Mass graveyard with Rohinya bodies found near Thai Malaysian border

[ExPratt]

Asia director of Human Rights Watch, Brad Adams, had this to say:

“The finding of a mass grave at a trafficking camp sadly comes as little surprise. The long involvement of Thai officials in trafficking means that an independent investigation with UN involvement is necessary to uncover the truth and hold those responsible to account.”

Trafficking in Thailand has been out of control for some time with the current and previous administrations preventing the UN High Commission for Refugees from properly determining numbers of Rohingya moving through the country.

[Oziex1]

How strange ... another instance of the Keystone cops arriving just after their intended targets have fled...

It's really kind of an art form for Thailand... the hub of late arriving raids.

Arrived Late, or announced their raiding schedule last week.

[lostmebike]

before I comment I wait for the investigation results. After that I have no problem with some serious basing.

`basing`??

Like free-basing maybe? Haven`t done that for years.

[Scott]

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A camp used as a detention centre for 300 people? 33 bodies, and no-one knew? Defies belief.

A lot of people must have known what was going on.

Totally agree.

With all the activities in the south there are obviously large numbers of police, military, and people from various governmental and NGO organizations in the area to seek out and report various types of intelligence information.

It is just not possible nobody knew.

Various senior officials in this area, and in Bkk, should be charged with crimes against humanity.

You can also look at it the opposite way. Surely the government and senior police and senior military officers a serious expectation that the various intelligence agencies are very active and given the insurgency and other untoward activities in the South surely they would be actively identifying and searching areas where insurgents and others might think they are away from prying eyes.

If such surveillance is not happening then some senior heads should roll.

Just beyond belief.

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[dageurreotype]

They must have all been hit by lightning because no Thai (trafficker) could do this...

This meme is so getting tedious. Yawn.

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[dageurreotype]

Human traffickers closely linked to local politician mafia and corrupted Thai Police.

Quick, quick let's find some Burmese or Cambodian scapegoats

Done already. According to other sources.

[dageurreotype]

Here is what I find a little baffling.. There must be hundreds if not thousands of NGO's when you combine Thailand, Myanmar, Lao, and Cambodia.. And I believe that a majority are sent to help the impoverished, especially those who are most at risk of being trafficked so how did this happen without any NGO's knowing? I am sure there must be Intel on where these camps are or usually are.. So why not get a jeep and some body guards and look around? There would be obvious risk but if you are in Thailand or Lao or anywhere in the region the locals or whoever is doing the trafficking would not want to start killing NGO's.. right??? You would think with all the Intel and satellites with super cameras they could target the trafficking camps and then simple send some NGO's in to check it out.. you would not have to go paramilitary or send in a killer drone. .. Just saying..

Absolutely. Where was Alan Morrison?

[dageurreotype]

How strange ... another instance of the Keystone cops arriving just after their intended targets have fled...

It's really kind of an art form for Thailand... the hub of late arriving raids.

Arrived Late, or announced their raiding schedule last week.

This constant derision of the police is boring and ignorant. The army/navy, better?

[dageurreotype]

The reports allege that Thai immigration officials collaborated with the traffickers by transferring Rohingya held in Thailand to the custody of the traffickers. A high-ranking police official confirmed to journalists the existence of the camps and acknowledged an informal policy called “option two,” which relies on smuggling networks to expel Rohingya migrants, including asylum seekers, from Thailand. http://burmatimes.net/thailand-protect-rohingya-boat-children/

The Immigration Department in this country has always been a disorganised mendacious corrupt rabble, a law unto itself. And now it has been given carte blanche to up the ante on their 'take'. Given the increased xenophobia (if that were possible) of those currently at the trough. But more so, given the have Lotsa Guns. They say the Land Department most corrupt? Funny if not so sad.

