Iran nuclear talks near deadline; differences remain

[BKKBobby]

A deal is in the best interest of the world except Israel and the moderate(im using the word in a highly sarcastic way) Sunni allies of the US.

"The world" doesn't seem to think so and there's a lot of push back on this from European and ME countries.

If you speak for "the world," good for you. I can speak only for myself, and reference what others say when they speak for themselves.

Who are the others?

The US Republicans, Israel and Sunni Arab ME countries?

You are not speaking on behalf or refering to the opinion of the majority of the population in western Europe, right?

See above.

It is a tense and dramatic event, for sure. And the piece you quote is written in a dramatic fashion, but if you cut thru the drama I still think it sounds like a deal in the making.

Deal or no deal?

We have to wait and see.

Edited April 1, 2015 by BKKBobby

[BKKBobby]

There is no country except Israel that has any problem with Iran enriching "1%" (1% as in an example of very small quantities) of uranium as of now.

Any other countries opposed to this? Dont bring up your beloved congress, please.

Do you ever do any actual thinking or research at all or just type whatever bit of foolishness pops up in your head? The current UN Sanctions forbid Iran from enriching uranium. That is a BUNCH of countries - DUH!

The purpose of the UN sanctions: The sanctions are only put into place as a coercieve method to make Iran comply to having a transparent nuclear program with limited uranium enrichment under the supervision of IAEA.

The only country that has a problem with Iran producing "1%"-enriched uranium is Israel.

("1%" as an example of very low enrichment levels)

Edited April 1, 2015 by BKKBobby

[NeverSure]

The only country that has a problem with Iran enriching "1%" uranium is Israel.

Oh, so now it's about Israel which isn't even part of the group of 5+1 nations who are negotiating because they have a very big problem with Iran enriching uranium.

Now that I see your real motivation I can stop having this discussion which is about something you don't understand at all.

[BKKBobby]

The only country that has a problem with Iran enriching "1%" uranium is Israel.

Oh, so now it's about Israel which isn't even part of the group of 5+1 nations who are negotiating because they have a very big problem with Iran enriching uranium.

Now that I see your real motivation I can stop having this discussion which is about something you don't understand at all.

P5+1 wants to negotiate with Iran.

Israel dont want P5+1 to negotiate with Iran.

Edited April 1, 2015 by BKKBobby

[Jingthing]

Oh, so now it's about Israel which isn't even part of the group of 5+1 nations who are negotiating because they have a very big problem with Iran enriching uranium.

Now that I see your real motivation I can stop having this discussion which is about something you don't understand at all.

Yep. Irrational, toxic, Israel demonization on steroids. Not to be taken seriously.

Speaking of Israel demonization ... listen to the specialists ... from Iran. Good luck 5 plus 1 dealing with them.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-militia-chief-destroying-israel-nonnegotiable/

Iran militia chief: Destroying Israel is ‘nonnegotiable’

Edited April 1, 2015 by Jingthing

[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed.

[RockyBeerbelly]

The only country that has a problem with Iran enriching "1%" uranium is Israel.

Oh, so now it's about Israel which isn't even part of the group of 5+1 nations who are negotiating because they have a very big problem with Iran enriching uranium.

Now that I see your real motivation I can stop having this discussion which is about something you don't understand at all.

P5+1 wants to negotiate with Iran.

Israel dont want P5+1 to negotiate with Iran.

Worse still, if the negotiations between the P5+1 end postive, Israel has said to have the intention to bomb Irans' nuclear facilities. Also, Netanyahus' hate propaganda to the US Congress was to further convince the Republicans that a deal with Iran would be bad. So if anyone here thinks that Israels' manipulation and indoctrination is not largely responsible for the negotiations still dragging on, they have no idea what is really going on, but are merely a mouthpiece for Netanyahu and his fascist principles......

[ggold]

The only country that has a problem with Iran enriching "1%" uranium is Israel.

Oh, so now it's about Israel which isn't even part of the group of 5+1 nations who are negotiating because they have a very big problem with Iran enriching uranium.

Now that I see your real motivation I can stop having this discussion which is about something you don't understand at all.

P5+1 wants to negotiate with Iran.

Israel dont want P5+1 to negotiate with Iran.

Worse still, if the negotiations between the P5+1 end postive, Israel has said to have the intention to bomb Irans' nuclear facilities. Also, Netanyahus' hate propaganda to the US Congress was to further convince the Republicans that a deal with Iran would be bad. So if anyone here thinks that Israels' manipulation and indoctrination is not largely responsible for the negotiations still dragging on, they have no idea what is really going on, but are merely a mouthpiece for Netanyahu and his fascist principles......

