tartempion Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionlyflyfirstclass Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? Hi. I am not the person who designates what is considered as first and/or business class. In the end, it's up to the customers to make a comprehensive judgement on the quality of an airline. You are correct in saying that Thai Airway's SEA > Europe routes are only angle lie flat as opposed to flat beds (in business). Some customers prefer Thai Airways because they are a reputable brand that provides amazing service and consistency throughout the year. They are rated 4 stars by SkyTrax for a reason. In the end, it's a matter of airline preference as some customers might not want to fly the airlines that you have stated. For routes that connect through the Middle East, I cannot compete with those prices. I am however, looking for the clients who want to fly direct to London, France and Frankurt via TG as opposed to making a 1 stop to connect into Europe. I am confident that some people would pay the extra, or perhaps deal with a non flat bed in business to avoid a potential layover in Doha or DXB. Also, if you compare the price of business class on thaiairways.com and match it against mine, you will see that we are competitive in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? BA do have flat bed seats in C class, and I flew in one nonstop from BKK-LHR last month. See: http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/travel-classes/business/club-world Current BKK-LHR-BKK R/T fare is about US$3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionlyflyfirstclass Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? BA do have flat bed seats in C class, and I flew in one nonstop from BKK-LHR last month. See: http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/travel-classes/business/club-world Current BKK-LHR-BKK R/T fare is about US$3000 Can you please tell me where you are sourcing this $3000 deal from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? BA do have flat bed seats in C class, and I flew in one nonstop from BKK-LHR last month. See: http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/travel-classes/business/club-world Current BKK-LHR-BKK R/T fare is about US$3000 Can you please tell me where you are sourcing this $3000 deal from? I'd imagine he's getting it from their website - not too difficult to track down. Business class return at the moment for around 100,000 baht. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? BA do have flat bed seats in C class, and I flew in one nonstop from BKK-LHR last month. See: http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/travel-classes/business/club-world Current BKK-LHR-BKK R/T fare is about US$3000 Can you please tell me where you are sourcing this $3000 deal from? I'd imagine he's getting it from their website - not too difficult to track down. Business class return at the moment for around 100,000 baht. Is anyone else getting the impression this method is risky and unnecessary? Inevitable anxiety about airlines reaction to dodgy ticket and at least on the London route no cost saving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav622 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 First and Business class is designated by the airline and IATA. You can easily get 3000 US dollars business class and maybe even cheaper for airlines like Qatar and Etihad depending on the destination. The US has cheaper fares than places like Canada where it ridiculously expensive. Thailand has fairly decent fares out of BKK. The contract between the airline and the passenger gets negated if the ticket is bought from an unauthorized agent if there is any problems so it is a huge risk to take if the agent who sells the ticket if not an authorized agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano2274 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) My wife got Business from Munich to BKK for one month with Qatar flying B787 and A380 both ways for 1600Euros which is around 1730 USD, Thai airways wanted over 3000USD. Traveling this week, to end of May. I think the experience on Qatar and the price is worth a stopover. Why risk getting turned away at the airport buying miles from someone like this deal, and how about compensation, am sure that Thai Law isn"t going to help anyone..... Edited April 19, 2015 by beano2274 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) For me busines class is fully lie flat (not the "reclining lie flat type) with all seats aisle access. Anything less doen not get my biz. I think that excludes BA, LH and some others for the time being. Flying mostly BKK-BRU I usually find a good deal around 2000 euro/80k baht with EY. For 2015 bought 2 tickets with QR because wanted to fly A380 and B787 for 2200 euros. This pricing excludes Thai, asking 135kB. Thus I don't see 3000usd on mileage tickets as a goood deal. What do you say to this? BA do have flat bed seats in C class, and I flew in one nonstop from BKK-LHR last month. See: http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/travel-classes/business/club-world Current BKK-LHR-BKK R/T fare is about US$3000 Can you please tell me where you are sourcing this $3000 deal from? That's what I paid several weeks ago. USD3008 to be exact. Before posting that last one, I checked a random date for next month and got the same. If you are going to offer dodgy tickets based on purchased frequent flyer miles that break the airline frequent flyer programme rules, I would expect a substantial discount in taking the risk and not collecting any frequent flyer miles for myself. And if you are going to sell such tickets, I would have thought you may have known how to do the pricing research yourself. Edited April 19, 2015 by bubba 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fab5BKK Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Thai Airways are not competitive that's the main issue here. Currently, there are lots of alternative solutions (direct and indirect long haul flights) offering much better value for money. Paying the current market price while taking a risk and not getting any airmiles and/or status points does sound a very "strange" proposition (understatement to stay polite!)