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Is Macao a good visa run?

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I don't want to go to Singapore for a visa run. Anyone know a good place to go by plane? I'm thinking Macao? Feedback?

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    Thanks, that answers my question which I also put to you in the other thread you are running. You have a rare 90 day visa that was issued on a TM87 Visa Exempt to Non Immigrant Visa Category 'F" conv

  • If you want a visa you will not get one in Macao. There is no embassy or consulate there. Just going out and back for a new entry It would be same as anywhere else other than the visa and entry requi

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If you want a visa you will not get one in Macao. There is no embassy or consulate there.

Just going out and back for a new entry It would be same as anywhere else other than the visa and entry requirements for there.

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Yup, I just need to leave the country and get a 30 day at Don Muang. Should work right?

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Yup, I just need to leave the country and get a 30 day at Don Muang. Should work right?

It all depends on what is already in your passport.

Back to Back attempts at gaining "visa exempt" entries are actively discouraged.

If you are on 30 day visa exempt entry you can get a 30 day extension at an immigration office for a fee of 1900 baht.

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not back to back. I had to get a tourist visa when I came back from the US after Christmas because the department screwed up my visa, then I got a non-F for three months, then my department wouldn't renew it because they will be giving me a new contract next month and didn't consider that I had become illegal, so I have to get another tourist visa. The thing is I know the visa stuff pretty well, the staff just doesn't give a crap about doing the paperwork

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not back to back. I had to get a tourist visa when I came back from the US after Christmas because the department screwed up my visa, then I got a non-F for three months, then my department wouldn't renew it because they will be giving me a new contract next month and didn't consider that I had become illegal, so I have to get another tourist visa. The thing is I know the visa stuff pretty well, the staff just doesn't give a crap about doing the paperwork

Another "tourist " visa does not equate to a 30 day "visa exempt" entry !

Tourist visas have to be applied for at a Thai Embassy/Consulate smile.png

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I hope this all works out. Tickets to Macau bought. I'm really not sure I am going to accept my contract for next year. This is the fourth straight visa the staff has screwed up. Most prestigious political science department be damned....

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I hope this all works out. Tickets to Macau bought. I'm really not sure I am going to accept my contract for next year. This is the fourth straight visa the staff has screwed up. Most prestigious political science department be damned....

Determining if a contract is to be accepted or rejected is a personal decision similar to accepting personal responsibility for ensuring ones immigration status is legal ! smile.png

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i guess I'm the idiot then

As Ubonjoe said, there is no embassy or consulate in Macau, so you cannot get your visa there.

Don't worry though - you can get a ferry from Macau to Hong Kong for about $160 and it takes about an hour. Then apply for your visa in Hong Kong.

If you want a free ride hop on the (dark blue) Venetian shuttle bus at the airport and get off at the Venetian hotel. Then hop on the free shuttle bus from the Venetian to the ferry terminal.

Personally I prefer HK to Macau, but that's just my preference.

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HI Black Cab. I just need to get a 30 day tourist stamp when I land at Don Meuang. Right? A lot of people have mentioned the lack of embassy but I shouldn't need it. Or am I messing this up?

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HI Black Cab. I just need to get a 30 day tourist stamp when I land at Don Meuang. Right? A lot of people have mentioned the lack of embassy but I shouldn't need it. Or am I messing this up?

There are NO 30 day "tourist" stamps !

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Then what have I always gotten at the airport? What did I get in January when I came back from the US? I am really confused here.

If you arrive from the U.S. with no valid Thai visa in your passport, you'll be given a 30-day visa-exempt stamp at the airport.

Same thing if you arrive from another Asian country by air into Thailand as an American, with no Thai visa... 30 day visa exempt.

The only issue is...if you start doing back to back visa exempts,it may cause a problem with Thai Immigration.

But it sounds from your posts above like your most recent entry into Thailand was via a visa... not visa-exempt. So you shouldn't have any problem arriving now via visa-exempt on the return from Macau.

Just be aware, being in Thailand on visa-exempt status AFAIK is not compatible with being employed here, at least as far as Thai Immigration is concerned. It's meant for tourist visits, just like formal tourist visas are.

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Ahhhhhhhhh gotcha! I need to be careful with the legal terms, and that is great information. Thanks Tall Guy and NZEXPAT!

Then what have I always gotten at the airport? What did I get in January when I came back from the US? I am really confused here.

You would have got a 30 day Visa Exempt Entry if you arrived in Thailand without any valid visa.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the Single Entry 90 day Non Immigrant Category 'F' Visa from?

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Hi Digital

The F visa came from Chaeng Wattana. I went in with B paperwork and they made me change it to F.

Hi Digital

The F visa came from Chaeng Wattana. I went in with B paperwork and they made me change it to F.

Thanks, that answers my question which I also put to you in the other thread you are running.

You have a rare 90 day visa that was issued on a TM87 Visa Exempt to Non Immigrant Visa Category 'F" conversion process that was done at Chaeng Wattana.

To get such a conversion you must have been deemed eligible for an extension of permission to stay I guess under National Police Order 327/2557 Case 2.15.

