Muirton Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. "They could have found another way to show their displeasure" How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. ...you completely missed the point. It's not whether the students knowingly broke the law by protesting and upset the Junta and "earned whatever punishment is meeted(sic) out to them"... It's that there is a law to stop students peacefully protesting. Understand? Please try to keep up. I do enjoy it when people who miss the point accuse others of missing the point. The Junta are in power because Mr T decided he would MURDER peaceful protestors to cling on to power - not arrest them. The country was heading for civil war. Prayuth is trying to prevent those same people inciting others to resume violent actions and keep the split the population as wide as they can. They are having a hard time doing it because they can't rely on the police to protect them any more and so they are trying to use children to do it. Spontaneous protests by the general public don't happen with red-shirts like they did after the amnesty bill : they only do it if they get free transport and parties. These students are obviously being pushed forward by those same people. If you don't realise that, you must be new to Thailand. They don't want any reforms because they might have to play fair. The Junta will be gone soon and then after the most free and fair elections Thailand has managed to hold (where non-red shirts do not get assassinated while campaigning), these students will be free to peacefully protest against the democratically elected government as much as they please. Do you get it yet ?. We don't have all the Comments in yet on this OP but surely your entry wins the Fascism Is Our Friend award. It dismays one to realize there are falang fascists still in existence in the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand,Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. ...you completely missed the point. It's not whether the students knowingly broke the law by protesting and upset the Junta and "earned whatever punishment is meeted(sic) out to them"... It's that there is a law to stop students peacefully protesting. Understand? Please try to keep up. I do enjoy it when people who miss the point accuse others of missing the point. The Junta are in power because Mr T decided he would MURDER peaceful protestors to cling on to power - not arrest them. The country was heading for civil war. Prayuth is trying to prevent those same people inciting others to resume violent actions and keep the split the population as wide as they can. They are having a hard time doing it because they can't rely on the police to protect them any more and so they are trying to use children to do it. Spontaneous protests by the general public don't happen with red-shirts like they did after the amnesty bill : they only do it if they get free transport and parties. These students are obviously being pushed forward by those same people. If you don't realise that, you must be new to Thailand. They don't want any reforms because they might have to play fair. The Junta will be gone soon and then after the most free and fair elections Thailand has managed to hold (where non-red shirts do not get assassinated while campaigning), these students will be free to peacefully protest against the democratically elected government as much as they please. Do you get it yet ?. What we get from your post are your assumptions and bias, nothing more. Meanwhile, the poster you responded to actually does 'get it' - this is about human rights, where your shared, elitist suckling fantasy doesn't hold up. Your post is about as intelligent as the previous sap who wrote "Get your own house in order first" - a mindlessness you both seem to share. Actually squeegee you dont get and the evidence had been shown for his claims. Non reds were pushed forcebly out of the north and some killed for supporting a different political party. The gov is already searching for the people who set this scenario up using those students. The police and other gov officials have to br very careful and can not do anything illegal now that could be easily tracked back to them. This isnt about human rights anymore. It could not be if these students did this for another party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. Would you care to inform those of us too thick just what other ways might be available to show displeasure with Junta? "They earned whatever punishment" Really? Could get 7 years in slammer for what most of us consider a fundamental right. Of course they knew they were breaking the law. It's called civil disobedience. Was fairly effective in US civil rights movement. Refusing to confront tyranny is condoning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. Would you care to inform those of us too thick just what other ways might be available to show displeasure with Junta? "They earned whatever punishment" Really? Could get 7 years in slammer for what most of us consider a fundamental right. Of course they knew they were breaking the law. It's called civil disobedience. Was fairly effective in US civil rights movement. Refusing to confront tyranny is condoning it.What tyranny? The only thing stopped is public assembly and elections and those are postponed until the corruption which is ingrained into every office is rooted out. This country needed it desperately. Or have you forgotten the bribes you had to pay at checkpoints and the at gov offices to get something done. Or habe you forgotten that during YLs time her party forced closures in singers and paid off people to vote and support them. Or maybe you forgot about the billions of baht missing from caused or allowed by the highest officials in the previous gov. Or perhaps all that is unimportant to you or it didnt affect you and you want to say mai pan rai and forget all the people who suffered daily at the hands of those officials they voted for and trusted. It isnt reasonable to want people to wait. Besides, it is more than likely those kids were coerced to do this. No care for human rights Just someone with money and power trying to put a kink in the chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. ...you completely missed the point. It's not whether the students knowingly broke the law by protesting and upset the Junta and "earned whatever punishment is meeted(sic) out to them"... It's that there is a law to stop students peacefully protesting. Understand? Please try to keep up. I do enjoy it when people who miss the point accuse others of missing the point. The Junta are in power because Mr T decided he would MURDER peaceful protestors to cling on to power - not arrest them. The country was heading for civil war. Prayuth is trying to prevent those same people inciting others to resume violent actions and keep the split the population as wide as they can. They are having a hard time doing it because they can't rely on the police to protect them any more and so they are trying to use children to do it. Spontaneous protests by the general public don't happen with red-shirts like they did after the amnesty bill : they only do it if they get free transport and parties. These students are obviously being pushed forward by those same people. If you don't realise that, you must be new to Thailand. They don't want any reforms because they might have to play fair. The Junta will be gone soon and then after the most