administration officials contended that even an imperfect agreement that kept Iran’s nuclear efforts frozen for an extended period was preferable to a breakdown in talks that could allow the leadership in Tehran unfettered ability to produce enriched uranium and plutonium.
“The alternative to not having a deal is losing inspections,” said one senior official, who would not be quoted by name under conditions that the administration set for the briefing, “and an Iran ever closer to having the fissile material to manufacture a weapon.”

Maybe the NY Times is more to your liking?

It is of course a given. The Town Hall source does not even register on the media monitor not to mention the lesson some need to learn by just in this instance comparing and contrasting the headline kicker of each...

Town Spammer Hall: Obama White House In Full Panic Mode Over Netanyahu Speech

NYT White House Offers Rebuttal Before Netanyahu’s Speech

The stark 180-degree difference has always been readily apparent...nay, obvious.

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The people who support Netyanhu in opposing the negotiations have no peaceful alternative plan to deal with a nuclear Iran.

A BAD deal is worse than no deal at all. Iran should not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. PERIOD.

Meet John Kerry.

He's the secretary of state.

And he's the guy who thinks and believes the same as you and the rest of us do, all of us over on this side, to include the P5+1.....

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“The policy is Iran will not get a nuclear weapon,” Secretary of State John Kerry said earlier Tuesday. “And anybody running around right now, jumping in to say, well, we

don’t like the deal, or this or that, doesn’t know what the deal is. There is no deal yet.”

| The Times of Israel http://www.timesofis.../#ixzz3T7CaKIkp

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BREAKING: These Black Pastors Just Teamed Up to DEFY Barack Obama

A group of well-respected black pastors just made that very clear, and strongly criticized the president and the Congressional Black Caucus for snubbing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu.

http://conservativetribune.com/black-pastors-defy-obama/

It is consistently true over time that, plus or minus a couple of percentage points, ten percent of blacks vote Republican. This was true well before 2008, it remained true in 2012, and it is highly likely to remain true going forward.

These "well-respected black pastors" are a group who have their own political views to which they are entitled, same as the second black justice to sit on the SCOTUS Clarence 'Uncle' Thomas, who was successfully nominated by a Republican president, G.H.W. Bush.

At the CPAC conference of conservative and tea party people near Washington last week into the weekend the Republican party presidential competitors had to politically kiss the rings of some of the pastors referenced in the post. These pastors may have a certain measure of respect in their communities, but they are not politically neutral or disassociated pastors. The US political right loves 'em.

These pastors are entitled to have their own political views and their views make them comfortable to be in the conservative hard right movement in the US. Look at Condoleezza 'Mushroom Cloud' Rice, Colin Powell the political general who was brought into the White House by Prez Nixon etc etc.

BROKEN

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Maybe the NY Times is more to your liking?

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White House Offers Rebuttal Before Netanyahu’s Speech
By DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL R. GORDON
FEB. 27, 2015
WASHINGTON — Just four days before Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to a joint meeting of Congress, the Obama administration sought on Friday to refute the Israeli leader’s expected critique, arguing that he has failed to present a feasible alternative to American proposals for constraining Iran’s nuclear program.
In a briefing for reporters, senior administration officials contended that even an imperfect agreement that kept Iran’s nuclear efforts frozen for an extended period was preferable to a breakdown in talks that could allow the leadership in Tehran unfettered ability to produce enriched uranium and plutonium.
“The alternative to not having a deal is losing inspections,” said one senior official, who would not be quoted by name under conditions that the administration set for the briefing, “and an Iran ever closer to having the fissile material to manufacture a weapon.”

Maybe the NY Times is more to your liking?

It is of course a given. The Town Hall source does not even register on the media monitor not to mention the lesson some need to learn by just in this instance comparing and contrasting the headline kicker of each...

Town Spammer Hall: Obama White House In Full Panic Mode Over Netanyahu Speech

NYT White House Offers Rebuttal Before Netanyahu’s Speech

The stark 180-degree difference has always been readily apparent...nay, obvious.

And any way you slice it, it is still spin.

Whether it is done by Townhall or the NY Times.

Tuff to slice while it's still spinning dontcha think

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Not sure if anyone saw this article:

"Why Obama's Iran Deal is a Path to War"

http://nypost.com/2015/03/01/why-obamas-iran-deal-is-a-path-to-war/

The author of the piece in the once respected New York Post is identified in the newspaper as a member of the American Security Council, a very recently organized 501© group of hard right conservatives.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/groundswell-rightwing-group-ginni-thomas

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BREAKING: These Black Pastors Just Teamed Up to DEFY Barack Obama

A group of well-respected black pastors just made that very clear, and strongly criticized the president and the Congressional Black Caucus for snubbing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu.

http://conservativetribune.com/black-pastors-defy-obama/

It is consistently true over time that, plus or minus a couple of percentage points, ten percent of blacks vote Republican. This was true well before 2008, it remained true in 2012, and it is highly likely to remain true going forward.

