villagefarang Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 In that case I would wait until the rainy season starts in May or June. Wait until we have at least one big storm which lasts for more than one day. Then the sky will be beautiful. Will it really? What about the small fires people make in their backyards? Here in Chanthaburi we are yet to find neighborhood where one can breatthe freely. I'm assuming it's the same around CR and CM? You are correct in assuming people burn throughout the year. What changes is the volume of burning and the meteorological conditions. I have photographic evidence of how nice it can be but it is not that way all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 No two days are ever the same. We have good days and bad days but with a little common sense there is no reason a healthy person can't adapt to the changes. At least we aren't going to freeze to death in a blizzard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowisee Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Very cool montage villagefarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyDaRench Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Tremendous photos that certainly capture the differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Went to Chiang Mai last Saturday and saw fire-fighting units along the way. I kind of find this a bit worrying because if they do not allow the fires to occur, forest floor debris accumulates and in later years could be more fuel for larger - more intense fires that eventually kill the trees. So Human intervention to suppress these fires could actually be causing more danger to the forest in later years. Low intensity forest fires, on the other hand allows tree seeds to germinate. Fire is one way of scarifying seeds. Scarification is the process of weakening the nut to allow the seed to germinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The thing is, this yearly burning is human intervention as well and clearly not natural. One does wonder what would happen to those huge teak leaves on the forest floor, if they were left alone. Would they work their way into the soil and improve its quality, spurring more growth? Would they create a dense carpet of organic material and perhaps suppress the growth of unwanted plants? Maybe they would remain dry tinder and lead to massive uncontrolled forest fires. I keep expecting one of our local fires to get out of control and scorch an entire mountain or burn down someone’s home. Surprisingly my worst fears have yet to become a reality, at least in our area. I clearly don’t appreciate this time of year, and how it curtails some of my favorite activities, but I seem to lack the certainty of others when it comes to opinions on how to fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowisee Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm going to go way out on a limb (pun intended)Wildfires are exclusive to conifers? In a forest where fire suppression is priority... take the famous Yellowstone fire.Here, the leaves on the forest floor would not provide enough fuel to create the heat and the teak trees do not burn like a conifer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Reasons for Prescribed Buring There are many potential benefits to be gained from using prescribed burning as a tool in forest resource management, including the reduction of hazardous fuels; the preparation of sites for seeding or planting; the improvement of wildlife habitat; the disposal of logging debris; disease control; etc. A single prescribed burn can achieve multiple benefits. For example, a well-planned burn can reduce fire hazard and also improve wildlife habitat, and almost any prescribed burn improves access. Prescribed fires are not always beneficial, however. When conditions are wrong, prescribed fire can severely damage the very resource it was intended to benefit. Prescribed fire is a complex management tool, and should be used only with care under controlled conditions. Reduce hazardous fuels Forest fuels accumulate rapidly in the pine stands of the Atlantic and Gulf coastal plains. In five to six years, heavy "roughs" (the live understorey and dead fuels that accumulate on the forest plains over time) can build up, posing a serious threat from wildfire to all forest resources. Prescribed fire is the most practical way to reduce dangerous accumulations of combustible fuels under southern pine stands. The appropriate interval between prescribed burns for fuel reduction varies with several factors, which include the rate of fuel accumulation, past wildfire occurrence, and values at risk. The interval between fires can be as little as one year, although a three- or four-year cycle is adequate to attain most objectives. http://www.fao.org/docrep/t9500e/t9500e07.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's not a bad year for smoke really. It is worse the last week or so then it was, but it has been much worse by this time previous years. We should be through the worst of it in a couple of weeks. To the OP, there is no difference in the general area around Chiang Rai province for smoke. It moves with the wind and comes from the whole region, and Burma and Laos too. So trying to pick a place to live in the province to miss the smoke would be quite impossible. However, most of the year it won't be an issue. As far as the masks go, If you think you can wear them 24/7 go ahead and buy them, but if it were me I would come up and see for myself first. If you are arriving on the 20th, it is possible the smoke is already thinning out for the year. March is the worst part generally. I wrote this post before the sun came up. The last three days have been pretty bad. Hopefully this is the peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's not a bad year for smoke really. It is worse the last week or so then it was, but it has been much worse by this time previous years. We should be through the worst of it in a couple of weeks. To the OP, there is no difference in the general area around Chiang Rai province for smoke. It moves with the wind and comes from the whole region, and Burma and Laos too. So trying to pick a place to live in the province to miss the smoke would be quite impossible. However, most of the year it won't be an issue. As far as the masks go, If you think you can wear them 24/7 go ahead and buy them, but if it were me I would come up and see for myself first. If you are arriving on the 20th, it is possible the smoke is already thinning out for the year. March is the worst part generally. I wrote this post before the sun came up. The last three days have been pretty bad. Hopefully this is the peak. I hope you are right but this came on so quickly, it holds the potential to get much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Reasons for Prescribed Buring There are many potential benefits to be gained from using prescribed burning as a tool in forest resource management, including the reduction of hazardous fuels; the preparation of sites for seeding or planting; the improvement of wildlife