Do's and don'ts in Thailand - Dating Etiquette

[daffanny]

In reply to Daffaney

1. Me - Read 1-10

The list goes on. Got the general idea?

thai food cant indeed give you this many farts.

[daffanny]

when in Rome ...

sex for non-commercial purposes is uncommon.

variety is the spice of life.

get with the program

[Papayabokbok]

Can't understand how a man in Chiang Mai is alone for any length of time with all the hungry women up there

For god sakes man, shut off the computer and go get a 2 hour massage

You went there to live, you said.

Get to it already

What are you suggesting?....Paying for "love"?..wouldnt say these are

quality educated women, albeit some may be, but would seem they

would be working all the time if it were a shady or legit massage....

Im going on year 6 here and am single and alone, not lonely

as my only rule is dont ask for money, ever..im not working

and can support myself, i dont have women flocking on me

that i would want to know but sure have many hookers

cat-calling me and clapping hands like im a dog......

IMO suckers pay...i have plenty of time to invest and

am open to talk to anyone--except scammy hookers...

im always open and welcome a quality women to "flock"..

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Hold on I have to find a barf bag

What slop.

Females everywhere in Thailand, if you are alone, there is a reason

No one wants you

[siamod]

Yes, no thaiwoman wants me also as I am an old sugardaddy, 51 years old and not rich enough to buy houses, pick ups and the newest electronics for them. This is the reason. But if your pockets deep enough, it is paradise for us farang men and every woman is so keen on you. Mai aw khrap. Better go for western woman imho.

[kekalot]

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Sweet Jesus,

In Chasing Mai and he wants to meet only western women, and everyone here is indulging him, without a full understanding of why his loving wife, who planned this with him for years, or was just going along silently, which is doubtful just suddenly decided to abandon it all, including the family dogs to return to what exactly?

Without hearing from the wife, I don't believe a word the OP states

BTW, the reason so many Thais think they will be sold into slavery is because that's a Thai specialist occupation and they go to the sam e villages every few months waiting for the girls to graduate 6th grade so they can select the new crop before the parents have any other ideas about backing out on their agreements when they took those loans from the loanshark

Thai selling Thai is a known fact, just ask the UN trafficking condemnation that Thailand cannot shake

This OP in Chiang Man is a sob story but has no hint of truth

You cannot be a single man in Chiang Mai and not be nearly assaulted by the throngs of women....even Tim Sharkey is surrounded by hordes of young girls

Sorry OP.
Anyone in Chiang Kai for 24 hours knows better.
Western women are too smart for you

quoted for truth, as a 32 year old athletic man who has lived "mostly" in Cha-am, Phetchaburi but visited Chiang Mai once.

I went to Chiang Mai from Pai for dentist and my old farang friend needed to stay two nights (extensive work)

he pulled me in a club (Spicy), I definitely got some attention in Chiang Mai that I haven't felt back in Cha-am.. but then again, I don't usually go to night clubs..

I ended up meeting a girl who would pay EVERYTHING for me and want me to move in with her (right!).. I went to see her for two days again when i drove back to Phetchaburi from Pai.. learned the hard way she was an annoying drunk and I don't drink, I had to follow her everywhere and prevent her from hurting herself and others.. turns out she was some kind of freelance girl or something of the sort.

Plenty of women in their 30s available for you.

The older ones want just as much, and generally have less to offer.

ThaiCupid, you can fix up a different date for every night of the week in CM.

Can you be more specific on what they have less to offer? I find them to be more loyal.

I will concede your point if it is sex you are talking about. But I think the OP is looking for more than that.

regarding Thaicupid, I think that most of the women on there would be mostly Gaijin Hunters (Japanese term for foreigners hunters) and from my experience meeting a few of them, the older ones seem to be the ones that have had a "few" foreigner boyfriends and are quite westernized by then.. some of them with kids from those relationships and quite high expectations by then

nothing wrong with that, just saying it's not really the place to find genuine jai dee thai women i found.

