Deep Sea Fishing Info

[Mark Wolfe]

A number of places will take you out from Samui. Anyone care to weigh in (pun intended...)?

[SamuiJens]

Careful there,Jack, you might be next......................Sleep well....fishes(pun or not a pun)

[Mark Wolfe]

Careful there,Jack, you might be next......................Sleep well....fishes(pun or not a pun)

Thanks, that was helpful info....

[womble]

Mark,

Sea fishing around Samui and the rest of the gulf is pretty rubbish. The best sea fishing near here is Koh Tao, but the best you can realistically hope for are small jacks, barracuda and king mackeral. Also the boats are rubbish and their equipment and fishing knowledge are less than impressive.

Andaman side is much better, live bait fishing for sailfish can be good fun on light tackle with multiple releases per day in the waters around Koh Racha or Koh Rok Nok further south.

Freshwater fishing on the mainland for Giant snakeheads and Hampala Barb is very good. But the only fishing really worth doing on the Island itself is in the lake. It's not cheap, but they have some big fish in there. Personally I prefer to fish in more natural locations. But if you wanna catch fish of a size that are worth catching and use decent gear, i'd go there.

The waters around samui are shallow and over fished, the reefs are pretty empty, you only have to go to the market and see the size of most fishes. Go to Bang Rak market and look at the fish, that will give you an idea of the fish that are in the waters immediately around samui.

You can catch squid of the rocks at dusk easily, in the last hour as the sun is going down you can get 4 or 5 decent sized squid for the BBQ. I wouldn't bother the rest of the day.

You could try using very small soft plastics off the rocks not sure how successful it would be but i'd say that'd be the best way to fish from land here although i've seen no one doing it. I doubt the locals would even know what it was, i've never even seen anyone using braided lines here.

If you want to go fishing on a boat or longtail, for the ebst chance I suggest you do this. Find a boat with a live bait well and light to catch squid at night. Send him out the day before to fill the tank up with live squid (black moon is best). Make it clear you have no interest going without lots of squid, tell him if he can't get enough then you will postpone till he has enough.

When you have the live baits, you can go out day or night time although dawn and dusk are the best times. The best reefs are south of samui past Koh Tan. The live baits can catch travalleys (small, not GT), baracuda, small grouper, small snapper. Who knows something bigger may come along, but it's the exception not the rule.

The best spots are Chumpon Pinnicle and Sail rock, trouble is they are a long way from Samui and don't let the divers see you!

[SamuiJens]

Mark,

Sea fishing around Samui and the rest of the gulf is pretty rubbish. The best sea fishing near here is Koh Tao, but the best you can realistically hope for are small jacks, barracuda and king mackeral. Also the boats are rubbish and their equipment and fishing knowledge are less than impressive.

Andaman side is much better, live bait fishing for sailfish can be good fun on light tackle with multiple releases per day in the waters around Koh Racha or Koh Rok Nok further south.

Freshwater fishing on the mainland for Giant snakeheads and Hampala Barb is very good. But the only fishing really worth doing on the Island itself is in the lake. It's not cheap, but they have some big fish in there. Personally I prefer to fish in more natural locations. But if you wanna catch fish of a size that are worth catching and use decent gear, i'd go there.

The waters around samui are shallow and over fished, the reefs are pretty empty, you only have to go to the market and see the size of most fishes. Go to Bang Rak market and look at the fish, that will give you an idea of the fish that are in the waters immediately around samui.

You can catch squid of the rocks at dusk easily, in the last hour as the sun is going down you can get 4 or 5 decent sized squid for the BBQ. I wouldn't bother the rest of the day.

You could try using very small soft plastics off the rocks not sure how successful it would be but i'd say that'd be the best way to fish from land here although i've seen no one doing it. I doubt the locals would even know what it was, i've never even seen anyone using braided lines here.

If you want to go fishing on a boat or longtail, for the ebst chance I suggest you do this. Find a boat with a live bait well and light to catch squid at night. Send him out the day before to fill the tank up with live squid (black moon is best). Make it clear you have no interest going without lots of squid, tell him if he can't get enough then you will postpone till he has enough.

When you have the live baits, you can go out day or night time although dawn and dusk are the best times. The best reefs are south of samui past Koh Tan. The live baits can catch travalleys (small, not GT), baracuda, small grouper, small snapper. Who knows something bigger may come along, but it's the exception not the rule.

