Most Thais back new charter: CDC chief

[Lite Beer]

CONSTITUTION DRAFTING
Most Thais back new charter: CDC chief

THE SUNDAY NATION

BANGKOK: --Borwornsak says poll shows support from 70% of public; urges people not to be paranoid about an unelected PM

AS MUCH AS 70 per cent of the Thai population supports the principles of the new constitution, the chief charter drafter said yesterday.

Borwornsak Uwanno, chairman of the Constitution Drafting Committee (CDC), cited the results of a public opinion survey conducted recently by the CDC.

He said more surveys would be conducted on issues the respondents did not agree with, but he did not elaborate on them.

The chief drafter said that people should not to be too sceptical about the provision for a non-elected prime minister in the new charter.

Borwornsak, who was speaking to 100 invited journalists at parliament to seek their support, said he was accommodating the idea of having two-thirds of MP votes as the minimum requirement for endorsing a non-MP as prime minister. The CDC chairman rejected the idea suggested by some of limiting the term of a non-MP prime minister to a single year. However, he added that people should not be "too paranoid".

Additionally, Borwornsak said the new charter would not define what constitutes a state of political crisis to allow an outsider to be voted by MPs as prime minister. He said doing so would itself trigger another crisis.

Borwornsak urged the media present yesterday to accurately, quickly and impartially report the content of the new charter to the public. He insisted that the CDC truly listens to the public's feedback and this is not a matter of "ritual". He said the committee is willing to accommodate views that differed from those of its members.

He dubbed the new charter as one that looks back and forward at the same time and seeks to empower citizens, solve conflicts and bring about reconciliation.

Borwornsak added that the new charter is also aimed at balancing the imbalanced political system and solving the problem of corrupt politicians.

Citizens, said Borwornsak, must be as participants in politics as per the new charter, through mechanisms such as Citizens Assembly, and provincial-level scrutiny assembly that would exist in all 77 provinces. It would allow voters to recall politicians who have been investigated and indicted by the National Moral Assembly, also a new body to be created under the new charter.

Regarding the new party-list system, Borwornsak said people will have the chance to vote and choose who they would like to have as the top candidates on the party list. In the previous system, the party chief decided on who would be at the top of the party-list. This, said Borwornsak, means politicians would have to try harder to win the hearts of the voters and not just please the party boss.

Regarding Senate members, Borwornsak said he was open to the idea of having senators being selected through professional representation, wherein people from each major profession decide who from their profession should represent them as senators.

Meanwhile, CDC member Manit Suksomjit, who is in charge of public communication, added that 11 new bodies will be created under the new charter, which would strengthen people's participation in politics. These include a consumer protection organisation and the Independent Commission to Promote National Reconciliation, among others.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Most-Thais-back-new-charter-CDC-chief-30256968.html

-- The Nation 2015-03-29

[NongKhaiKid]

If a survey is actually conducted then simply structure the questions, ask selected persons and the desired results are assured.

Opinion polls about the road map, PM etc never turn out much of a adverse response but there again such polls are banned. Oh well.

Edited March 28, 2015 by NongKhaiKid

[noitom]

Preposterous survey claim. Out and out Thai deceit to have the nation believe the results of these artificial surveys that pander to the current unelected government.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

I knew it was just another propaganda piece from The Nation when I saw the headline.

If Thai people were so pleased this paper would be calling for an election.

They have been publishing nonsense for years and years and surprisingly some people stil believe the crap they print.

[lewy67]

Most Thais back new charter: CDC chief

I must have missed the referendum

And seriously how can they claim that they have any interest in combating political corruption and shenanigans and keep the party list system? CDC are the joke

[halloween]

"......people will have the chance to vote and choose who they would like to have as the top candidates on the party list."

How and When? In Thailand, the party list has been the vehicle for abuse of the electoral system, to allow the rich and power hungry to attain high office, to install unelectable scum like Chalerm, and to reward criminals for their crimes and help them defer/evade the courts. The only modification needed is to scrap it.

BTW why aren't the criminal cases against former PTP MPs and the other low-life "red leaders" proceeding? Their immunity from prosecution expired some time ago.

