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pointing out reality in Thailand...

But it is only when a large number of people stand together to say they have had enough, that military coups will truly become a thing of the past.

that is straight talk ...

and

I wish I could be someone who serves coup-makers, while wishing there are no more coups - but then I would be making a mockery of myself.

the current state of affairs for the paid, junta flunkies in the NLA, CDC, NRC, etc... coffee1.gif

Good luck to Pravit and other honest Thai people like him.

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There shouldn't be any price to pay to stop the military interfering but unfortunately the reality is that no one can stop them and they're self appointed guardians of much more than defending the nation.

This can only change if the military drop this role and that's not going to happen as they do everything for the ' good of the nation ', of course ! ;)

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One way to prevent future coups would be to amend the constitution and remove the articles granting amnesty to the coup makers.

Then trial them for high treason applying their own martial law, which would result in death penalty.

But perhaps better abolish totally this outdated martial law, which if I am informed correctly, dates from absolute monarchy, i.e. has not constitutional basis.

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Yes the "educated" bangkok residents who have trouble with the word "integrity" . Sadly, integrity is not stressed enough. It is all about money and what is good for me.

What do these guys get paid for writing yet another constitution ?

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What a nonsense....

Not the coup was the problem. It was the big problems that made the coup the only option. And Thailand wasn't more democratic before the coup. A 500 Baht per vote election isn't worth anything.

Well said h90.

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What a nonsense....

Not the coup was the problem. It was the big problems that made the coup the only option. And Thailand wasn't more democratic before the coup. A 500 Baht per vote election isn't worth anything.

Well said h90.

You think? No I don't think that you think.

Obvious really.....IT'S A SECRET BALLOT!!!!! That means nobody knows who you voted for. Take the 500THB then vote for who you like.

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Do Thai nationals give a meaningful thought, to the status quo of their country? I may be wrong, but I personally think most Thais couldn't careless? Past history may be a good indication as to how, the future may unfold? The last military rule seemed to have little impact, with business going back to normal, and now, yet another military rule. No stability. Very sad.

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But it is only when a large number of people stand together to say they have had enough, that military coups will truly become a thing of the past.

Here's an idea, stop keep giving them reasons to. How about that. Duh.

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What I don't like is Secretary of State Kerry stuck his nose into Thai Politics condemning the Army takeover putting a strain on Thai American relations. Kerry should stop and think before opening his big mouth! I have no problem with present General in charge. He is a military career man and does what he think is right and does it. He has been the first PM that stands before the Thai people every week for an hour explaining what he has done, going to do, and does it! For a person who has never run a country,I think he is doing a good job. BUT ONLY IF HE LIGHTEN UP ON THE IMMIGRATION ISSUES WE ALL FACE. He's got my vote if I could!!!

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What I don't like is Secretary of State Kerry stuck his nose into Thai Politics condemning the Army takeover putting a strain on Thai American relations. Kerry should stop and think before opening his big mouth! I have no problem with present General in charge. He is a military career man and does what he think is right and does it. He has been the first PM that stands before the Thai people every week for an hour explaining what he has done, going to do, and does it! For a person who has never run a country,I think he is doing a good job. BUT ONLY IF HE LIGHTEN UP ON THE IMMIGRATION ISSUES WE ALL FACE. He's got my vote if I could!!!

Kerry can say whatever he wants, and the general has lots to answer for usurping power. There should not be a general in charge. One man is not fit to make all decisions; from bus station toilets to energy contracts.

Him immigration crack down only hurts lower and middle class Thais. He cares little for them. Many Restauranteurs complain of not having regular, farang customers anymore.

You are cheering on a man who has no respect for you what so ever.

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One way to prevent future coups would be to amend the constitution and remove the articles granting amnesty to the coup makers.

One small problem: every coup maker first abolishes the constitution or places himself above the law.

In most countries the constitution is something special, it gives the fundamental principles on which the country is founded. Only in Thailand the constitution is a temporary piece of paper with laws/guidelines created by the person who was in charge of the last coup. When the constitution is abolished in Thailand it is business as usual and nobody blinks an eye.

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I really do think that many people actually have no idea about reality, and whenever this subject (Junta) is raised they automatically oppose the military takeover. If they gave some logical argument why the takeover was bad for Thailand - instead of being an ignorant teenager and saying : "it isn't right" "I dont like it" - then maybe they would have a different attitude to this and many other things about their life.