The best spots are Chumpon Pinnicle and Sail rock, trouble is they are a long way from Samui and don't let the divers see you!

Womble, I thank you very much for your time and trouble in writting a very good discribtion of the fishing in and around Samui.

Even though Mark didn't mean it like that; But this should be pinned for other people that are interested in deep sea fishing.

Thank you Womble,

Jens

[H2oDunc]

Mark,

Sea fishing around Samui and the rest of the gulf is pretty rubbish. The best sea fishing near here is Koh Tao, but the best you can realistically hope for are small jacks, barracuda and king mackeral. Also the boats are rubbish and their equipment and fishing knowledge are less than impressive.

Andaman side is much better, live bait fishing for sailfish can be good fun on light tackle with multiple releases per day in the waters around Koh Racha or Koh Rok Nok further south.

Freshwater fishing on the mainland for Giant snakeheads and Hampala Barb is very good. But the only fishing really worth doing on the Island itself is in the lake. It's not cheap, but they have some big fish in there. Personally I prefer to fish in more natural locations. But if you wanna catch fish of a size that are worth catching and use decent gear, i'd go there.

The waters around samui are shallow and over fished, the reefs are pretty empty, you only have to go to the market and see the size of most fishes. Go to Bang Rak market and look at the fish, that will give you an idea of the fish that are in the waters immediately around samui.

You can catch squid of the rocks at dusk easily, in the last hour as the sun is going down you can get 4 or 5 decent sized squid for the BBQ. I wouldn't bother the rest of the day.

You could try using very small soft plastics off the rocks not sure how successful it would be but i'd say that'd be the best way to fish from land here although i've seen no one doing it. I doubt the locals would even know what it was, i've never even seen anyone using braided lines here.

If you want to go fishing on a boat or longtail, for the ebst chance I suggest you do this. Find a boat with a live bait well and light to catch squid at night. Send him out the day before to fill the tank up with live squid (black moon is best). Make it clear you have no interest going without lots of squid, tell him if he can't get enough then you will postpone till he has enough.

When you have the live baits, you can go out day or night time although dawn and dusk are the best times. The best reefs are south of samui past Koh Tan. The live baits can catch travalleys (small, not GT), baracuda, small grouper, small snapper. Who knows something bigger may come along, but it's the exception not the rule.

The best spots are Chumpon Pinnicle and Sail rock, trouble is they are a long way from Samui and don't let the divers see you!

I know youre avatar says Womble but you have to be a complete MUPPET To suggest fishing at probably the 2 most dived sites around this area I think proves it, Dunc

[womble]

"To suggest fishing at probably the 2 most dived sites around this area I think proves it, Dunc"

And why not? Recreational sport fisherman have just as much right to use the waters for their hobby as divers, sailors or anyone else who does so in a legal manner.

The places I mentioned are not in any national park so provided no divers are in the way and using the site fishing there is fine and don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

I hate it when divers think they own the sea, you don't! I practice something called catch and release, this means I return fish alive after I catch them, I may take one or two for the pot, or if they die, also take them, but 99% go back. Some people may choose to take more particulary locals, but that is their choise, I always recommend people return all but 1 or 2 so that there will be no impact on the reefs and we can continue to enjoy fishing the reefs.

Divers have severly damaged a lot of the reefs here by treading all over them, the odd responsible sport fisherman will have a very small impact compared to the onslaught of swarms of divers on the reefs each day.

Sportfisherman who practice catch and release have an extremely low impact on the seas and the rate at which fish are taken is easily sustainable, unlike most commercial fishing operations.

It's quite ironic that it's actually the divers in Koh Tao who have led to the decline in the reefs. Firstly they came and found the reefs and marked them on maps which made them easy for everyone to find. Then as the fishing industry grew in the gulf boats started commercially fishing the area more. Many reefs were found by the divers using sophisticated echo sounder and sonar. The fishing boats then copied where the divers went.

Also all the divers on koh tao need to eat, and many of them like to eat fish. Where does this fish come from? The waters directly around the island. The demand by divers to eat fish has led to the locals catching so many fish from the reefs that most of the big fish or the tasty ones such as grouper, coral trout and snapper have become rarer and smaller.