free and fair elections Thailand has managed to hold (where non-red shirts do not get assassinated while campaigning), these students will be free to peacefully protest against the democratically elected government as much as they please. Do you get it yet ?. When you say Thailand will soon hold the " most free and fair elections " are you saying voters living the north east of the country (whose numbers far exceed those in Bangkok) will be be able able to come away from such election feeling totally satisfied their votes will have been properly considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 The EU can do more for these students - award them fully paid scholarships to the level of doctorates in the top universities in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Shall we now have a heated exchange discussing whether or not the EU is hypocritical in making these comments. Or is it OK for Europe to say the same type of things America just said - resulting in much US bashing, despite the validity of the comments. Yep, how far back into history will this debate go, how about back to the Roman empire. Bloody Romans what did they ever do for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Time for another letter from the FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUTHERNSTAR Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. Read todays article by Atiya in the Bangkok Post and you will see how wrong you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaunduhpostman Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Good to hear it from someone besides John Kerry, and yes I suppose it is pretty easy to say the EU and the US have problems with human rights, democracy too, but sure, why not say it anyway, because it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Meanwhile the Junta continues its efforts to gather global support for its membership in the UN Human Rights Counsel. There seems to be a serious lack of sanity in the Prayut leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Shall we now have a heated exchange discussing whether or not the EU is hypocritical in making these comments. Or is it OK for Europe to say the same type of things America just said - resulting in much US bashing, despite the validity of the comments. Yep, how far back into history will this debate go, how about back to the Roman empire. Bloody Romans what did they ever do for anyone. I was referencing a current thread. And the Romans gave us sanitation, medicine, education wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh water systems, and public health. Edited June 30, 2015 by canuckamuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. Come on, who made these laws? Are you holier than the pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 How about that Assagne guy who must hide in an embassy in the EU, just because the USA wants him? How about the Snowden guy who can't come to Germany because they would send him to USA immediately and the even forced a presidents machine down to search for him......Making Russias biggest PR show since ever.... How about freedom and justice in Thailand? Deflect and blame others for the same indiscretions is easily identified. You are blind to the here and now. Give us a real defense for the end of freedom and not some rehashed garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 How about that Assagne guy who must hide in an embassy in the EU, just because the USA wants him? How about the Snowden guy who can't come to Germany because they would send him to USA immediately and the even forced a presidents machine down to search for him......Making Russias biggest PR show since ever.... Assange is wanted for sexual assault in Sweden. Snowden is wanted for illegally revealing classified information. These students have been arrested for peaceful protest. Do you understand the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. ...you completely missed the point. It's not whether the students knowingly broke the law by protesting and upset the Junta and "earned whatever punishment is meeted(sic) out to them"... It's that there is a law to stop students peacefully protesting. Understand? Please try to keep up. I do enjoy it when people who miss the point accuse others of missing the point. The Junta are in power because Mr T decided he would MURDER peaceful protestors to cling on to power - not arrest them. The country was heading for civil war. Prayuth is trying to prevent those same people inciting others to resume violent actions and keep the split the population as wide as they can. They are having a hard time doing it because they can't rely on the police to protect them any more and so they are trying to use children to do it. Spontaneous protests by the general public don't happen with red-shirts like they did after the amnesty bill : they only do it if they get free transport and parties. These students are obviously being pushed forward by those same people. If you don't realise that, you must be new to Thailand. They don't want any reforms because they might have to play fair. The Junta will be gone soon and then after the most free and fair elections Thailand has managed to hold (where non-red shirts do not get assassinated while campaigning), these students will be free to peacefully protest against the democratically elected government as much as they please. Do you get it yet ?. "The Junta are in power because Mr T decided he would MURDER peaceful protestors to cling on to power - not arrest them." "These students are obviously being pushed forward by those same people." "The Junta will be gone soon" Evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Shall we now have a heated exchange discussing whether or not the EU is hypocritical in making these comments. Or is it OK for Europe to say the same type of things America just said - resulting in much US bashing, despite the validity of the comments. Yep, how far back into history will this debate go, how about back to the Roman empire. Bloody Romans what did they ever do for anyone. I was referencing a current thread. And the Romans gave us sanitation, medicine, education wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh water systems, and public health. Yes I know what you were referencing and I was referencing an irreverent comedy group from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. ...you completely missed the point. It's not whether the students knowingly broke the law by protesting and upset the Junta and "earned whatever punishment is meeted(sic) out to them"... It's that there is a law to stop students peacefully protesting. Understand? Please try to keep up. I do enjoy it when people who miss the point accuse others of missing the point. The Junta are in power because Mr T decided he would MURDER peaceful protestors to cling on to power - not arrest them. The country was heading for civil war. Prayuth is trying to prevent those same people inciting others to resume violent actions and keep the split the population as wide as they can. They are having a hard time doing it because they can't rely on the police to protect them any more and so they are trying to use children to do it. Spontaneous protests by the general public don't happen with red-shirts like they did after the amnesty bill : they only do it if they get free transport and parties. These students are obviously being pushed forward by those same people. If you