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[enufsaid]

Oziex1, are you really that naive , NGOs are run off their feet dealing with what's obvious. The jungles of thailand are jungles, not state forests for you to have your Sunday afternoon drive. Some one could live up there all their lives & never found

[EyesWideOpen]

So much for Thailand's dream of getting off of the tier three trafficking level.

Well I guess Thailand should be happy there is not a tier four for trafficking,

or they would surely be on it.

[issanaus]

Human traffickers closely linked to local politician mafia and corrupted Thai Police.

Quick, quick let's find some Burmese or Cambodian scapegoats

Done already. According to other sources.

The Burmese Government (which is still under the control of the Military) has been engaged in a process of ethnic cleansing since 1962 through the enforced deportation of Hindus and Muslims and continual oppression of ethnic minorities. Source: I have seen both and have firsthand accounts from many Burmese friends and relatives.

The legislation that deprived the Rohinya of their right to citizenship was the same legislation that deprived me of mine - I am more fortunate that latest changed gave me the right to a PR on certain conditions. The Rohinya people who were living in Bangladesh (as opposed to those in Burma at the time) came out on the wrong side of the war that separated Bangladesh from Pakistan - they were promised resettlement in other Muslim countries but very little came out of that.

The persecution of the Rohinya was and is both political (the old trick of creating an enemy to "unite" the remainder) and the greed of individuals to take the assets of the Rohinya without any payment. Those that fled to Bangladesh were denied refugee status and were treated nearly as badly as they had been in Burma - many were trafficked by Muslims. These are the group that most commonly held for ransom by traffickers who they believed were going to smuggle them into Malaysia.

Those that fled directly from Burma general fled in small craft that were not seaworthy and bumped along the coast and came into more direct contact with Thai opportunist (both military and civilian) we all know some of those stories many are true AFAIK).

So yes Burmese are responsible from some of the human misery and the Burmese government created the genesis of the suffering.

[dageurreotype]

Justice will prevail, just when is the question.

Hasn't before. The West considers the East, particularly this neck of the woods, in the same way as Kipling did. Not something to be taken seriously. A few words spouted, threats issued, and bugger all else. Too much cheap labour to exploit.

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[arrowsdawdle]

How strange ... another instance of the Keystone cops arriving just after their intended targets have fled...

It's really kind of an art form for Thailand... the hub of late arriving raids.

Arrived Late, or announced their raiding schedule last week.

Less likely that they arrived late than that those responsible were warned early. Happens with IT piracy raids all the time, where a call is received by local CIOs warning them of an impending raid, whereupon a few machines are booted to Linux allowing investigators to look the other way.

[Howitzer]

That is 33 lives that have been lost. 33 sons/daughters, brothers/sisters and/or Fathers and Mothers.

<deleted> people, have some sense of gravitas. They were just people like you and me, seeking a better life. Who knows? There might have been the next Tesla/Einstein/Pascal amongst them.

Show some respect. It is always someone's loss.

Sometimes the callousness of this board smacks me in the face, and I come out with a bloody nose. This really is a tragedy.

What if it was 33 chinese people? You see i don't know why when it somehow involves muslims people instantly say they are persecuted.

[sambum]

That is 33 lives that have been lost. 33 sons/daughters, brothers/sisters and/or Fathers and Mothers.

<deleted> people, have some sense of gravitas. They were just people like you and me, seeking a better life. Who knows? There might have been the next Tesla/Einstein/Pascal amongst them.

Show some respect. It is always someone's loss.

Sometimes the callousness of this board smacks me in the face, and I come out with a bloody nose. This really is a tragedy.

What if it was 33 chinese people? You see i don't know why when it somehow involves muslims people instantly say they are persecuted.

I think you are the only person to have said "muslims" and "persecuted" Mr Paranoid, and if it was 33 Chinese people it would still be the same tragedy.

P.S. I'm not a Muslim lover, either.

[Dibbler]

I find it particularly telling that the official quoted did so anonymously. That rather suggested that he knows who is behind this, and that that individual/group have influence or power.