I have a friend who has had a boat here for 25 years and they used to sail to Koh Tao and go fishing and they said it used to be really good till all the divers arived on the Island, now they don't even really bother fishing there as the fishing just isn't the same.

[somchai jones]

"To suggest fishing at probably the 2 most dived sites around this area I think proves it, Dunc"

And why not? Recreational sport fisherman have just as much right to use the waters for their hobby as divers, sailors or anyone else who does so in a legal manner.

The places I mentioned are not in any national park so provided no divers are in the way and using the site fishing there is fine and don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

I hate it when divers think they own the sea, you don't! I practice something called catch and release, this means I return fish alive after I catch them, I may take one or two for the pot, or if they die, also take them, but 99% go back. Some people may choose to take more particulary locals, but that is their choise, I always recommend people return all but 1 or 2 so that there will be no impact on the reefs and we can continue to enjoy fishing the reefs.

Divers have severly damaged a lot of the reefs here by treading all over them, the odd responsible sport fisherman will have a very small impact compared to the onslaught of swarms of divers on the reefs each day.

Sportfisherman who practice catch and release have an extremely low impact on the seas and the rate at which fish are taken is easily sustainable, unlike most commercial fishing operations.

It's quite ironic that it's actually the divers in Koh Tao who have led to the decline in the reefs. Firstly they came and found the reefs and marked them on maps which made them easy for everyone to find. Then as the fishing industry grew in the gulf boats started commercially fishing the area more. Many reefs were found by the divers using sophisticated echo sounder and sonar. The fishing boats then copied where the divers went.

Also all the divers on koh tao need to eat, and many of them like to eat fish. Where does this fish come from? The waters directly around the island. The demand by divers to eat fish has led to the locals catching so many fish from the reefs that most of the big fish or the tasty ones such as grouper, coral trout and snapper have become rarer and smaller.

I have a friend who has had a boat here for 25 years and they used to sail to Koh Tao and go fishing and they said it used to be really good till all the divers arived on the Island, now they don't even really bother fishing there as the fishing just isn't the same.

Hi Womble

As you're obviously a man that knows his stuff, just wanted to ask about the 'lake'.

Are you referring to the new fishing lakes there. Aren't there two on one site?

I've taken a look at the website and it looks very impressive/well stocked with both Thai and foreign fish of good size.

Just wanted to know a bit more from someone who's fished there; baits you used, methods, how the two lakes compare, etc.

I'll be fishing it next time I'm down in Samui in December.

Cheers.

[womble]

The lake I refer to is actually two lakes, man made in Ban Taling Nam. It opened April 2006. The small lake is aimed more at young kids, beginners, both lakes are heavily stocked, but the big lake has bigger fish, so thats the one to concentrate on.

The lakes owner comes from UK and was a carp fisherman, so any one who has fished for carp UK style will recognise the methods employed to catch them. Instead of fishing thai style, they fish on the bottom (ledgering) with boilies or fish and use bite alarms, rod pods and swinger, hair rigs, baitrunner reels (6500 size) and they use GT popper fishing rods, UK carp rods are not strong enough. I know many won't know what most of that means, don't worry, they have guides on hand to show you, bait up and help land the fish, it's all done proffessionally and they take great care of the fish.

There is a diverse range of species, many types of catfish, lots of which have been imported from South America, Red Tail Catfish, Tiger Catfish, Red Tail Leopard Catfish, Niger Catfish and ofcourse the Meckong Catfish. Also Arapaima, Pacu, Siamese giant carp, and a mixture of other species, there's a good range of fish, and you can catch a variety of species which makes it fun, interesting and makes for nice photo's.

Many of the species are extremely fast growing, Arapiama are the fastest growing fish in the world, Pacu (a pirhana without teath) second fastest growing species in the world. Consequently many of the fish are considerably bigger than what they were just 6 months ago when stocked. They are continuing to grow very quickly and there will be some huge fish in there soon.

Best time to go would on an overcast day or in the evening. It's too hot during a normal sunny day, i'd expect fishing to slow down as oxygen is lower in the water and they normally go off feeding anyway.

The owner of the lake also organises Snakehead fishing on the Mainland, any lure fisherman should not miss the opportunity to fish for snakeheads with topwater lures. You stay on floating bungalows on a reservoir, the scenery and wildlife is fantastic and the fishing superb. Snakeheads give one of the most violent strikes from any fish I have ever seen, and they are clever and extremely strong.

