Compensation payment: Graft buster to consider indicting Yingluck cabinet of power abuse

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Graft buster to consider indicting Yingluck cabinet of power abuse for compensation payment to political unrest victims



BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will consider whether to indict the Yingluck Cabinet of power abuse for paying of compensation to people who were slain and injured during political violence since 2005-2010.

NACC commissioner Vicha Mahakhun said the commission’s working group will forward its investigation to the NACC board to make decision soon whether to indict the cabinet of the former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra after it resolved to pay 577 million baht to a total of 524 victims in the first round of remedy to people suffered from political violence since 2005-2010.

The working group concluded that the Yingluck cabinet had abused power to order the compensation, he said.

But Mr Vicha made clear that the NACC will consider the proposal and make decision if it will go ahead with the indictment of the Yingluck cabinet on power abuse or not soon.

(Photo : Thai PBS File)

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/graft-buster-to-consider-indicting-yingluck-cabinet-of-power-abuse-for-compensation-payment-to-political-unrest-victims


-- Thai PBS 2015-04-30

[Chao Lao Beach]

And the big fish keep swimming around in circles

[phoenixdoglover]

Serious questions:

Does the NACC make up the law as they go along?

Why would this type of compensation for victims of protest violence be considered "abuse of power"?

What happened to the Administrative Court decision regarding this fund; a decision that was supposedly imminent in late 2012?

When the current Junta led government gives land to "landless" farmers, is that a similar abuse of power?

When the cabinet in 2012 approved payment to victims of violence in southern Thailand, was that also abuse of power?

When the government approved payments to flood victims after the floods in 2011, was that also abuse of power?

[seajae]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

[Pikeybkk]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

Seriously, you need to take your head out of your butt, if you think that payng compensation to people who were killed by the army is out of order, nurses were killed, journalists....<deleted>

[rixalex]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

Seriously, you need to take your head out of your butt, if you think that payng compensation to people who were killed by the army is out of order, nurses were killed, journalists....<deleted>

Seriously, you need to stop spinning things. Every time those killed in the protests is brought up, the nurses and journalists are mentioned straight away as if they accounted for the majority of deaths. (Funny however that soldiers usually get no mention.)

The nurses, journalists and soldiers are the ones deserving of sympathy and compensation, but their deaths were in the minority. The vast majority were protesters engaged in an illegal shut down of the city by violent means.

The state doesn't have a right to kill people just because they are breaking the law, and if they acted with undue force, that needs to be looked at, but by the same token, people who engage in illegal activity and get killed, don't have any right to expect compensation. The way the last government handed out money had nothing to do with justice, everything to do with keeping on side a group they were aligned to. Reward money.

[oneday]

Serious questions:

Does the NACC make up the law as they go along?

Why would this type of compensation for victims of protest violence be considered "abuse of power"?

What happened to the Administrative Court decision regarding this fund; a decision that was supposedly imminent in late 2012?

When the current Junta led government gives land to "landless" farmers, is that a similar abuse of power?

When the cabinet in 2012 approved payment to victims of violence in southern Thailand, was that also abuse of power?

When the government approved payments to flood victims after the floods in 2011, was that also abuse of power?

These are all outstanding questions "phoenixdoglover".

My opinion...this is just more of the same...the junta led government following a systematic policy of eradication of the opposition party before the next election. They are making up all kinds of phony charges to make most or all of the opposition party incapable of or unwilling to enter into the next election so it will be a land-side victory for the "yellow shirts". Mark my words there won't be a "red shirt" left standing if this government has its way.

[Local Drunk]

It's over a million baht per victim... to most likely those families that supported a particular political cause to put it coldly.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Local Drunk

[candide]

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

[Local Drunk]

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

Thanks for the numbers, it put's things into a better perspective.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Local Drunk

[Fat Haggis]

It's over a million baht per victim... to most likely those families that supported a particular political cause to put it coldly.

So the junta or any future Non Red Government now shouldn't give any compensation to the injured protesters from 2014 as they supported a political cause then?

[Fat Haggis]

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

After converting these numbers into whatever currency, I would say most of these would be similar to claims made in other countries, not unusual to see such high numbers, my own coverage in the Middle East will net me similar numbers for similar injuries.

The big question here is who investigated these injuries? who signed off of these, as it would have to have been a medical experts? and did the victims and/or families actually receive the full amount of compensation in the first place. ?