Edited March 28, 2015 by halloween

[tbthailand]

CDC chief says people from Isaan are falang khon lao, & therefore,

Most Thais back new charter

[chooka]

If a survey is actually conducted then simply structure the questions, ask selected persons and the desired results are assured.

Opinion polls about the road map, PM etc never turn out much of a adverse response but there again such polls are banned. Oh well.

yep same old propaganda lies being rolled out, Geez this guy really thinks thai are a bunch of morons,they are smarter than the elite think they are. Thais know very well these polls are rubbish as the orders are that all results must be pro prayuth and his government or else. The guy now has ultimate power and can execute anyone who doesn't show prayuth and his appointed government in a glowing positive light so who would dare give poll results that aren't positive. Showing an actual real poll result could be a death wish. Edited March 29, 2015 by chooka

[rasmus5150]

If a survey is actually conducted then simply structure the questions, ask selected persons and the desired results are assured.

Opinion polls about the road map, PM etc never turn out much of a adverse response but there again such polls are banned. Oh well.

yep same old propaganda lies being rolled out, Geez this guy really thinks thai are a bunch of morons,they are smarter than the elite think they are. Thais know very well these polls are rubbish as the orders are that all results must be pro prayuth and his government or else. The guy now has ultimate power and can execute anyone who doesn't show prayuth and his appointed government in a glowing positive light so who would dare give poll results that aren't positive. Showing an actual real poll result could be a death wish.

If you give a Thai 500 thb, many will stop too think and just act.

[chooka]

If a survey is actually conducted then simply structure the questions, ask selected persons and the desired results are assured.

Opinion polls about the road map, PM etc never turn out much of a adverse response but there again such polls are banned. Oh well.

yep same old propaganda lies being rolled out, Geez this guy really thinks thai are a bunch of morons,they are smarter than the elite think they are. Thais know very well these polls are rubbish as the orders are that all results must be pro prayuth and his government or else. The guy now has ultimate power and can execute anyone who doesn't show prayuth and his appointed government in a glowing positive light so who would dare give poll results that aren't positive. Showing an actual real poll result could be a death wish.

If you give a Thai 500 thb, many will stop too think and just act.

So your saying that Prayuth and his people have paid 70% of the population for his support. Well this guy is just is no different to all the other corrupt pigs over the last 50 odd years. I thought elite/yellows didn't buy support.

[rubl]

A wonderful country this Thailand. No one has seen even a near complete draft of reliable status and already a poll shows Thai agree with it.

Of course it may also be a classical case of 'foot-in-mouth' decease

[rasmus5150]

If a survey is actually conducted then simply structure the questions, ask selected persons and the desired results are assured.

Opinion polls about the road map, PM etc never turn out much of a adverse response but there again such polls are banned. Oh well.

yep same old propaganda lies being rolled out, Geez this guy really thinks thai are a bunch of morons,they are smarter than the elite think they are. Thais know very well these polls are rubbish as the orders are that all results must be pro prayuth and his government or else. The guy now has ultimate power and can execute anyone who doesn't show prayuth and his appointed government in a glowing positive light so who would dare give poll results that aren't positive. Showing an actual real poll result could be a death wish.

If you give a Thai 500 thb, many will stop too think and just act.

So your saying that Prayuth and his people have paid 70% of the population for his support. Well this guy is just is no different to all the other corrupt pigs over the last 50 odd years. I thought elite/yellows didn't buy support.

Come on Chooka - you're not dumb you know what I mean. I even used the word "act", as in "somebody thinks, somebody acts"...... Edited March 29, 2015 by rasmus5150

[rasmus5150]

A wonderful country this Thailand. No one has seen even a near complete draft of reliable status and already a poll shows Thai agree with it.

Of course it may also be a classical case of 'foot-in-mouth' decease

If I had to choose between having a civil war (personal vendetta with paid stooges/mercenaries)in Bangkok and an unwritten charter with unknown content. I would take the charter any day.