Personally I wouldn't bother with sea fishing, it's very unproductive and to get to the best spots costs a lot in fuel, and it's edxpensive when you think your not likley to catch much. If I know fish are in a certain place i'll spend vast amounts of money to get to them. For me though the fish in the sea around samui are not of a size or frequency that makes me want to target them. I also can't stand using the local boats, I have my own equipment so I don't have to use theirs, but the boats are so slow and uncomfortable it just isn't fun compared to what I'm used to.

Having said that for those who just want to float around on a boat and drop a line in then you may well enjoy it, serious sportfisherman on the other hand will not.

[stiggy]

Hi

Haveing lived on Tao for nealy 10 yrs I and other sgot really fed up with 2nd rate fish that was shipped to the island so we simply started fishing for our own.

There are some awesome fishing spots just north of Koh tao,mainly on wrecks.the local reefs provide no real fish and also possibly contain poison from ther diet of alge on coral.Yuk

Koh Tao does have an 11 km Marine park zone around its waters,however I have NEVER seen it enforced.The fishing on Chumporn pinnicle is controversal and will bring on the wrath of local dive operators.

There are however other sites very near by that are not dived as the fisherman and dive boat captains seem to have a gentlemans agreement.I have been lucky enouth to Dive the Fishermans spots and found it to be awesome( turning the stakes round)

Live squid useally provide the best results bottom bouncing with dead bait just brings on the tiddlers.

Id suggest contacting Ding or wit on Koh Tao both have small shops with reasonable gear and certainly have the knoweldge.Marlin/sail fish are caught and returned as are any sharks with fins still intact. The rest makes for a splendid bbq.

Another alteranative is to seek out Mark by the songserm pier he also runs trips to the local wrecks for fishing.

I am looking at the fresh water fishing on samui but never seem to have time when im there im hopeing it will be similar to my carp fishing days of sitting around drinking beer.

If you want the contact details of the fishing operators Pm me and ill dig them up.

[womble]

I've fished with Ding and Mark in Koh Tao, yes they do catch Marlin, Sailfish and Shark, but they are extremely rare. There are not enough that you could actually actively target them, black tip shark possibly, but the larger species are not that common. If you can find flotsam there will often be small dorado present, casting a lure or minnow to them can be good fun. I fished one of these wrecks once, we caught small grouper, small golden travalley, small barracua, and a small king mackeral. Largest fish was the mackeral which was about 3kg, the rest were under 1kg. One grouper was just big enough to eat and very tasty.

For the best sea fishing in the area, one of these fishing tours in koh Tao is the best you can do. They are much better than the tours in samui. The last time I went the equipment was less than impressive. I know for a fact these guys do go to Chumpon Pinnicle, the marlin, sailfish and sharks you see in the pictures on their advertising boards were mostly caught there. Their boats are so slow though that it takes hours to get there and trolling in the waters around koh tao is very unproductive so it's a boring journey. Those boats have livebait well and they go out each night to catch squid, so you do stand a chance of catching something decent, dead baits are no good, I havn't tried jigging yet as I know my jigs are too big, I will try jigging with light tackle and smaller jigs at some point, it may well turn out to be good fun. Trouble is you need a really good echo sounder and a skipper who knows how to line the boat up whilst drifting over the reef in order to put you on the fish.

[somchai jones]

The lake I refer to is actually two lakes, man made in Ban Taling Nam. It opened April 2006. The small lake is aimed more at young kids, beginners, both lakes are heavily stocked, but the big lake has bigger fish, so thats the one to concentrate on.

The lakes owner comes from UK and was a carp fisherman, so any one who has fished for carp UK style will recognise the methods employed to catch them. Instead of fishing thai style, they fish on the bottom (ledgering) with boilies or fish and use bite alarms, rod pods and swinger, hair rigs, baitrunner reels (6500 size) and they use GT popper fishing rods, UK carp rods are not strong enough. I know many won't know what most of that means, don't worry, they have guides on hand to show you, bait up and help land the fish, it's all done proffessionally and they take great care of the fish.

There is a diverse range of species, many types of catfish, lots of which have been imported from South America, Red Tail Catfish, Tiger Catfish, Red Tail Leopard Catfish, Niger Catfish and ofcourse the Meckong Catfish. Also Arapaima, Pacu, Siamese giant carp, and a mixture of other species, there's a good range of fish, and you can catch a variety of species which makes it fun, interesting and makes for nice photo's.