... Edited April 19, 2015 by Fab5BKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano2274 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Seems a lot of ThaiVisa guys think this is dodgy. Remember one thing that TV is not gonna help you if you get caught out, no background checks done here. Our advertising terms and conditions state (17) Thaivisa Expat Group Co., Ltd. do not warrant that any product or service advertised have the necessary approvals/permits to operate within Thailand, the responsibility for these approvals remains with the advertiser. Seems that money is key here, shame as people who get caught out will post about it, and TV will get a bad name. Edited April 19, 2015 by beano2274 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I don't think you will get many takers, there are loads of wealthy TVF poster that fly first and business class all the time and wouldn't lose face by taking a cheaper price. TVF posters are among the worlds hi so flyers. Then there's always the digital pikeys but I can spot them slumming at the front of the bus from a mile away. Already bought my biz class flights for the year for £1000 return each time....$3000?....wowee! That's a great price - which airline, and how to buy? Malaysian Airlines....I bought 'em on ebookers.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw25rw Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Then there's always the digital pikeys but I can spot them slumming at the front of the bus from a mile away. Already bought my biz class flights for the year for £1000 return each time....$3000?....wowee! That's a great price - which airline, and how to buy? Malaysian Airlines....I bought 'em on ebookers.com Is that from London or do you go to Amsterdam for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Sorry yes flight from Amsterdam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooloomooloo Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Thanks, smokie. Question answered and a good price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabC Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Interesting.... I'd like to see some real quotes posted... I've applied online, I'll see what's offered. Great idea! Here are some of our best sellers. All prices are in USD and are ROUND TRIP: Bangkok > London | $3190 | Thai Airways Bangkok > Europe (excluding London) | $2890 | Thai Airways Bangkok > Brisbane / Melbourne / Sydney | $1990 | Thai Airways Bangkok > USA | $3290 | Cathay Pacific Bangkok > Japan / Korea | $1290 | Thai Airways I do not think those are great prices. If they are first class prices, they are OK. If they are business class prices they are not good. Now how do I define business class? My basis is the Premium elite class on EVA airlines. From USA LAX to BKK with a stop in Taiepei the roundtrip flight is about 1700 USD. That class of seat is very large, no elbow room issues, separate from coach and the only higher section is first class. I consider EVA Elite class the equivalent or better of International Business class EVA Elite is not and never has been Business Class, "Royal Laurel" is EVA's Business class. Elite is a premium economy class. Very simple answer is do you turn left or right on boarding.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw25rw Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Interesting.... I'd like to see some real quotes posted... I've applied online, I'll see what's offered. Great idea! Here are some of our best sellers. All prices are in USD and are ROUND TRIP: Bangkok > London | $3190 | Thai Airways Bangkok > Europe (excluding London) | $2890 | Thai Airways Bangkok > Brisbane / Melbourne / Sydney | $1990 | Thai Airways Bangkok > USA | $3290 | Cathay Pacific Bangkok > Japan / Korea | $1290 | Thai Airways I do not think those are great prices. If they are first class prices, they are OK. If they are business class prices they are not good. Now how do I define business class? My basis is the Premium elite class on EVA airlines. From USA LAX to BKK with a stop in Taiepei the roundtrip flight is about 1700 USD. That class of seat is very large, no elbow room issues, separate from coach and the only higher section is first class. I consider EVA Elite class the equivalent or better of International Business class EVA Elite is not and never has been Business Class, "Royal Laurel" is EVA's Business class. Elite is a premium economy class. Very simple answer is do you turn left or right on boarding.... I missed that post.. I fly elite sometimes. As someone with a large and long frame, I find the comfort level much like economy is to an average size person, only without the brats. Nothing like business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB300 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) http://www.seatguru.com/ provides information on the different airlines seating configurations. Edited April 22, 2015 by JB300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Emirates have some great business class fares going now. For example, London 76,145, Amsterdam 48,115, New York 91,570. Nothing dodgy and you get frequent flyer miles as well. http://www.emirates.com/th/English/destinations_offers/special_offers/special_fares/special_fares.