I fail to see how Israel has caused the negotiations to drag on, Israel isn't involved in them. Surely you mean those that think Israel are responsible just don't know what they are talking about!

[Pakboong]

The negotiations cannot seem to get past the removal of sanctions as a first non-negotiable step. Seems as if the constant reference to Iranian sponsored terrorism has allowed the crazy Persians into believing they now negotiate from a position of strength as crazy as that sounds.

[Publicus]

The ayatollahs know they will not get all sanctions lifted by a final agreement or by any single agreement.

Tehran's present commotion over sanctions is a core negotiating position designed to dominate discussions between now and the end of June, which is the date set by the P5+1 for a final agreement.

Even Russia and China which are not big on sanctions know that all sanctions cannot be lifted in one agreement, that some sanctions will be further lifted, and that a schedule of sanctions being lifted will be demanded by France and the US, in return for Iranian compliance with the technical aspects of a final agreement.

Iran wants the sanctions issue to be prominently and loudly present from now to the final agreement. The mullahs in Tehran want as much concerning sanctions as they can get in the final agreement, which won't be much as continued sanctions are the necessary leverage for longer term Iranian compliance.

The sanctions are killing the Iran economy and the ayatollahs are desperate for a deal.

Pursuant to the restrictions already in place, foreign financial institutions face restrictions on, or loss of, correspondent and payable-through account access in the United States if they knowingly engage in significant financial transactions with the Central Bank of Iran or a designated Iranian financial institution

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Sanctions/Pages/answer.aspx#256

An ayatollah who'd thought he saw a USD$ the other day and a whole crop of sanctions cut down finally did snap out of it after he was told he was seeing a mirage.

[Scott]

An inflammatory post with aberrant spelling of a member's name has been removed.

[arjunadawn]

The negotiations cannot seem to get past the removal of sanctions as a first non-negotiable step. Seems as if the constant reference to Iranian sponsored terrorism has allowed the crazy Persians into believing they now negotiate from a position of strength as crazy as that sounds.

Ipso facto, the Persians negotiate from a position of strength not because they inherently have it but because the US is weak!

[BKKBobby]

The negotiations cannot seem to get past the removal of sanctions as a first non-negotiable step. Seems as if the constant reference to Iranian sponsored terrorism has allowed the crazy Persians into believing they now negotiate from a position of strength as crazy as that sounds.

Ipso facto, the Persians negotiate from a position of strength not because they inherently have it but because the US is weak!

The US is the most powerful country in the world, even though some US citizens are deluded and think that their own country suddenly has become weak because they believe Obama is weak.

The US is negotiating from a position of strength compared to Iran.

But... No US president can stop Irans nuclear program completly without military action. No matter how "strong" the president is.

Sanctions without a deal wont slow down Irans nuclear program. The ayatollahs would let Iranian citizens starve to death while continuing with the nuclear program.

Edited April 2, 2015 by BKKBobby

[arjunadawn]

The negotiations cannot seem to get past the removal of sanctions as a first non-negotiable step. Seems as if the constant reference to Iranian sponsored terrorism has allowed the crazy Persians into believing they now negotiate from a position of strength as crazy as that sounds.

Ipso facto, the Persians negotiate from a position of strength not because they inherently have it but because the US is weak!

The US is the most powerful country in the world, even though some US citizens are deluded and think that their own country suddenly has become weak because they believe Obama is weak.

The US is negotiating from a position of strength compared to Iran.

But... No US president can stop Irans nuclear program completly without military action. No matter how "strong" the president is.

Sanctions without a deal wont slow down Irans nuclear program. The ayatollahs would let Iranian citizens starve to death while continuing with the nuclear program.

Indeed, some US citizens believe their country has become weaker because it is actually a measurable fact, not because of your above pejorative "deluded."

There are numerous indices that factually measure the decrease in US standing in the world; from competing world bank to provocative actions of countries, to polls, BRICS, to debt, to military reduction, etc. But the "gut" reaction of the world to the US is even more alarming. Increasingly our allies and others talk of a loss of confidence in the US and increasingly former vassal/allies take military and other actions without even consulting the US. This is a degree of contempt as well as self preservation. With regard to the middle east, no country survives long that does not back up its words or threats. The US may one day act but this only means that the US one day acts; it does not change retroactively that the US has not backed up its words or threats. Soft and bewildering leadership like this actually precipitates war, it does not pacify it.

The US may ultimately be dealing from strength regarding oil trading in petrol dollars to the ability to harness of leverage international sanctions to other instruments of power and clout. But on the ground, where it matters, where it matters to the US, where the US has staked an interest, Iran increasingly leverages far more power as a direct consequence of the US creating opportunities and invitations to Iran directly, and the US marginalizing its only regional ally- Iran expands as the US contracts.