Many of the species are extremely fast growing, Arapiama are the fastest growing fish in the world, Pacu (a pirhana without teath) second fastest growing species in the world. Consequently many of the fish are considerably bigger than what they were just 6 months ago when stocked. They are continuing to grow very quickly and there will be some huge fish in there soon.

Best time to go would on an overcast day or in the evening. It's too hot during a normal sunny day, i'd expect fishing to slow down as oxygen is lower in the water and they normally go off feeding anyway.

The owner of the lake also organises Snakehead fishing on the Mainland, any lure fisherman should not miss the opportunity to fish for snakeheads with topwater lures. You stay on floating bungalows on a reservoir, the scenery and wildlife is fantastic and the fishing superb. Snakeheads give one of the most violent strikes from any fish I have ever seen, and they are clever and extremely strong.

Personally I wouldn't bother with sea fishing, it's very unproductive and to get to the best spots costs a lot in fuel, and it's edxpensive when you think your not likley to catch much. If I know fish are in a certain place i'll spend vast amounts of money to get to them. For me though the fish in the sea around samui are not of a size or frequency that makes me want to target them. I also can't stand using the local boats, I have my own equipment so I don't have to use theirs, but the boats are so slow and uncomfortable it just isn't fun compared to what I'm used to.

Having said that for those who just want to float around on a boat and drop a line in then you may well enjoy it, serious sportfisherman on the other hand will not.

Thanks Womble. Great advice.

I'm from the UK so used to fishing lakes with a hair rig ledger and bite alarm.

To keep me occupied, I always have a float rod out as well though on lighter tackle.

I wonder if it would be possible at this lake, i.e. a ledger and a float at the same time?

(I won't have my own gear with me).

Edited September 7, 2006 by somchai jones

[H2oDunc]

Womlbe, May have come across anti fishing. Far from it love it, though not very good at it. What I was trying to get across is you cant to the 2 things at the same time. Sure when all the dive boats have upped anchor and away then sure move in and start fishing. Chances are no divers in the water means more fish. Simple. Early morning is also a good time to go there. We used to do a dawn dive at Chumphon and the difference was amazing to diving during the day. Seen some big barracuda there often early morning. Have to agree also with you on some of the dive operators. not enough is being done to prevent damage by irresponsible / incompedent divers. and the quantity of divers all going to the same dive sites day in day out. What do you do though. The dive operators try to organise things ( in a fashion )but you still turn up to Twins next to KNY and all you are going to see when you do your dive is other divers. Which is OK if you are learning but if you have paid good Bahtollas then its a different matter. I was embarressed some days. Anyway I hope all your fish are biguns, Dunc

[womble]

You pay per rod, so what you could do is put one out on the bottom for bigger fish, and fish one lighter rod on a float for Pacu with some fruit or similar as bait.

Personally I would put both rods out on the bottom but with different baits to target different species. Fish will catch Arapaima and Red tail catfish, boilies or corn more likely mekong or carp. There are other options to sue for baits.

The rods are pretty much equivalent in strength to a UK uptide boat fishing rod, a bit shorter at about 8.5 feet long and with plenty of back bone. Longer rods such as UK carp rod are too long to fight these fish and they are not strong enough which means someone who's good with them will take a long time to land the fish which tires them out and can lead to them dieing. Inexperianced anglers would have the rod, line or reel broken. These fish are extremely strong, the larger ones will test an anglers strength and the equipment being used will need to be in top shape. If you think you could land a mekong on a 2 1/2 pound test carp rod with 3500 baitrunner you are in for a tough time. The drag isn't nearly enough on the reel for starters, that'll probobally be the first thing to go, secondly the line needed is too think for the reel and also too strong for the rod, the rod would break before the line, if the reel could even hold that much drag!

It's not cheap to fish there, but when you add up the cost to construct the lakes, the stocking of fish and the quality of equipment It suddenly doesn't seem so expensive. They get you with added extras like bait and tackle though so it can add up.

Thanks Dunc, I just wanted to convey that fishing can be done in a responsible manner and that we all have a right to use the sea, some people give certain sports bad names, that is for sure, and that goes for all sports. People need to be encouraged to use the seas in responsible ways, that way we can all utilise them and continue to enjoy them for whatever our particular pleasures are.