These relevations, and they are not the first are they, are a foul stain on Thailands reputation and that of its governments, of whatever political persuasion. It must be sorted, immediately, and irrespective of whoevers reputation is harmed, face lost or business hurt. If Thailand is not up to the task then international action (sanctions) are appropriate.

I know this may sound pompous, but if Thailand is to remain anything but an international pariah this must be sorted out. Quickly

Thailand is already considered a Tier 3 country for human trafficking which puts it in the same league as N Korea and Zimbabwe; Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the minimum standards and are not making significant efforts to do so. GoT thought it could be re rated by filing its latest report on time. This discovery suggests it rather deserves to stay on Tier 3 a little longer...

[Cake Monster]

Yet another blood stain on Thailand,s record of human rights abuses.

Is it any wonder that the civilized world looks upon Thailand with disgust over these atrocities. People suffer all over Thailand, and the Authorities do absolutly nothing to stop the suffering of so many innocent people.

Shame on you Thailand.

Its about time the World showed their disgust in the form of sanctions, or is cheap food for the western world that has the final word on these criminal acts.

[maidee]

thainess humanitarian aid

with a twist

[ExPratt]

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Time Thailand was banished from the UN and the other UN members piled on the sanctions. Time to bring Thailand to book for human rights atrocities .... they did it with Saddam and Iraq why not Thailand?

How about bringing Bangladesh into the picture?

They have consistently refused to take them back.

...they were Bangladeshis originally, before starting to move to Burma during the Raj.

Thailand or Malaysia have to obligation towards them afaik.

Bangladeshis are the main nationality of foreign labour in Malaysia. On our project the only way management found out they were illegal was when one of them got killed sadly . Lots of looking the other way and "Cups of Tea" Huge , huge money involved

[techboy]

Human traffickers closely linked to local politician mafia and corrupted Thai Police.

Quick, quick let's find some Burmese or Cambodian scapegoats

Mmm, quite the hard hitting post there. Now what do you actually know to be true?

[ExPratt]

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Human traffickers closely linked to local politician mafia and corrupted Thai Police.
Quick, quick let's find some Burmese or Cambodian scapegoats

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It was alleged by Human rights watch, suggesting the UN investigate.

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[issanaus]

Time Thailand was banished from the UN and the other UN members piled on the sanctions. Time to bring Thailand to book for human rights atrocities .... they did it with Saddam and Iraq why not Thailand?

How about bringing Bangladesh into the picture?

They have consistently refused to take them back.

...they were Bangladeshis originally, before starting to move to Burma during the Raj.

Thailand or Malaysia have to obligation towards them afaik.

Unfortunately it is not that simple or that clear cut

Before Britain invaded Burma the Burmans had invaded Bangladesh and occupied almost to Decca - so at that time all Rohinya were Burmese .... National borders are not constant. History is full of people moving from one country to the next. The question is at what point of time do you draw the line - logically the only point is the present.

Rohinya people are dying in at least 3 countries and at sea - in other words it is an international problem and requires international assistance as well as action by the individual countries (including Thailand). The thread is about the 33 people who died and were buried on the Thai Malaysia border but I think that this is only a small portion of the deaths. 300, maybe 3000 might be a more realistic figure for the tragedy but many more than that at sea, in Bangladesh and in Burma.

If the International community what to avert further loss of life then what is happening in Burma has to stop. What is happening in Bangladesh needs to stop and the international community needs to assist financial. Yes Thailand also needs to do its bit but blaming Thailand for the whole situation is neither helpful or appropriate.

[ExPratt]

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Time Thailand was banished from the UN and the other UN members piled on the sanctions. Time to bring Thailand to book for human rights atrocities .... they did it with Saddam and Iraq why not Thailand?

How about bringing Bangladesh into the picture?

They have consistently refused to take them back.

...they were Bangladeshis originally, before starting to move to Burma during the Raj.

Thailand or Malaysia have to obligation towards them afaik.