They way I see it, the best thing about the Military takeover was that they probably stopped a civil war (of sorts) between yellows and reds. They are also the only Thai Govt that ever tells people what they are doing and why - as stated by others above. And they are addressing issues on a weekly basis, and as a result so are the local authorities. I could name many issues, but I will just state that whenever the subject of one of their changes causes concerns (like blocked footpaths, or squatters in floodways), or when one of their flow-ons causes concerns (beach chairs), the idiots and vested interests automatically are automatically against it. Let me tell you what you are. Does this ring a bell?

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

You claim to be speaking on behalf of everyone else, but just like the Judean Perople's Front, you are just a malcontented bunch with no real ideas on how to run things.

Let me explain 'flow-ons'. Because local authorities are no longer 100% focussed on themselves and their vested interests (whichever side they are on) they can, and actually now are, starting to address issues. The reason is simple, they are either being specifically directed to do so, or they are doing something because they have (all) been told to get their act together or they will be replaced (and some have been). This is exactly what this country needs, the local authorities to be forced into addressing issues by a Govt that can and will get rid of them if they dont. The previous Govts could never take such harsh actions, because they are also subject to their own vested interests, and also subject to the pressure of 'democracy'. The military government is the only one that can force the authorities and their vested interests to 'tow the line' or else - and mean it.

There are principles and then there are practicalities - good Governance is finding a balance between the two, and then adjusting to the ever changing economic and social issues. If any country lets one of those factors over-run the other, the inevitable result is either economic catastrophy and social decay (Sth Africa/Zimbabwe), or a police-state with social unrest followed by economic ruin (Germany/Russia). Right now, Thailand needs to take a heavy dose of 'practicality' to get itself back on a more even keel - economically and socially. Personally it is clear to me that the upsides of the military takeover far outway the negatives. However, having said that, I believe that my view is only valid as long as the military eventually step aside and let an elected Govt take over when it is appropriate. When, I am yet to decide, as are many others. But for now, things are starting to be adddressed and the dose of practicality should be allowed to run its course for a while longer.

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I really do think that many people actually have no idea about reality, and whenever this subject (Junta) is raised they automatically oppose the military takeover. If they gave some logical argument why the takeover was bad for Thailand - instead of being an ignorant teenager and saying : "it isn't right" "I dont like it" - then maybe they would have a different attitude to this and many other things about their life.

Will not bother addressing your entire comment. Will address why it is bad for Thailand :

1 Visas to do business are a nightmare now

2. Corruption has not changed for those doing busness

3. Innovation is stymied. Smart people are avoiding Thailand as it is a hassle.

What is fun to watch is the rising of Cambodia. Many have left LoS avoiding all the visa hassles. Chinese are flying direct, avoiding Thailand completely for the beaches and casinos.

Because of the junta, it is easier to do things in China, Cambodia and other places than Thailand. So you are right. It is a great thing if you are not in Thailand.

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What a nonsense....

Not the coup was the problem. It was the big problems that made the coup the only option. And Thailand wasn't more democratic before the coup. A 500 Baht per vote election isn't worth anything.

Do you really think that 500 baht per vote was one sided? I think that the 500 baht per vote was on both sides and in the end only cancelled each other out and thus you were right a 500 baht per vote election isn't worth anything just a waste of money by both sides.

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What is fun to watch is the rising of Cambodia. Many have left LoS avoiding all the visa hassles. Chinese are flying direct, avoiding Thailand completely for the beaches and casinos.

Because of the junta, it is easier to do things in China, Cambodia and other places than Thailand. So you are right. It is a great thing if you are not in Thailand.

I know you dont like it, and I know you dont think it is 'right' - but I would like to know, what is your point?

My point is that it IS what is needed - there are no more killings in the streets between 'democratic' opponents.

And as the PM just said - if you dont like it, then you are free to leave anytime you want.

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These opponents of the junta are not just resisting, but they are also hoping to reduce the chance of future coups by ensuring that the cost of staging a coup is high.

It's not that difficult, just enforce the law ... a coup is illegal under Thai and international law so the like to Prayut should be immediately arrested and charged with sedition and treason.

A staunch critic of the draconian lese majeste law, he refused to accept the coup-makers' legitimacy and chose to flee the Kingdom instead. Last week, he was dismissed by Thammasat University, where he has been teaching for nearly two decades, after the university administrators decided to sack him for not returning to teach.

And what else would he expect from a dictator? Certainly it's clear that democracy does not and cannot exist under a junta.

Sombat Boonngam-anong, Red Sunday Group leader, is another person who took a public stand against the coup-makers. He was subsequently arrested and is now facing military court - a court where one does not have the right to appeal.

And a court that has no legal jurisdiction under Thai or international law.

The list of those who are resisting the junta is long, with some names more famous than others. Some have sacrificed their career, left their families behind or are standing trial for defending democracy in the hope that one day there will be no more military intervention.