Edited April 7, 2015 by kekalot

[Berkshire]

Thai women are, shall we say, a little more willing to overlook flaws in social skills that would cause many "desirable" western woman to run the other way from a guy. Some of the reason could be economic, some could simply be that a Thai woman may not be as good at "reading" a western guy and recognizing early warnings that something isn't quite right with a guy.

The net result can be the horror stories you read about here on Thai Visa. Guys who had problems with relationships in the west end up having problems with relationship here with Thai woman. Guys who feel like they were "done wrong" by a woman in the west are also "done wrong" by a Thai woman, it's just the way the Thai woman does it is different.

Nancy, you have a very good understanding of the farang men/Thai women dynamic here in Thailand. There are quite a few socially awkward farangs in Thailand who would be un-datable back home, even with women their age. And this applies to young and old guys alike. Sure there are some treacherous Thai women out there, but then I've seen just as many farang men who are just plain wrecks. More times that I've said to myself "why would that poor girl possibly want to be with that guy" than the other way around.

[Saan]

The best advice I can give you is to treat your date as a lady, no matter where you meet her. Respect her.

[beau thai]

The OP must be wondering what he started here!! Her may not be learning much about dating etiquette but he is learning a lot about we TV posters. Great fun. keep it coming. And watch out for sweeping generalisations about women- thai or western.

I picked up a book once because the title grabbed my attention 'What every man understands about Women' I opened it- every page was blank.....

[kaorop]

Well except for a few this has been a nice thread to read, a revelation on T 'clickbaittroll' V.

Thanks to the female expats for their insight and info on western gal in los,

though I've rarely met any and the few I have were vastly incompatible.

I do agree I've seen many many western men making serious compromises in the lives to be with a Thai lady.

[MaeJoMTB]

Plenty of women in their 30s available for you.

The older ones want just as much, and generally have less to offer.

ThaiCupid, you can fix up a different date for every night of the week in CM.

Can you be more specific on what they have less to offer? I find them to be more loyal.

I will concede your point if it is sex you are talking about. But I think the OP is looking for more than that.

I found the older they get, the more debt (and weight) they accumulate.

Neither of which I find attractive in a woman.

[MaeJoMTB]

I went to Chiang Mai from Pai for dentist and my old farang friend needed to stay two nights (extensive work)

he pulled me in a club (Spicy), I definitely got some attention in Chiang Mai that I haven't felt back in Cha-am.. but then again, I don't usually go to night clubs..

I ended up meeting a girl who would pay EVERYTHING for me and want me to move in with her (right!).. I went to see her for two days again when i drove back to Phetchaburi from Pai.. learned the hard way she was an annoying drunk and I don't drink, I had to follow her everywhere and prevent her from hurting herself and others.. turns out she was some kind of freelance girl or something of the sort.

Hardly surprising as Spicy is a known after hours pick up joint for Thai prostitutes.

No legit Thai girls EVER found in there.

[Mcffee]

That is correct. We did arrive as a couple but my wife took an instant dislike to living here ( We had holidayed in Thailand since 1991) She decided to return to Qld at the end of Jan. So no, this is not a troll posting. Holidaying and living in an environment is different. The question is relevant to the position that I find myself in.

NEVER TAKE YOUR WIFE TO CHIANGMAI it's the city where most foreign marriages shipwreck within weeks. Men who take their woman to ChiangMai quickly loose themselves into the fatal comparison with the young and cheerful local girls and suddenly realize that their wife is actually is nothing but a useless old wreck with nothing left to satisfy and confirm your masculinity. ChiangMai makes you feel like a touch and trendy young car pulling a heavy old caravan. Free yourself!

[amykat]

In the same way that you hear about thai women scamming farang, thai families also hear about farang taking their young women abroad to be sold into slavery. Seriously. But if you are looking at 40 plus, less of a problem!