"No president can stop Irans [sic] program completely without military action" is quite possibly true and I think the consequences of such an act will only accelerate the timeline in the middle east, not substantially alter what is now invariably going to happen. The shia and the sunni worlds are colliding and doing so directly, not just be proxies. The US jackassery has not only been on display with the negotiations however but even earlier with its leadership not presenting a clear or consistent sanctions alternative, the debacle in Syria, the debacle with DAESH, the debacle with Yemen, in essence, cumulatively, the US has facilitated direct conflict of shia sunni forces at the state level.

Using military action is a direct extension of success or failure of diplomacy. Again, using military action will not trigger a great conflict than is already percolating, it will only accelerate it.

I agree totally with your last two sentences.

[Publicus]

Two hours ago...

(Reuters) - Major powers and Iran were closer to a preliminary accord on Tehran's nuclear program as marathon talks ran into Wednesday, but were stuck over key details such as lifting U.N. sanctions and Iran's future atomic research.

After missing a self-imposed March 31 deadline for a deal, the negotiators ended talks in the Swiss city of Lausanne in the early morning hours with an air of chaos, disunity and cacophony as delegations scrambled to get contradictory viewpoints across.

The six powers - the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China - aim to stop Iran from gaining the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb in exchange for easing international sanctions crippling its economy.

(Emphasis mine)

LINK

The extreme far right is in chaos as the Framework Agreement has been announced. It is the Preliminary Agreement to a Final Agreement scheduled for June 30th.

Ten years of continuous intrusive inspections and a review of years 11-15 after that, so we'll see then. Some of the first reports say there is no sunset clause, interpreted to mean 25 years of inspections concerning nuclear weapons.

Disable the core reactor at the Arak nuclear facility.

5000 centrifuges maximum as arranged by the system of US Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, a nuclear scientist from MIT who joined the P5+1 this year, to place the centrifuges so that enriching uranium is difficult, laborious, time consuming, extremely complicated beyond normal complexities.

Sanctions lifted according to a long term schedule based on Iran's compliance and cooperation.

By the dawn here there will likely be a separate thread on this historic breakthrough. The criticisms will come about a US sellout, treason, the end of Western Civilization, the P5+1 being bamboozled by the sophisticated Persians and all the rest of it from the soapbox crowd.

See you all there.

Iran and world powers reach framework agreement on nuclear deal

After eight days of negotiations, EU's Federica Mogherini and Iran's Mohammad Javad Zarif announce 15-year deal, during which Iran's nuclear program will be limited and subject to strict oversight. Barak Ravid | Apr. 2,

2015 | 8:14 PM h h

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.650326

Iran's FM Zarif and EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini announced the agreement.

Edited April 2, 2015 by Publicus

[SheungWan]

The negotiations cannot seem to get past the removal of sanctions as a first non-negotiable step. Seems as if the constant reference to Iranian sponsored terrorism has allowed the crazy Persians into believing they now negotiate from a position of strength as crazy as that sounds.

Ipso facto, the Persians negotiate from a position of strength not because they inherently have it but because the US is weak!

It is not that the US is weak but rather that Obama and Kerry appear weak. However, with the just announced framework agreement keep your eyes on the verification process which will have been the stumbling block to make a final agreement. Obama/Kerry and the Mad Mullahs wanted to agree something to keep the show on the road, so now we rumble forward.

[chuckd]

Another version of the capitulation to Iran.

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Iran Brags About Nuke Concessions

Sanctions to be terminated, no nuke sites closed, research and development to continue

BY: Adam Kredo

April 2, 2015 2:29 pm

LAUSANNE, Switzerland—Iran and world powers on Thursday announced that following the latest round of nuclear negotiations, Western powers agreed to permit Iran to continue operating the core aspects of its nuclear program and that all sanctions of the Islamic Republic would be terminated.

After failing to meet a March 31 deadline for the announcement of a firm political agreement, Secretary of State John Kerry and Javad Zarif, his Iranian counterpart, said that the sides had agreed in principle to let Iran continue running major portions of its nuclear program.

Despite threats from Obama administration officials that the United States would abandon talks if Iran continued to demand greater concessions, Kerry extended his trip and conducted a series of meetings aimed at hashing out a statement of progress—a far cry from the detailed document officials vowed would be finalized by now.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-brags-about-nuke-concessions/

[Credo]

You can be assured that we have lost way more friends because of the Bush-Cheney fiascos than anything that Obama has or hasn't done.

It's about time a few other countries stepped up to the plate.