Unfortunately it is not that simple or that clear cut

Before Britain invaded Burma the Burmans had invaded Bangladesh and occupied almost to Decca - so at that time all Rohinya were Burmese .... National borders are not constant. History is full of people moving from one country to the next. The question is at what point of time do you draw the line - logically the only point is the present.

Rohinya people are dying in at least 3 countries and at sea - in other words it is an international problem and requires international assistance as well as action by the individual countries (including Thailand). The thread is about the 33 people who died and were buried on the Thai Malaysia border but I think that this is only a small portion of the deaths. 300, maybe 3000 might be a more realistic figure for the tragedy but many more than that at sea, in Bangladesh and in Burma.

If the International community what to avert further loss of life then what is happening in Burma has to stop. What is happening in Bangladesh needs to stop and the international community needs to assist financial. Yes Thailand also needs to do its bit but blaming Thailand for the whole situation is neither helpful or appropriate.

You would have thought that the area of the "Camp" would have been discovered long ago , there has been an insurgency there for years , so is no one patrolling or checking the Jungle for insurgents ?.

I believe Thailand had its part to play in this by allowing the "Market" to operate pretty much with impunity or turning a blind eye

[supaprik]

Time Thailand was banished from the UN and the other UN members piled on the sanctions. Time to bring Thailand to book for human rights atrocities .... they did it with Saddam and Iraq why not Thailand?

No oil, in answer to your question

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Oziex1, are you really that naive , NGOs are run off their feet dealing with what's obvious. The jungles of thailand are jungles, not state forests for you to have your Sunday afternoon drive. Some one could live up there all their lives & never found

There's probably some truth in what you say.

However:

- Professional intelligence people should be able to pick up whispers or whatever which leads to discovery of illegal, immoral, nasty activities. That's their job, that's what they are paid for.

- What about satellite imagery and scanning and regular comparisons of images, all automatic. Thailand has plenty of capability in satellite technology area.

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sack/fire Ban Ki-Moon
it is obvious that a number of UN agencies have failed miserably to do their assigned task in protecting these vulnerable people and it not only here its in Mediterranean too that international slaughter is happening. multiple international failure to preserve human life. get rid of him.

Overall this is the subject area in which the UN has totally and shamefully failed.

In 2015 we still have people being treated like this. It's about time the UN was pushed back to some very core activities such as the case here:

- Millions of people across the world still stateless and with virtually no action whatever by the UN.

- Millions of people across the world still being treated as slaves and with very little substantive action by the UN.

[ExPratt]

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sack/fire Ban Ki-Moon
it is obvious that a number of UN agencies have failed miserably to do their assigned task in protecting these vulnerable people and it not only here its in Mediterranean too that international slaughter is happening. multiple international failure to preserve human life. get rid of him.

Overall this is the subject area in which the UN has totally and shamefully failed.

In 2015 we still have people being treated like this. It's about time the UN was pushed back to some very core activities such as the case here:

- Millions of people across the world still stateless and with virtually no action whatever by the UN.

- Millions of people across the world still being treated as slaves and with very little substantive action by the UN.

What can the UN do if nations ignore them or hide the truth , they cannot put observers in every country and if they do they at the Mercy of what those countries representatives show or tell them.

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sack/fire Ban Ki-Moon
it is obvious that a number of UN agencies have failed miserably to do their assigned task in protecting these vulnerable people and it not only here its in Mediterranean too that international slaughter is happening. multiple international failure to preserve human life. get rid of him.

Overall this is the subject area in which the UN has totally and shamefully failed.

In 2015 we still have people being treated like this. It's about time the UN was pushed back to some very core activities such as the case here:

- Millions of people across the world still stateless and with virtually no action whatever by the UN.

- Millions of people across the world still being treated as slaves and with very little substantive action by the UN.

What can the UN do if nations ignore them or hide the truth , they cannot put observers in every country and if they do they at the Mercy of what those countries representatives show or tell them.

So never mind?