[seajae]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

Seriously, you need to take your head out of your butt, if you think that payng compensation to people who were killed by the army is out of order, nurses were killed, journalists....<deleted>

seems your the one with his head where the sun dont shine but then you would need a brain to realize that, they compensated the ones that actually started this crap for the ptp/thaksins benefit. Dont know about you but rewarding terrorists is simply not on, yes definite compensation for the innocent victims that were not involved in starting it(caused by reds, the blackshirts and the army) but not for any of the redshirts that were involved in causing all the sh*t to happen in the first place, they deserve everything that happened to them.

Edited April 30, 2015 by seajae

[bornz]

From the same named other thread:

One may wonder about the requirement made on relatives before given a cheque. They had to sign a document stating not to sue the Yingluck Government with regards to the deaths and/or injuries.

BTW the number of deaths during March - May 2010 red-shirt fun was 93, not the lucky number 99.

not sue - keep their mouths shut or tell lies when asked what happened

as the article highlights:

critics see it as a form of bribe or reward,

[bornz]

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

After converting these numbers into whatever currency, I would say most of these would be similar to claims made in other countries

The numbers are extremely dissimilar to any other similar victims in this country, eg. previous protests, thousands of dead in the South, etc.

It was unprecedented at the time and has not been repeated since Yingluck and the red shirt MP's instituted these huge amounts, with nearly all claimants being red shirts.

Edited April 30, 2015 by bornz

[Fat Haggis]

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

After converting these numbers into whatever currency, I would say most of these would be similar to claims made in other countries

The numbers are extremely dissimilar to any other similar victims in this country, eg. previous protests, thousands of dead in the South, etc.

It was unprecedented at the time and has not been repeated since Yingluck and the red shirt MP's instituted these huge amounts, with nearly all claimants being red shirts.

How many yellow shirts do you know participated in the 2010 riots?

Why is it a big surprise that it was redshirts here?

I hope that those injured in the protests last year are treated similarly as in compensation wise.

If they receive e similar figures, what would be the issue?

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

Seriously, you need to take your head out of your butt, if you think that payng compensation to people who were killed by the army is out of order, nurses were killed, journalists....<deleted>

Seriously, you need to stop spinning things. Every time those killed in the protests is brought up, the nurses and journalists are mentioned straight away as if they accounted for the majority of deaths. (Funny however that soldiers usually get no mention.)

The nurses, journalists and soldiers are the ones deserving of sympathy and compensation, but their deaths were in the minority. The vast majority were protesters engaged in an illegal shut down of the city by violent means.

The state doesn't have a right to kill people just because they are breaking the law, and if they acted with undue force, that needs to be looked at, but by the same token, people who engage in illegal activity and get killed, don't have any right to expect compensation. The way the last government handed out money had nothing to do with justice, everything to do with keeping on side a group they were aligned to. Reward money.

Bravo, very well said. Unfortunately this will likely fall on deaf ears.

[rixalex]

If they wanted to reward anyone, why not, in addition to those who weren't there of their own free will, but there as part of their job (nurses etc), reward those who, when advised by the government that their group had been infiltrated by armed people with violent intentions, when advised that what they were doing was illegal, when advised that their safety could not be guaranteed, actually packed up their stuff and went home? Those are the ones, of all the protesters, who deserve a pat on the back, if any of them do. Those who stayed in spite of what they were advised, did so knowing full well that even if they themselves weren't armed, that they were part of a group that was; part of a group that was taking pot shots at soldiers. Align yourself with a group like that and guess what, bad things may happen to you.

You want to start dishing money out to families who have lost loved ones, how about the family who lost their father when he rode into a massive pot-hole in the road at night, came off his motorbike and was run over by a truck? Or the family that were wiped out because of malfunctioning traffic lights that nobody could be bothered to repair in time. Or the son that was electrocuted because of the electrified lamp post that the electricity board had badly wired, Simply hundreds and thousands of families who suffer through no fault of their own whatsoever every year, thanks to easily avoidable negligence by government agencies, and what compensation are they ever offered? Nothing of course, because when things like that happen, it's just a case of misfortune and fate, and the families left behind have to pick up the pieces themselves. No politician is going to turn up at their house offering condolences with a big bumper sized cheque to soften their blow and a camera crew.