I would just like to point out, that your example above is in no way comparable ...as far as I know/in my opinion ... I have never heard of a real case of a Thai wife being sold by her farang husband into slavery, but many Thais believe in ghosts too and I haven't seen any of those either. I mean really, do any of us even know where/how to sell a human into slavery if by chance you decided to do that???

However, there are many verifiable examples that all expats must know of, of Thais scamming their partners in all variety of ways.

But come on, if the man did NOT come here because he was convinced he needed a Thai woman, and IF he would like to date Western women, I think he really should do that! The cultural differences are enormous between Thais and farangs, they take YEARS to learn about, and once it gets figured out and one discovers that maybe they are compromising a bit too much in life to be in that cross-cultural relationship...well often one is stuck here, had a baby they didn't plan on, or maybe they don't look forward to starting out again at 67 or 75 years old, etc.

I think a lot of the expat men here, will be the biggest challenge to dating Western women here ... in fact I think the OP would show a lot of character by being able to handle the ridiculous peer pressure I bet will exist for him to "go Thai ...go 30 years younger, etc."

"I would just like to point out, that your example above is in no way comparable ...as far as I know/in my opinion ... I have never heard of a real case of a Thai wife being sold by her farang husband into slavery, but many Thais believe in ghosts too and I haven't seen any of those either. I mean really, do any of us even know where/how to sell a human into slavery if by chance you decided to do that???"

Er, you 'edited' my words to add 'husband and wife'?? You have really never heard of thai girls/women going abroad to Japan/Korea/Middle East/Hong Kong to lucrative non-existent jobs and finishing up as sex workers or abused maids??? Really?

If you are interested try google - this from a 20 second search specific to Japan-Thai only-

"

"After leaving a primary school, I helped my parents do some domestic chores and worked in the paddy field. My friend told me that she was going to work in Japan and persuaded me to go with her. I decided to go with her. But I told my mother I went to work in Bangkok.

When we arrived in Japan, the weather was so cold. An agent chose me and my friend and sent us to Tokyo. Other women were sent to rural areas. The agent told us that each of us owed him 500,000 Thai Baht (about US$ 20,000). We were taken to a bar where inside we could see thirty Thai women singing and talking to customers. A man who was in charge of the bar told me to sit with one of the customers who had already paid him 30,000 Yen (about US$ 300). After that, he ordered me to go out with that customer."

The exaggerated and much repeated stories of thai girls scamming farang is not a one way street, and some of the stories I hear-never at 1st or 2nd hand of course- remind me of the saying that a fool and his money are easily parted.

In a bar in Thailand or a divorce court in farangland.

Hi beau thai,

Sorry, I don't believe I edited your statement ...I quoted your statement, and then I made my own statement which was more specific, because yes, I have heard of people being sold into slavery ...no, I haven't heard of a Western husband doing that to his Thai wife and while I'm sure there must be some cases in the world, (the man pimped his wife or something and fake marriages meant to bring hookers into Western markets) I believe it is not something that Thai woman need to be on guard for, and I do believe Western men do need to be on guard against many types of dishonesty here. We were not talking about a job offer in the Middle East.

I felt you were making light of that by comparing an almost unheard of event to maybe an everyday event? I'm sorry if I offended you though and thank you for offering the above story.

[MaeJoMTB]

If you are interested try google - this from a 20 second search specific to Japan-Thai only-

"

"After leaving a primary school, I helped my parents do some domestic chores and worked in the paddy field. My friend told me that she was going to work in Japan and persuaded me to go with her. I decided to go with her. But I told my mother I went to work in Bangkok.

When we arrived in Japan, the weather was so cold. An agent chose me and my friend and sent us to Tokyo. Other women were sent to rural areas. The agent told us that each of us owed him 500,000 Thai Baht (about US$ 20,000). We were taken to a bar where inside we could see thirty Thai women singing and talking to customers. A man who was in charge of the bar told me to sit with one of the customers who had already paid him 30,000 Yen (about US$ 300). After that, he ordered me to go out with that customer."