habitat; the disposal of logging debris; disease control; etc. A single prescribed burn can achieve multiple benefits. For example, a well-planned burn can reduce fire hazard and also improve wildlife habitat, and almost any prescribed burn improves access. Prescribed fires are not always beneficial, however. When conditions are wrong, prescribed fire can severely damage the very resource it was intended to benefit. Prescribed fire is a complex management tool, and should be used only with care under controlled conditions. Reduce hazardous fuels Forest fuels accumulate rapidly in the pine stands of the Atlantic and Gulf coastal plains. In five to six years, heavy "roughs" (the live understorey and dead fuels that accumulate on the forest plains over time) can build up, posing a serious threat from wildfire to all forest resources. Prescribed fire is the most practical way to reduce dangerous accumulations of combustible fuels under southern pine stands. The appropriate interval between prescribed burns for fuel reduction varies with several factors, which include the rate of fuel accumulation, past wildfire occurrence, and values at risk. The interval between fires can be as little as one year, although a three- or four-year cycle is adequate to attain most objectives. http://www.fao.org/docrep/t9500e/t9500e07.htm An interesting piece on fire management in the Southern United States but I am not sure how much of it can be viewed as relevant to our local situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstanley Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Very poor visibility in Phayao. We live on the opposite side of the lake to Phayao. Cannot see any of the city due to the smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkksiam Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I just came back from chiang rai a few days ago. I did not notice any problems with haze. Side note- it was quie cool in the mornings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Tart, The respirator N-95 works fine and should around $5-10 US dollars. They are disposable after a period of time/usage but that depends on the absorption of the contaminants. There is no disposal rule of thumb... Someone mention wait to May - May is one of the worst weather months (Mar - May) so at the very least June but really depends on the first rains.. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Here is a smoke update from this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardeh Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 The smoke is just awful in Chiang Rai town today. Visibility is very poor and you can smell it in the air. It's just appeared so suddenly - the weather until a couple of days ago was wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Surprisingly I still see some of our local cyclists out peddling in this heavily polluted air. Until we get something like this, I am spending most of my time indoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomchop Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I have given up my daily walks as i suspect the smoke hurts more than the exercise helps. Good excuse, I guess,, to spend lot of time in A/C reading books that i haven't gotten to yet. This is my first march in CR in about five years....now i remember why i always went somewhere else around the first of march and won't make the mistake again next year....last year was Nha Trang vietnam which i highly recommend as a great spot to spend the smokey season...perfect weather, clear skies, shoulder tourist season so all kinds of great deals and not too crowded......plus those wonderful sea breezes..... I do love Chiang Rai...especially from about Oct through Feb when it is close to perfect weather.... but i don't care for march/april here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardeh Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Very bad again today. Just popped out on the motorbike to the shops for a few minutes, which was enough to give me sore eyes and a headache. I'm seriously considering moving south for a couple of months seeing as we have a two year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup3r1or Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Very bad again today. Just popped out on the motorbike to the shops for a few minutes, which was enough to give me sore eyes and a headache. I'm seriously considering moving south for a couple of months seeing as we have a two year old. In Phayao here, yesterday was bearable. Today woke up everything is just covered in thick white smoke. Cant even see anything. Eyes are sore, even classrooms have smoke inside. Worst of all I feel very unpleasant feeling in my chest. Worry about our daughter, neither me nor my wife have got any holiday until somewhere in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC 71 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Does anyone know when things will get back to normal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Does anyone know when things will get back to normal ? Only the Nose knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC 71 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Eyes too presumably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Unfortunately this is normal, for now anyway. It will get better when the weather changes and we get a good storm passing over the region. It is anyone's guess when that will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 While things can vary a bit, like when your neighbor burns his fields causing intense localized smoke, the pollution problem is generally a regional one and does not stop at national borders either. On a particular day one place may be worse than another but generally the smoke is everywhere. Here is a shot of our thoughtful neighbor. Not much you can do but close up the house. Archery is a wonderful and incredibly quiet sport to take up. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It only hurts when I breath today so maybe it isn't all that bad. All I have to do now is figure out how to stop breathing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villagefarang Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I wonder how much worse it can get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 By the looks of it yesterday is going to be the peak (pm10 was at 245). Worst I have seen it here but I have only been in CR 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinsons Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 By the looks of it yesterday is going to be the peak (pm10 was at 245). Worst I have seen it here but I have only been in CR 4 years. it was yesterday much more worst! pm10 at 377!!! today pm10 at 325 http://air4thai.pcd.go.th/web/station.php?station=57t robinsons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Yeah I think you are right, I was looking at a different site and thought the number they used was the pm10. Anyhow, it was better today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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