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB300 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Emirates have some great business class fares going now. For example, London 76,145, Amsterdam 48,115, New York 91,570. Nothing dodgy and you get frequent flyer miles as well. http://www.emirates.com/th/English/destinations_offers/special_offers/special_fares/special_fares.aspx Looked a little too good to be true then I spotted the disclaimer at the bottom "* All fares are exclusive of all taxes and surcharges. Fares may differ slightly due to currency fluctuations and/or government tax regulations as per journey booked. Fares and conditions are updated on 8 April 2015 and are subject to change without prior notice" Which added approx 30,000 the the BKK-MAN flights I was pricing up, FinnAir are 86,382 for the same trip (granted typically not as good planes as Emirates but good enough & the journey is a little shorter) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB300 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Emirates have some great business class fares going now. For example, London 76,145, Amsterdam 48,115, New York 91,570. Nothing dodgy and you get frequent flyer miles as well. http://www.emirates.com/th/English/destinations_offers/special_offers/special_fares/special_fares.aspx Looked a little too good to be true then I spotted the disclaimer at the bottom "* All fares are exclusive of all taxes and surcharges. Fares may differ slightly due to currency fluctuations and/or government tax regulations as per journey booked. Fares and conditions are updated on 8 April 2015 and are subject to change without prior notice" Which added 31,800 to the BKK-MAN flights I was pricing up. FinnAir are 86,382 for the same trip (granted typically not as good planes as Emirates but good enough & the journey is a little shorter) Edited April 22, 2015 by JB300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw25rw Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Sorry yes flight from Amsterdam. I'll be doing that in July on KLM. I usually go from LHR, but LCY is much closer and this way saves me at least £400. Plus a few hours cruising De Wallen is a good way to get into holiday mode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Sorry yes flight from Amsterdam. I'll be doing that in July on KLM. I usually go from LHR, but LCY is much closer and this way saves me at least £400. Plus a few hours cruising De Wallen is a good way to get into holiday mode. I have a trip planned with some fruity friends to the tulip fields soon...will be a fine relaxing summer weekend before I fly to Bangkok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 What happened to the sponsor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 What happened to the sponsor Perhaps gone to study at the new School of Sponsorship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionlyflyfirstclass Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 We are still here. Just dealing with a customer that found us through this forum actually. I have to say the leads that come through TV are much better than the ones that comes through our other campaigns in terms of conversion rate. Thanks everyone for keeping this thread going! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Look forward to their feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) I was quoted less than 1300 USD for a Business class fare on Thai Airways to Tokyo and Back, that is a considerable saving on Thai Airways official price, I paid 64,000 Baht 7 months ago for the same fare. But, will I have the same freedom to rebook my flight if I cancel my original return date, will it be open for 3 months, will the only thing I will miss is the air miles, and is it a guaranteed no hassle operation like buying from Thai Airways direct ? Edited April 30, 2015 by Banzai99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionlyflyfirstclass Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 I was quoted less than 1300 USD for a Business class fare on Thai Airways to Tokyo and Back, that is a considerable saving on Thai Airways official price, I paid 64,000 Baht 7 months ago for the same fare. But, will I have the same freedom to rebook my flight if I cancel my original return date, will it be open for 3 months, will the only thing I will miss is the air miles, and is it a guaranteed no hassle operation like buying from Thai Airways direct ? Hi Banzai! Thank you for the positive feed back. I would be happy to answer your questions. You will have the option to rebook your flight in case you need to cancel your original return date. It will definitely be open for 3 months, however, we impose a $250 change fee. You will be missing out on any mileage gains with the carrier you are flying on. Guaranteed no hassle on your end as we take care of the entire booking process for you. Once you have received your email confirmation, record locator and E-Ticket, you may remit payment at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booger Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 just don't buy a ticket in lufthansa with these guys, cause it looks like they are savvy to it and have cancelled such tickets at the departure desk. http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k7860105-I_was_sold_fraudulent_tickets_by_Fly_Elite_Class-Air_Travel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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