An you should all be applauded for wanting to reinstate democracy, civil rights, human rights and freedom ... something Prayut and his merry band will continue to deny you.

What I want to know is why Obama, Cameron and those in the EU are still doing business with Thailand. After all isn't it against their principles to do business with a dictator. If the Western governments are serious about the policy of democracy, freedom, human and civil rights then it's time they stepped up to the plate and placed strategic sanctions on Thailand until such a time that effectively forces the likes of Prayut to step down and allow the people their democratic right to vote. It is irrelevant whom they choose to lead providing it is the choice of the majority.

What I want to know is why Obama, Cameron and those in the EU are still doing business with Thailand. Come come now do not be naive. The above people (many more can be included) have no care for peoples rights they are nothing but the hand maidens of big business. Human rights are being held in check in China, Vietnam and a lot of other countries but this does not stop the above from doing business with them. Its the mandate of big business and politicians must obey or loose their political funding. As soon as a country like Burma opens up big business flocks there to take advantage of the cheapest labor on the planet. Its all about profit profit profit. People are only a commodity to be used up and discarded.

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After next general election the military should be put in the hands of the government not a law unto themselves they will decide when we take over the country if we need new jets submarine or aircraft carrier oh come on boys lets have a coupe then we can get all this at once and a few new Mercedes-Benz 500S for us generals People power not Junta power military stays in the barrack's where they belong and do their job not government house.

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What is fun to watch is the rising of Cambodia. Many have left LoS avoiding all the visa hassles. Chinese are flying direct, avoiding Thailand completely for the beaches and casinos.

Because of the junta, it is easier to do things in China, Cambodia and other places than Thailand. So you are right. It is a great thing if you are not in Thailand.

I know you dont like it, and I know you dont think it is 'right' - but I would like to know, what is your point?

My point is that it IS what is needed - there are no more killings in the streets between 'democratic' opponents.

And as the PM just said - if you dont like it, then you are free to leave anytime you want.

I really do think that many people actually have no idea about reality, and whenever this subject (Junta) is raised they automatically oppose the military takeover. If they gave some logical argument why the takeover was bad for Thailand - instead of being an ignorant teenager and saying : "it isn't right" "I dont like it" - then maybe they would have a different attitude to this and many other things about their life.

You asked why people do not like the junta. That was answered.

Killing is the streets, for whatever reason, should be dealt with by law enforcement. Not by deposing an entire elected government. Had the general enforced laws to protect all citizens. That would have honorable.

MANY are leaving. That is a point covered as well, Sick of the immigration hassles and the just plain silliness of it all.

Westerners like yourself toss liberty at the first sign of trouble, ought to do some soul searching.

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What a nonsense....

Not the coup was the problem. It was the big problems that made the coup the only option. And Thailand wasn't more democratic before the coup. A 500 Baht per vote election isn't worth anything.

Well said h90.

You think? No I don't think that you think.

Obvious really.....IT'S A SECRET BALLOT!!!!! That means nobody knows who you voted for. Take the 500THB then vote for who you like.

In some of the rural areas ballots are not always so secret especially where village headmen get an extra payment for ensuring the vote goes in a certain way and they are good at ensuring extra cash for the ' village ', administered by them of course.

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Westerners like yourself toss liberty at the first sign of trouble, ought to do some soul searching.

And you should grow up - this is not a western country with western police forces and with inherent civilised values built on institutions in place for hundreds of years.

The Thai police were never going to stop the killings, nor solve so many problems - the military stepped in and did, and are.

This is Thailand - What school/college system filled your head with so much utopian rubbish that you cant see that.

It amazes me that there are so many anti-junta Expats compared to Thais (percentage) - but that is because they understand principles, but have little common sense (not practical).

Allow me to elaborate and maybe even a bit erudite - there is information, there is knowledge, and then there is understanding.

Information : Tomatoes are red and are grown in gardens.

Knowledge: Tomatoes can be bought for 20baht a kilo and are actually a fruit not a vegetable.

Understanding: Tomatoes do NOT go in a fruit salad.

So many people these days are full of information, have only enough knowledge to be dangerous, but have SFA understanding.

Want some? Understanding??

Imagine USA/AUS/UK 400 years ago - a few large Cities but 90% of people in Villages/Towns - no national Laws as such - everything run by local Authorities - nepotism and corruption endemic.

Now put down your books and ideals and take a good look around you !

Welcome to Thailand (and most of SEAsia - most of Sth America - and all of Africa).

If you can deal with that - stay and enjoy. If you cant - then you should go.

Understand??

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