Presumably the paperwork wasn't suitable for a Case 2.1 Extension (Working in the Kingdom of Thailand), but I am surprised that you were not considered for conversion to a Non Immigrant 'B' Case 2.6 In the case of a teacher, professor, expert or educational personnel in a government educational institution.

Shame is that under 2.6 you would have been eligible to apply for a one year extensions, whereas under 2.15 you have to re-apply to immigration every 90 days.

Seems like you were already in the immigration system; shame it couldn't have been resolved with your admin staff before the 28 April, as it would have saved you some expensive foreign travel plus a massive headache!

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Wow, the department told me the F visa had the longer lifespan than the B visa. I trust you. I really don't know what happened when I got the F visa, it was a big cluster**** at Immigration. All my paperwork was prepared for a B as usual, and the visa officer made the change. Do you know why that would happen?

It would take the intellect of a PhD qualified "teacher" to work that "problem" out ! smile.png

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Man. You make me wish I had dropped out after my second year of college...

Wow, the department told me the F visa had the longer lifespan than the B visa. I trust you. I really don't know what happened when I got the F visa, it was a big cluster**** at Immigration. All my paperwork was prepared for a B as usual, and the visa officer made the change. Do you know why that would happen?

Have never personally experienced or done a TM87 Conversion at CW, doubtless suspect that the paper work was prepared for conversion of your 30 day Visa Exempt to a 90 day Non Immigrant 'B' Visa with a view to you then obtaining a Case 2.6 extension at a later date. You could have then applied for the extension of permission to stay at any time up to 45 days before the 28th April.

No idea as to why the immigration officer pointed you in the 'expert' direction, perhaps it was something in the supporting letter from your department head or admin's paperwork.

Possibly one of the forum's more knowledgeable mods can give you a pointer as to why in the morning.

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Well thanks, that is a lot more information than I had before. Tell you this, living here certainly doesn't make me feel like an expert in anything...

Then what have I always gotten at the airport? What did I get in January when I came back from the US? I am really confused here.

You got a visa exempt entry, good for (up to) 30 days.

It is helpful to those who actually want to assist you to use the correct terminology. Also, it is a kind of defense against the pedantry of weasel-dick sheep buggerers, who happily jump on your mistakes, but offer no help.

They come and go, and some become mods. Listen to Ubonjoe. He is the real deal.

And don't be a wiseass. 'k? thx,bye.

Then what have I always gotten at the airport? What did I get in January when I came back from the US? I am really confused here.

and you are absolutely sure you have a PHD? 555 Sorry, I just could not resist.

I think the poster you replied to was alluding to semantics. You received a Visa waiver/exemption and not a Visa in January. That said, Macau will be busy on the weekends with the plethora of people from Hong Kong.

While you are there you might consider the cultural differences between the East and West. An earlier post mentioned proper observance of Thai culture. You have to be prepared for the underlying reality and not focus on what things look like on the surface. As an example: (and this is only an example) Your Dean could in all likelihood despise you. Unless, you, 1) Never raised you voice while in his company, 2) Always have given the proper Wai when you have seen him, 3) Never acted with any bravado or dominating attitude, 4) and generally have always acted within the parameters of the "expected", there is no way to tell what the Dean or anyone else really thinks about you. Someone of his stature would have to appear to like you in public because that is what is required to act within the bounds of his position. The admin girl is at more liberty to portray her disdain of you because of her lower position.

Try to remember Thais prefer to resolve disagreements with a win/win solution. In this way no-one loses face.

It seems from your posts you are operating on a innocence/ guilt, right/wrong, win/lose cognitive evaluation process.

You need to leave that kind of thinking behind.

To make things simple- (because, realistically you are not going to learn all the complicated maneuverings of the Thai cultural milieu in a few days in Macau), just simply do everything exactly the opposite of the way you would do it in the west!

Someone pulls out in front of you in traffic, don't lose your temper and scold them for causing a potentially dangerous situation, just slow down, relax and let them in. Forget about it- It's the way it is here.

Try to remember- to Thais, ascribed status and achieved status are the same form of currency. That makes your PHD worth slightly less than the position a rich Thai girl has after her rich powerful dady gave her that position- a position of which she would obviously not be qualified- because again, that's the way it is here.

The PHD only got you in the door- your behavior and proper acceptance of cultural values keeps you in the door.

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If it only boils down to a convenient country to exit to and re-enter from then try Hanoi. Qatar have cheap flights about US$188 return and only 1.75 hours each way.

Macau will generally ask to see your return ticket. albeit you can get one way outbound, but need to make arrangements at a special counter and explain your reasons of one way.

makes no difference where you go by air.

If you go to Macau it is only an hour ferry ride to Hong Kong, presumably there is a Thai counsulate there.

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I haven't been trying to be a wise guy (except back at NZ). All my thank yous have been sincere. I am scared and confused. You all seem to see me as some privileged egg head but I actually grew up lower middle class and have worked crap jobs to get through school. I am a hothead though, and I think everyone is right about the problems I have caused for myself. I am trying to learn from Thailand but I am very bad at it.

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