[chainarong]

The polls tell me <deleted!> nothing , like all polls they in the main all ask leading Questions which are orientated to the party taking the poll, if the CDC Chief is so confident take it to the people in a referendum and if they do agree then they have no one else to blame when they all wake up to find a colonostrophy has been performed on them and they now are in a bind what to do and how to fix it and most won't give 2 rubs of a elephants arse and will wait for the students to act, get the drift.

[jamesjohnsonthird]

The headline is more proof The Nation is a tool for the invisible hand. Always have been.

Sad they have had so much influence on some of the more gullible Thai Visa members.

Isn't it silly we have to refers to the real troublemakers as the "invisible hand"?

If we talk about them we go to jail. Hard to believe there are members here that support that.

[ExPratt]

"Meanwhile, CDC member Manit Suksomjit, who is in charge of public communication, added that 11 new bodies will be created under the new charter, which would strengthen people's participation in politics. These include a consumer protection organisation and the Independent Commission to Promote National Reconciliation, among others."

Yes they are " Strengthening people's participation in politics" by introducing an appointed and non elected Senate and Prime Minister but to lessen the blow are introducing a "Consumer Protection organisation" so at least when your DVD stops working a week after you bought it you can protest outside of their office.

[NongKhaiKid]

"Meanwhile, CDC member Manit Suksomjit, who is in charge of public communication, added that 11 new bodies will be created under the new charter, which would strengthen people's participation in politics. These include a consumer protection organisation and the Independent Commission to Promote National Reconciliation, among others."

Yes they are " Strengthening people's participation in politics" by introducing an appointed and non elected Senate and Prime Minister but to lessen the blow are introducing a "Consumer Protection organisation" so at least when your DVD stops working a week after you bought it you can protest outside of their office.

At least more boys will get more jobs and maybe get to hire more family as ' advisers '.

[ExPratt]

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"Meanwhile, CDC member Manit Suksomjit, who is in charge of public communication, added that 11 new bodies will be created under the new charter, which would strengthen people's participation in politics. These include a consumer protection organisation and the Independent Commission to Promote National Reconciliation, among others."

Yes they are " Strengthening people's participation in politics" by introducing an appointed and non elected Senate and Prime Minister but to lessen the blow are introducing a "Consumer Protection organisation" so at least when your DVD stops working a week after you bought it you can protest outside of their office.

At least more boys will get more jobs and maybe get to hire more family as ' advisers '.

Yes its a fantastic opportunity for many whilst strengthening peoples participation in politics through the medium of consumer protection

[rubl]

The headline is more proof The Nation is a tool for the invisible hand. Always have been.

Sad they have had so much influence on some of the more gullible Thai Visa members.

Isn't it silly we have to refers to the real troublemakers as the "invisible hand"?

If we talk about them we go to jail. Hard to believe there are members here that support that.

It is silly, especially the 'have to'.

Still don't worry, although at times it doesn't seem so, here on TVF Shinawatra bashing is still possible and allowed. Only try to stick to the truth, no need to lie just because you dislike some people.

[JOC]

Most Thais back new charter:

Without even reading it??

No risk for too much democracy under Prayut............................

[wabothai]

Really ??

[lucky11]

"......people will have the chance to vote and choose who they would like to have as the top candidates on the party list."

How and When? In Thailand, the party list has been the vehicle for abuse of the electoral system, to allow the rich and power hungry to attain high office, to install unelectable scum like Chalerm, and to reward criminals for their crimes and help them defer/evade the courts. The only modification needed is to scrap it.

BTW why aren't the criminal cases against former PTP MPs and the other low-life "red leaders" proceeding? Their immunity from prosecution expired some time ago.

You forgot to mention Yingluck - she was imposed upon the people (not elected notice) as PM despite having zero experience.

I wonder what role was mapped out for her when HE put her there?? No conflict of interest when he needed her to go all out for his amnesty, was there!!

Forget about the people of Thailand, you are working for me now. She did a sterling job in this respect.

[lucky11]

Most Thais back new charter:

Without even reading it??

No risk for too much democracy under Prayut............................