Am I right in assuming the agent, in your story, would have been an Asian man (or often woman)?

Which is a bit different from a 'farang' (aka white Caucasian for those of us who speak English) selling a Thai woman into prostitution.

[FolkGuitar]

If you are interested try google - this from a 20 second search specific to Japan-Thai only-

"

"After leaving a primary school, I helped my parents do some domestic chores and worked in the paddy field. My friend told me that she was going to work in Japan and persuaded me to go with her. I decided to go with her. But I told my mother I went to work in Bangkok.

When we arrived in Japan, the weather was so cold. An agent chose me and my friend and sent us to Tokyo. Other women were sent to rural areas. The agent told us that each of us owed him 500,000 Thai Baht (about US$ 20,000). We were taken to a bar where inside we could see thirty Thai women singing and talking to customers. A man who was in charge of the bar told me to sit with one of the customers who had already paid him 30,000 Yen (about US$ 300). After that, he ordered me to go out with that customer."

Am I right in assuming the agent, in your story, would have been an Asian man (or often woman)?

Which is a bit different from a 'farang' (aka white Caucasian for those of us who speak English) selling a Thai woman into prostitution.

Having lived in Japan for many, many years I can attest to the fact that groups of Thai women were often brought into the country and forced into jobs as 'hostesses' in "No Pants Kissa" karaoke clubs, (performing everything short of sexual intercourse) 'soapland' attendants with sexual intercourse as the norm, and ordinary prostitutes. This was very common, and usually run by the Yakuza, the Japanese organized crime syndicates. So common in fact, that for many years, Thai women could only get tourist visas to Japan by showing huge amounts of money in a bank account, often over $250,000 USD. The Japanese government assumed that if a woman had that much in her bank account she wouldn't be turning tricks in Tokyo!

[beau thai]

If you are interested try google - this from a 20 second search specific to Japan-Thai only-

"

"After leaving a primary school, I helped my parents do some domestic chores and worked in the paddy field. My friend told me that she was going to work in Japan and persuaded me to go with her. I decided to go with her. But I told my mother I went to work in Bangkok.

When we arrived in Japan, the weather was so cold. An agent chose me and my friend and sent us to Tokyo. Other women were sent to rural areas. The agent told us that each of us owed him 500,000 Thai Baht (about US$ 20,000). We were taken to a bar where inside we could see thirty Thai women singing and talking to customers. A man who was in charge of the bar told me to sit with one of the customers who had already paid him 30,000 Yen (about US$ 300). After that, he ordered me to go out with that customer."

Am I right in assuming the agent, in your story, would have been an Asian man (or often woman)?

Which is a bit different from a 'farang' (aka white Caucasian for those of us who speak English) selling a Thai woman into prostitution.

I have no idea-as I said it was a 20 second google search.

It seems to me that many criticize thai because they often blame misdemeanours here on Myanmar folk etc. And now the boot is on the other foot. Farang are saying 'Farang selling thai girl's into sex work- oh no, they must be asians doing it'

I would bet that in many capital cities- London, Sydney,Amsterdam, Paris etc there are white sex traffickers.

Another 20 second search revealed Streets of Freedom -about sex workers from Asia in Australia. If you want to believe they are all there by choice, or only coerced by other Asians not white Australians, then that's up to you

[beau thai]

In the same way that you hear about thai women scamming farang, thai families also hear about farang taking their young women abroad to be sold into slavery. Seriously. But if you are looking at 40 plus, less of a problem!

I would just like to point out, that your example above is in no way comparable ...as far as I know/in my opinion ... I have never heard of a real case of a Thai wife being sold by her farang husband into slavery, but many Thais believe in ghosts too and I haven't seen any of those either. I mean really, do any of us even know where/how to sell a human into slavery if by chance you decided to do that???

However, there are many verifiable examples that all expats must know of, of Thais scamming their partners in all variety of ways.