don't realise that, you must be new to Thailand. They don't want any reforms because they might have to play fair. The Junta will be gone soon and then after the most free and fair elections Thailand has managed to hold (where non-red shirts do not get assassinated while campaigning), these students will be free to peacefully protest against the democratically elected government as much as they please. Do you get it yet ?. So your claim is yellow supporters do things spontaneously, independently and without being paid but all red supporters dont do anything without being told, organised and paid ? You talk a total load of absolute rubbish. I know your a shill but really do you have to make it that obvious ? Neither the US or the EU are missing anything, its clearly you that is missing any decent moral code or youd not be cheering on and excusing arresting these students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dear Thailand, Remember last week you questioned why the US put Thailand alongside countries experiencing the most significant human rights setback? This is why. Oh please!!!Those kids went there with full knowledge they would be breaking the current laws. Whether they agree with them or not they earned whatever punishment is meeted out to them. They could have found another way to show their displeasure with the junta without breaking any laws. And NO! I am not a junta lover or hater. Yes, quite right. They could write to their Member of Parliament... oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Can someone silence Students, Kim Kardashian and all other non producers who bore us working folk daily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Seems reasonable. What is the Juntas' response ? A forthcoming statement will explain that Thai justice is different and that these students are the masterminds of all the human trafficking, so please remove Thailand from the blacklist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Seems reasonable. What is the Juntas' response ? A forthcoming statement will explain that Thai justice is different and that these students are the masterminds of all the human trafficking, so please remove Thailand from the blacklist. He who shall be obeyed has already made a statement: Interim Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha said he did not have to clarify the issue with the EU and that Thais must be under the Thai law. "I have to thank the students and other agencies, which are not these 14 students. There are a lot of other good students. Wherever I go, they would come to praise me," he told reporters. "But these (arrested) students only wanted democracy and election." How dare they! http://www.seattlepi.com/news/world/article/UN-rights-office-urges-Thailand-to-free-14-6357257.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Shall we now have a heated exchange discussing whether or not the EU is hypocritical in making these comments. Or is it OK for Europe to say the same type of things America just said - resulting in much US bashing, despite the validity of the comments. Yep, how far back into history will this debate go, how about back to the Roman empire. Bloody Romans what did they ever do for anyone. I was referencing a current thread. And the Romans gave us sanitation, medicine, education wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh water systems, and public health. Don't forget Peace, Reg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas2 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 "EU condemns arrest of 14 students in Thailand".Ok, let me rephrase the above statement and try to take a litte bit of heat and excitement out of some of the conversations here.What about this? "Some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (I assume) advise/teach/blame some other unelected bureaucrats in Bangkok".I'm always surprised, how many people rush to support or defense the one or the other party of these hypocritical, shameless taxeaters, who are prepared to resort to any violence (this includes economic sanctions btw.) at any time. Taxeaters who don't know any of us and give a crap about what we, the people, really think, how we feel or in what economical situation we are, be it here or there.The only people who you should support or who can support you if you need it, are family, friends and neighbours - Never the ruthless, money wasting muppets in any capital. The only thing they can do, is to make your life more difficult or even miserable (if you don't do or pay as they say in their respective gang land).So watch/enjoy the sarcastical show as what it finally is: A sad soap opera with the team "evil unelected guys" vs the team "bad unelected guys", where you can emotionally choose your side - They don't care about your oppinion either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Can someone silence Students, Kim Kardashian and all other non producers who bore us working folk daily Can you stop boring us with questions like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 "EU condemns arrest of 14 students in Thailand". Ok, let me rephrase the above statement and try to take a litte bit of heat and excitement out of some of the conversations here. What about this? "Some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (I assume) advise/teach/blame some other unelected bureaucrats in Bangkok". I'm always surprised, how many people rush to support or defense the one or the other party of these hypocritical, shameless taxeaters, who are prepared to resort to any violence (this includes economic sanctions btw.) at any time. Taxeaters who don't know any of us and give a crap about what we, the people, really think, how we feel or in what economical situation we are, be it here or there. The only people who you should support or who can support you if you need it, are family, friends and neighbours - Never the ruthless, money wasting muppets in any capital. The only thing they can do, is to make your life more difficult or even miserable (if you don't do or pay as they say in their respective gang land). So watch/enjoy the sarcastical show as what it finally is: A sad soap opera with the team "evil unelected guys" vs the team "bad unelected guys", where you can emotionally choose your side - They don't care about your oppinion either way. No time to reinvent the wheel pal, we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrysum Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 They need to put their own house in order before they criticise others. Guess I'd have to agree with that statement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Shall we now have a heated exchange discussing whether or not the EU is hypocritical in making these comments. Or is it OK for Europe to say the same type of things America just said - resulting in much US bashing, despite the validity of the comments. Yep, how far back into history will this debate go, how about back to the Roman empire. Bloody Romans what did they ever do for anyone. I was referencing a current thread. And the Romans gave us sanitation, medicine, education wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh water systems, and public health. Don't forget Peace, Reg. awwrg, peace...psshh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 One corrupt body slagging off another, what ever next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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