That's the newspaper headline - he actually said "the principles of it".

[heybruce]

"......people will have the chance to vote and choose who they would like to have as the top candidates on the party list."

How and When? In Thailand, the party list has been the vehicle for abuse of the electoral system, to allow the rich and power hungry to attain high office, to install unelectable scum like Chalerm, and to reward criminals for their crimes and help them defer/evade the courts. The only modification needed is to scrap it.

BTW why aren't the criminal cases against former PTP MPs and the other low-life "red leaders" proceeding? Their immunity from prosecution expired some time ago.

You forgot to mention Yingluck - she was imposed upon the people (not elected notice) as PM despite having zero experience.

I wonder what role was mapped out for her when HE put her there?? No conflict of interest when he needed her to go all out for his amnesty, was there!!

Forget about the people of Thailand, you are working for me now. She did a sterling job in this respect.

The PTP won the last election under the rules of the last constitution written by the military after the last coup. Are you saying that you object to that constitution? May we assume you also object to this one?

[rubl]

"......people will have the chance to vote and choose who they would like to have as the top candidates on the party list."

How and When? In Thailand, the party list has been the vehicle for abuse of the electoral system, to allow the rich and power hungry to attain high office, to install unelectable scum like Chalerm, and to reward criminals for their crimes and help them defer/evade the courts. The only modification needed is to scrap it.

BTW why aren't the criminal cases against former PTP MPs and the other low-life "red leaders" proceeding? Their immunity from prosecution expired some time ago.

You forgot to mention Yingluck - she was imposed upon the people (not elected notice) as PM despite having zero experience.

I wonder what role was mapped out for her when HE put her there?? No conflict of interest when he needed her to go all out for his amnesty, was there!!

Forget about the people of Thailand, you are working for me now. She did a sterling job in this respect.

The PTP won the last election under the rules of the last constitution written by the military after the last coup. Are you saying that you object to that constitution? May we assume you also object to this one?

All of you fail to notice that this poll is meaningless. The normal meaningless of Thai polls and the fact of a poll on a subject the people cannot really judge about yet as they haven't seen a complete draft of the 'to be' constitution. The most they've gathered is snippets, discussions by CDC, NRC, NGO, ABC to XYZ and social media of course. The titbits of information could be a clear indication to some of the direction this is going in and they just might like it, anything is possible.

BTW I'm sure pigs can fly and whistle at the same time

[jayboy]

A wonderful country this Thailand. No one has seen even a near complete draft of reliable status and already a poll shows Thai agree with it.

Of course it may also be a classical case of 'foot-in-mouth' decease

True but when he refers to Thais he means of course the self appointed good people who know what is right for the rest of their countrymen.The latter have an irritating habit of voting for the wrong people so the new constitutional arrangements will have to take that into account - ie blocking or paralysing a democratically elected administration.

[WorldTravellerMUC]

Did the people of the poll get to read the new Charter? Or was the content of the draft fully explained?

Sorry I doubt it!

[jamesjohnsonthird]

A majority of Thais again and again vote for Thaksins party so the new charter will have to make sure their votes are meaningless.

[rubl]

A wonderful country this Thailand. No one has seen even a near complete draft of reliable status and already a poll shows Thai agree with it.

Of course it may also be a classical case of 'foot-in-mouth' decease

True but when he refers to Thais he means of course the self appointed good people who know what is right for the rest of their countrymen.The latter have an irritating habit of voting for the wrong people so the new constitutional arrangements will have to take that into account - ie blocking or paralysing a democratically elected administration.

I beg to differ.

The CDC chief cited the result of a poll conducted recently by the CDC. The CDC might have polled under the people who cooperated, provided input and so. Unfortunately that would exclude all those who elected not to cooperate. Furthermore only 70% of those polled were in favour of something they didn't see yet.

It would seem that even the 'right' people are in need of education.

[rubl]

A majority of Thais again and again vote for Thaksins party so the new charter will have to make sure their votes are meaningless.

Absolutely.

Having a junta is bad, but having a country run by proxy by a criminal fugitive is even more of a democracy distortion.