But come on, if the man did NOT come here because he was convinced he needed a Thai woman, and IF he would like to date Western women, I think he really should do that! The cultural differences are enormous between Thais and farangs, they take YEARS to learn about, and once it gets figured out and one discovers that maybe they are compromising a bit too much in life to be in that cross-cultural relationship...well often one is stuck here, had a baby they didn't plan on, or maybe they don't look forward to starting out again at 67 or 75 years old, etc.

I think a lot of the expat men here, will be the biggest challenge to dating Western women here ... in fact I think the OP would show a lot of character by being able to handle the ridiculous peer pressure I bet will exist for him to "go Thai ...go 30 years younger, etc."

"I would just like to point out, that your example above is in no way comparable ...as far as I know/in my opinion ... I have never heard of a real case of a Thai wife being sold by her farang husband into slavery, but many Thais believe in ghosts too and I haven't seen any of those either. I mean really, do any of us even know where/how to sell a human into slavery if by chance you decided to do that???"

Er, you 'edited' my words to add 'husband and wife'?? You have really never heard of thai girls/women going abroad to Japan/Korea/Middle East/Hong Kong to lucrative non-existent jobs and finishing up as sex workers or abused maids??? Really?

If you are interested try google - this from a 20 second search specific to Japan-Thai only-

"

"After leaving a primary school, I helped my parents do some domestic chores and worked in the paddy field. My friend told me that she was going to work in Japan and persuaded me to go with her. I decided to go with her. But I told my mother I went to work in Bangkok.

When we arrived in Japan, the weather was so cold. An agent chose me and my friend and sent us to Tokyo. Other women were sent to rural areas. The agent told us that each of us owed him 500,000 Thai Baht (about US$ 20,000). We were taken to a bar where inside we could see thirty Thai women singing and talking to customers. A man who was in charge of the bar told me to sit with one of the customers who had already paid him 30,000 Yen (about US$ 300). After that, he ordered me to go out with that customer."

The exaggerated and much repeated stories of thai girls scamming farang is not a one way street, and some of the stories I hear-never at 1st or 2nd hand of course- remind me of the saying that a fool and his money are easily parted.

In a bar in Thailand or a divorce court in farangland.

Hi beau thai,

Sorry, I don't believe I edited your statement ...I quoted your statement, and then I made my own statement which was more specific, because yes, I have heard of people being sold into slavery ...no, I haven't heard of a Western husband doing that to his Thai wife and while I'm sure there must be some cases in the world, (the man pimped his wife or something and fake marriages meant to bring hookers into Western markets) I believe it is not something that Thai woman need to be on guard for, and I do believe Western men do need to be on guard against many types of dishonesty here. We were not talking about a job offer in the Middle East.

I felt you were making light of that by comparing an almost unheard of event to maybe an everyday event? I'm sorry if I offended you though and thank you for offering the above story.

I find this laughable. A few farang who should no better let themselves get scammed and then the stories get spun. Similarly, thai people get media exposure to the few farang taking their daughters. (again, I said nothing about husbands and wives-you did).

The first time I took my gf out of the country her family were very nervous and wanted copies of my passport, and my gf explained why and what they had seen on television. We had a laugh about it.

Then when we tried to get into Singapore (for where thais do not need a visa), she was taken into the small room for a 15 minute interrogation and fingerprints etc and they definitely wouldnt let me go with her. Why??

Macau? Same thing. Hong Kong? Same thing. You think there is no problem and they do that for amusement?

And I was talking about the other side of the coin- exploitation of thai girls by farang. Whether they are taken to 'jobs' in the middle east by farang or wherever. If you want to believe it is a miniscule issue. fine. But if you want to learn more, search human trafficking of thai girls, and suspend your disbelief..

I am amazed that farang can be so defensive of our own scum, but sympathise with the gullible few who get scammed here. Touching really.