[bornz]

The source below details the amount per type of damage. There is no average 1 million compensation/head, it depends of the type of damage. Due to the high number of deads, it probably represents most of the expenses.

http://www.nationmul...s-30182791.html

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

After converting these numbers into whatever currency, I would say most of these would be similar to claims made in other countries

The numbers are extremely dissimilar to any other similar victims in this country, eg. previous protests, thousands of dead in the South, etc.

It was unprecedented at the time and has not been repeated since Yingluck and the red shirt MP's instituted these huge amounts, with nearly all claimants being red shirts.

How many yellow shirts do you know participated in the 2010 riots?

Why is it a big surprise that it was redshirts here?

I hope that those injured in the protests last year are treated similarly as in compensation wise.

If they receive e similar figures, what would be the issue?

as per the article, it involves more than just 2010.

from political violence since 2005-2010.

by that, it should involve hundreds of yellow shirts injured, maimed, and killed and thousands of Southerners.

BUT.... they didn't receive the same compensation.

If they spent these millions of taxpayer baht to cover ALL victims, then there would be much less of an issue.

[SOTIRIOS]

..so much 'consideration'....have any of them even been charged with anything to date.......

[daboyz1]

They were already paid to protest by the man in Dubai. If they got injured or killed in the process, let him compensate them. Seems like a work related injury or death.

[Alwyn]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

this is interesting, so only redshirts received compensation? Total favouritism or were they the worst affected?

Edited April 30, 2015 by Alwyn

[rubl]

maybe when the compensation is paid out to their red shirt supporters it is, rewarding them for all the violence and terrorism they created is a bit much for anyone to stomach.

this is interesting, so only redshirts received compensation? Total favouritism or were they the worst affected?

If (and only if) the red shirts were the worst effected, would that justify ignoring the others?

[Fat Haggis]

What proof is being presented that it was only red shirts who got huge payouts?

For sure if this is the case then it needs to be addressed however if non Reds received compensation it's a pretty weak case. And just another one aimed at clearing the playing fields ?

[rubl]

What proof is being presented that it was only red shirts who got huge payouts?

For sure if this is the case then it needs to be addressed however if non Reds received compensation it's a pretty weak case. And just another one aimed at clearing the playing fields ?

Of course the Yingluck Government kept an administration on the compensation, in the same immaculate details as they kept the RPPS in.

2010 saw mostly red shirts killed, with 17 or so non-red-shirts, 2009 had one red shirt (I think), 2008 less than 10 yellow shirts (again I think). As the topic has

"cabinet of the former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra after it resolved to pay 577 million baht to a total of 524 victims in the first round of remedy to people suffered from political violence since 2005-2010"

Surely someone can come with a list of names and the amount of compensation ?

BTW did we ever get past a first round ?

[rubl]

January - February 2012 we had most discussions on compensation over 2005 - 2010. The Yingluck Cabinet finally approved a 2 billion Baht budget on 2012-03-06.

On 2012-02-15 theNation had

"Compensation will be paid as soon as possible to victims of the recent political conflict who do not face any legal action, according to the head of a government panel dealing with rehabilitation and remedies."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Riot-victims-not-facing-legal-action-to-be-paid-fi-30175902.html

How this fits with the OP of

"pay 577 million baht to a total of 524 victims in the first round of remedy to people suffered from political violence since 2005-2010"

I do not know. Maybe a "mission accomplished" after this first round ?

[ratcatcher]

Congratulations, a serious subject and not one poster has said " Boy, she's really HOT"

Things must be getting better on TVF.

[rubl]

Congratulations, a serious subject and not one poster has said " Boy, she's really HOT"

Things must be getting better on TVF.

I should report you for that

[Fat Haggis]

Congratulations, a serious subject and not one poster has said " Boy, she's really HOT"

Things must be getting better on TVF.

I'd hit it

[ableguy]

Serious questions:

Does the NACC make up the law as they go along?

Why would this type of compensation for victims of protest violence be considered "abuse of power"?

What happened to the Administrative Court decision regarding this fund; a decision that was supposedly imminent in late 2012?

When the current Junta led government gives land to "landless" farmers, is that a similar abuse of power?

When the cabinet in 2012 approved payment to victims of violence in southern Thailand, was that also abuse of power?

When the government approved payments to flood victims after the floods in 2011, was that also abuse of power?

There,s a red in. Your bed ?