Edited September 7, 2006 by womble

[jaidam]

After fishing in Koh Tao for 8 years I can confirm that there are NO problems with divers/fishermen at Chumpon pinnacle. The divers are around the main pinnacles, and the fishermen about 100 meters to the east near the small (secret) pinnacle. Using live squid bait, some great catches can be made here. Large trevally ( Alectis ciliaris) are common,as well as cobia, snapper and grouper.Occasionally rainbow runner and threadfin salmon can also be taken. As for fishing with dead bait, just stay in bed.

Marlin and sailfish can be taken at Chumpon pinnacle pretty much year round.By far the best bet is just off Maehaad town where the billfish school up in the bay, starting very end of December.It would be very unusual to be fishing in this area and not see them jumping. Average size is quite small at around 40lbs but the occasional whopper is also taken.I use a Shimano TLD 15 filled with thin diameter 40lb test and sometimes get spooled.Even a small sailfish will take hundreds of meters of line in seconds.Unfortunately it doesnt take long before the longtail boys put their nets around the small pinnacles in the bay and wipe out the billfish.They often take as many as 40 sailfish in a night.

Over the last year, dozens of new wrecks have been discovered around Koh Tao.They are far away so can only be fished with a minimum 3 day/night liveaboard.Very exciting fishing over a wreck where the fish have never seen a baited hook before.Dead bait is fine at these remote wrecks.At nightime its possible to jig up live squid which don't last more than a few seconds on the hook before something hoovers it up.We haven't had much luck with topwater fishing these wrecks.Just King mackerel and dolphin, but there must be a chance at dogtooth tuna, wahoo or possibly even giant trevally.The next trip leaves 8th oct.I for one will be onboard!

Some photos of Koh Tao fishing are online at

http://tfp.mangofishing.com/index.php?opti...5&Itemid=51

with lots more coming soon.

Lastly, on the subject of reef degredation. The runnoff from the cleared land on Koh Tao hasn't helped the inshore reefs.This impact is minimal when compared with the destruction novice divers, and some who should know better, cause by trampling all over the coral.Spearfishing by divers have done away with the large reef fishes such as gold snapper and groupers.With the exception of green rock, the dive sites are just not worth fishing.The reefs and pinnacles that have yet to be "discovered" by divers are still full of life.

At 1,200 baht/day inc. rod hire,2 way taxi, bait, cooked lunch, water and ice, the daily fishing tours are still good value.

[migrant]

Hey Guys,

You've talked fishing, and diving, 2 of my 3 favorite sports (3rd is private).

What about spearfishing?

Here in California diving (mainly in the outer islands) has good spearfishing, lobster and abalone collecting.

I'll eventually be full time in Hua Hin, and If I am correct, the areas you've been talking about are 2-3 hours away?

Thanks!

[womble]

Spearfishing is illegal in Thailand. Spearfishing school fish such as tuna is ok, (not that thailand has many big tuna, not like CA) and doesn't harm populations and limited spearfishing on healthy reefs, the trouble with spearfishing is it usually targets the reefs biggest fish, the breeding stock and as they are all killed it can have quite an impact. A far greater impact than fishing with rod and line. So a healthy reef with one or two spearfisherman is ok, but in areas such as koh tao where reef life is already in danger it can be quite harmful if too many people do it.

I used to spearfish a little myself in Spain and it was good fun, can't stand people who spearfish with tanks on though, thats cheating, and they're the ones who really do serious damage.

To be honest all the fish you would want to spear have already been had on the inshore reefs.

[migrant]

Spearfishing is illegal in Thailand. Spearfishing school fish such as tuna is ok, (not that thailand has many big tuna, not like CA) and doesn't harm populations and limited spearfishing on healthy reefs, the trouble with spearfishing is it usually targets the reefs biggest fish, the breeding stock and as they are all killed it can have quite an impact. A far greater impact than fishing with rod and line. So a healthy reef with one or two spearfisherman is ok, but in areas such as koh tao where reef life is already in danger it can be quite harmful if too many people do it.

I used to spearfish a little myself in Spain and it was good fun, can't stand people who spearfish with tanks on though, thats cheating, and they're the ones who really do serious damage.

To be honest all the fish you would want to spear have already been had on the inshore reefs.

Thanks for the info!!