These "well-respected black pastors" are a group who have their own political views to which they are entitled, same as the second black justice to sit on the SCOTUS Clarence 'Uncle' Thomas, who was successfully nominated by a Republican president, G.H.W. Bush.

At the CPAC conference of conservative and tea party people near Washington last week into the weekend the Republican party presidential competitors had to politically kiss the rings of some of the pastors referenced in the post. These pastors may have a certain measure of respect in their communities, but they are not politically neutral or disassociated pastors. The US political right loves 'em.

These pastors are entitled to have their own political views and their views make them comfortable to be in the conservative hard right movement in the US. Look at Condoleezza 'Mushroom Cloud' Rice, Colin Powell the political general who was brought into the White House by Prez Nixon etc etc.

BROKEN

Why would you call a Supreme Court justice and "Uncle Tom?" I do not always believe in Clarence Thomas' application or interpretation of the law. That does not matter. Labeling him an Uncle Tom is offensive just because you do not align with his views or decisions. No matter how a court rules, one side will typically be disappointed. The offensive part is that your stereo type and judge black people who do act how you expect them to act.

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Not sure if anyone saw this article:

"Why Obama's Iran Deal is a Path to War"

http://nypost.com/2015/03/01/why-obamas-iran-deal-is-a-path-to-war/

The author of the piece in the once respected New York Post is identified in the newspaper as a member of the American Security Council, a very recently organized 501© group of hard right conservatives.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/groundswell-rightwing-group-ginni-thomas

Shooting the messenger is for amateurs. Obama's "deal" is a path to war and that's what has thinking people riled up.

Obama has to kick the can down the road for less than two years and then any war will all be Bush's fault. Obama doesn't have to run for reelection. He can just continue to appease his muslim buddies and then blame what happens on someone else.

that's what has thinking people riled up.

Thinking people usually get organized, self-disciplined, focused to surround the problem rather than get "riled." There's just a lot of loose talk and thought in all of this Iran nuclear Israel matter.

"Obama's deal" as the post blindly describes it is in fact the deal of the P5+1 which the conservatives and others on the far right conveniently and completely ignore. The good guy negotiating team are the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, China, Russia, USA, UK, France and the one is Germany which is currently a rotating UNSC member in a regular two year term.

Germany, France, UK known as the EU-3 started seeking negotiations with Iran 2002. Their 2003 Tehran Agreement headed off a serious confrontation between Iran and the United States. Consequently, in 2006 the EU-3 became the P5+1 when they were joined by the United States, China, Russia. During the Obama presidency major progress in the negotiations have been realized to the point of the present international consensus that an agreement "is at hand."

Tomorrow in a joint session of Congress Netanyahu, Boehner and hard-liners everywhere begin a major offensive against successful negotiations and an agreement. Bibi is right and the world is wrong and Bibi isn't going to quit ranting and raging until the world sees it his way absolutely, entirely, completely. I suspect Bibi is headed for a Bridge on the River Kwai ending.

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Questioning the trustworthiness of Obama may be justified, but questioning Netanyahu is positively necessary. He is asking the US to do its dirty work.

All he is asking is that we refuse any deal that would allow Iran to enrich uranium. That was also the US position until very recently:

"... it has always been the U.S. position that that article IV of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty does not speak about the right of enrichment at all [and] doesn't speak to enrichment, period. It simply says that you have the right to research and development. And many countries such as Japan and Germany have taken that [uranium enrichment] to be a right. But the United States does not take that position. We take the position that we look at each one of these [cases]. And more to the point, the UN Security Council has suspended Iran's enrichment until they meet their international obligations. They didn't say they have suspended their right to enrichment, they have suspended their enrichment, so we do not believe there is an inherent right by anyone to enrichment."

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/reversing-irans-nuclear-program

It has to frustrate Israel that the US acts independently in its nuclear negotiations with Iran and puts Israel's national security SECOND to the US national security. When the US refused to protect Israel should it make a first strike nuclear attack on Iran without US agreement about 6 years ago, Israel had begun a campaign to cower Obama into a servant of Israel foreign policy. Didn't happen. Isn't going to happen.

With a Republican controlled Senate, Israel now gambles on a further divide with the US to manipulate support there to force Obama's foreign policy. However being such a good friend of the US, that will be a miscalculation that will further isolate Israel - dead or alive.

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