I dont know of anyone scammed farang personally, i just hear the same old stories. Oh yes, I did meet an aussie at immigration last year who said he had a problem as his thai gf wouldnt let him into 'his' house. I said incredulously 'you put the house in her name and didnt think it was a gift?' He said, 'No-it was still in the name of the people he bought it from' But he had paid. Sorry that is not exploitation, that's downright stupidity.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I attend a talk by a prominent figure in Chiang Mai. A foreign diplomat who was involved with trying to free women from being sold into prostitution. It is not always what people believe it to be. One lady they freed returned to it voluntarily but they still considered here as being in slavery. Many of the ladies and girls prefer it to starvation.

Well, everyone prefers it to starvation. But a good number also prefer it to working at a gas station, construction site, hotel maid, etc.. (The more likely alternative)

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Meanwhile, this thread got me thinking and I did a mental count. In the 7 years I've lived here, I can think of at least 10 western women -- over age 40, but under age 60, good looking, fit and fun to be around -- who stayed over here for a year or so, thinking they were going to stay long-term, but moved on when they realized they hadn't had a date in the entire time they'd been in Thailand.

This thread has made me realize the enormous peer pressure that guys are under, too, to date young Thai women ("follow your built-in GPS") and to reject all western women as man-hating feminist shrews.

In all seriousness, if someone chooses a relationship based on peer pressure then he has bigger issues going on that have been debated in this topic so far.

Also I know quite a few guys married to Western women; most of them (ok: all of them) already married prior to coming here. Although they are a bit weird or course. It's not like they hide it though.

I think it's a lot more to do with exploring/experiencing Thailand and Thai people, curiosity if you will, and then of course it's too late and they're hooked.

But anyway, is it time for this mandatory link yet.. It's VERY spot on. http://notthenation.com/2009/09/female-expat-maintains-positive-self-image-despite-living-in-thailand/

Edited April 7, 2015 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Cpkt8]

Just be yourself, be natural. Your future partner must like the way you are. Looks is not important, the inner beauty is. Good luck!

[NancyL]

Meanwhile, this thread got me thinking and I did a mental count. In the 7 years I've lived here, I can think of at least 10 western women -- over age 40, but under age 60, good looking, fit and fun to be around -- who stayed over here for a year or so, thinking they were going to stay long-term, but moved on when they realized they hadn't had a date in the entire time they'd been in Thailand.

This thread has made me realize the enormous peer pressure that guys are under, too, to date young Thai women ("follow your built-in GPS") and to reject all western women as man-hating feminist shrews.

In all seriousness, if someone chooses a relationship based on peer pressure then he has bigger issues going on that have been debated in this topic so far.

Also I know quite a few guys married to Western women; most of them (ok: all of them) already married prior to coming here. Although they are a bit weird or course. It's not like they hide it though.

I think it's a lot more to do with exploring/experiencing Thailand and Thai people, curiosity if you will, and then of course it's too late and they're hooked.

But anyway, is it time for this mandatory link yet.. It's VERY spot on. http://notthenation.com/2009/09/female-expat-maintains-positive-self-image-despite-living-in-thailand/

Once again, Winnie, you're spot-on -- just like you were with you're map of how to avoid the speed trap by meandering thru the basement parking garage of KSK.

That gal in the "news article" could be any one of the gals I know who abandoned Chiang Mai after living here a year or so. Sharp, with-it gals, who were financially independent, reasonably good looking and fun to be around. Aged 40 - 60. With the means and desire to settle down to an early retirement or dabbling in some quiet internet work. But, after a while they got tired of seeing the sights of Thailand with other women and longed to meet some of interesting-looking western-guys they saw around town. Maybe do some weekend trips with them. Something more than dinner at Pern's with a few gay guys.

[NancyL]

That is correct. We did arrive as a couple but my wife took an instant dislike to living here ( We had holidayed in Thailand since 1991) She decided to return to Qld at the end of Jan. So no, this is not a troll posting. Holidaying and living in an environment is different. The question is relevant to the position that I find myself in.

NEVER TAKE YOUR WIFE TO CHIANGMAI it's the city where most foreign marriages shipwreck within weeks. Men who take their woman to ChiangMai quickly loose themselves into the fatal comparison with the young and cheerful local girls and suddenly realize that their wife is actually is nothing but a useless old wreck with nothing left to satisfy and confirm your masculinity. ChiangMai makes you feel like a touch and trendy young car pulling a heavy old caravan. Free yourself!

You are absolutely nuts! Every foreign marriage that I know to have "shipwrecked" in Chiang Mai was already in trouble before it washed up here in Chiang Mai. The OP admitted as much in this thread.

It's not unusual for couples to decide to split at the start of retirement, yet remain friends. Each goes on to pursue their interests, which is sounds like may be happening in this case. I hope they will be available to each other in times of crisis.

[ttthailand]

It's simple.... Clean yourself up, hair, face, teeth, nails, cloths, apartment, etc etc.... Then speak nice, act nice and be nice. Avoid bar girls as they are for everyone's play only and if a nice girl sees you with one it may have a negative affect. Take your time and they will start coming to you. Only date what you really like and move on if not perfect. Never give or promise money, NEVER !

Take your time and enjoy ..... Good luck !

[sfokevin]

Something more than dinner at Pern's with a few gay guys...

I suggest the gals ask their gay guy friends to take them to the Freeguy Club for a late show and some takeaway...

Edited April 8, 2015 by sfokevin

[Konini]

To add to what has been mentioned here and quickly glossed over, I have to say that as a happily married and obviously content woman, a lot of male friends talk to me perhaps in a way that they wouldn't talk to others in our circles. Several have told me that they would love to find a farang rather than a Thai woman - more than one are pretty much resigned to being single as they specifically don't want a Thai girlfriend. It does happen, and I'm not just talking about socially awkward or overly shy men either.

I have no idea where the single western women are, but just in my group of friends there are a good few looking for them.

[true blue]

so funny this topic always wondered why a drooping grannie would want to come to los other than a holiday for a week or so.long term though no, surely there life is with there grand kids, or the bingo hall, or is it darby and joan clubs if there still desperate,for company, back home is the place,not here in Thailand.even they must admit next to most thai ladys there is no contest.5/6 years ago a elder farang lady was a rare sight in cnx,wondered why the change there is quite a few around now.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

It's simple.... Clean yourself up, hair, face, teeth, nails, cloths, apartment, etc etc.... Then speak nice, act nice and be nice. Avoid bar girls as they are for everyone's play only and if a nice girl sees you with one it may have a negative affect.

Nice girls won't see you with one no matter what as they tend to move in different circles. So there's really no problem taking bargirls around Spicey, etc.

You can have a double or triple life without too much effort. It's actually quite enjoyable to enjoy multiple worlds.

I flip through my camera pictures sometimes and it's like having been in separate dimensions, from one image to the next.

[ScarpoFongness4U]

While in Chiang Mai, I met several foreign women, mostly British.

They were nice, but, they aren't the reason for me, as an American to be I Thailand, but they all had the same opinion of the Thai girls, none favorable.

But, what did they think they were offering that the Thai girls couldnt wouldnt or didn't?

My favorite was a pretty Thai girl age 28, who upon meeting me wasted no time in telling me she wanted me to help her attract bisexual western women for threesome's

At first I didnt believe her, until she pointed one out for me to approach, but before I got up, she was joined by a group.

I had to return to bkk a few days later and we never had the opportunity to play again....

But I do love Chiang Mai

[WinnieTheKhwai]

While in Chiang Mai, I met several foreign women, mostly British.

They were nice, but, they aren't the reason for me, as an American to be I Thailand, but they all had the same opinion of the Thai girls, none favorable.

Well it's not like Farang women are any more clued in than the men, generally speaking.

With time that does improve though.