Does Melatonin really work for you as a sleep aid?

[faraday]

Even though you say you're aware of the dangers of Benzos, I would urge you to be very careful with them.

Many have long half lives of 200 or 300 hours, which mean that you most probably have some left in your system all the time.

They are nasty to 'come off' should you become addicted to them, which happens all too easily.

You say that your son's birth hasn't caused this....really? And then you say using your laptop alot also hasn't caused this....really?

I think that both things have contributed very much to the sleeping issues.

Stress builds up inside us quite unnoticed sometimes, & then the effects seem to 'suddenly' appear.

You could try something like Olanzapine - which is an anti-psychotic. 10mg will knock you out, & give you a hangover too.

Lastly, try telling yourself that you will sleep when you try......

Edited July 4, 2015 by faraday

[ryanhull]

Melatonin did seem to work for me, however had a similar effect although probably not as severe by the sound of it – – just felt a little lethargic the next day.

Boots sell it and it goes by the name of "Circadin 2mg" and would be worth a try IMO.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, however what has come through in a few of your posts is the attitude that "I know what I should do, but can't be bothered/too hot/don't like it/whatever".

The best sleep I have ever had was when I was actively playing a sport, so perhaps some exercise would be good for you in an air-conditioned gym or similar, or even at home. Being on the computer or similar device before retiring is a "no-no" for many people and as others have said, cutting back on alcohol, coffee, chocolate and the like can also help.

I was once in the situation like you and tried transcendental meditation, and it worked to a certain extent, in clearing my mind and helped me to relax. There was another technique I learned and it was most useful in as much as when one is laying in bed (on one's back), one focuses the thoughts on relaxing the muscles on top of the head and subconsciously repeats the word "relax", then move to the forehead and do the same, then the cheeks, then the chin, then the chest and all the way down to the bottom of your body and before you have reached your feet, you could well be asleep. Spend about 20 seconds on each part of the body.

I have also heard good things about Cognitive Behavioural Therapy which will actually help you get to the reason why sleep is/has become so difficult so that you can deal with it.

I had a friend in the same situation as you and he was working as executive chef on luxury launches for many famous people and he continued with his habit of taking benzodiazepines to help him sleep and did it for over five years. When he came back to normal life, he couldn't stop and became an absolute mess and had to go through a detox type program to wean him off of the things, and he said it was most distressing.

Good luck and keep trying the suggestions that folks are giving you without having to resort to benzo's or similar.

I think you are reading me wrong, but sorry if I came accross that way in my posts... I am merely here to ask for advice from others who have tried it... I do not mean to come across like you are saying I do yet you must understand after see`ing many docs etc it kind of gets annoying when you cannot sleep and people tell you to do things like meditate etc (although good advise for some), anyway not intended and the advise I get here on topics as massively appreciated.

Ryan, I've had the same problem as you for many, many years. Been thru all the specialists, including a physciatrist., bottom line ciratrist said, just keep taking your ambien. Thanks doc.

Anyway, to answer your question about melatonin. I've tried it, first 3mg, then 6mg and up to 9mg and has never done anything for me. My big problem is "getting" to sleep. If and when I do, it only last 2-2 1/2 hours. I have been getting melatonin from the states, Puritan Pride, very cheap. Others have said it's expensive here in Thailand. Try it for 10 days and see what happens.

Thanks, what are you doing to combat your sleeping issue?

Even though you say you're aware of the dangers of Benzos, I would urge you to be very careful with them.

Many have long half lives of 200 or 300 hours, which mean that you most probably have some left in your system all the time.

They are nasty to 'come off' should you become addicted to them, which happens all too easily.

You say that your son's birth hasn't caused this....really? And then you say using your laptop alot also hasn't caused this....really?

I think that both things have contributed very much to the sleeping issues.

Stress builds up inside us quite unnoticed sometimes, & then the effects seem to 'suddenly' appear.

You could try something like Olanzapine - which is an anti-psychotic. 10mg will knock you out, & give you a hangover too.

Lastly, try telling yourself that you will sleep when you try......

Thanks, after this set of benzo`s is gone which I am taking very sparingly I will revert back to this post and try out some of the suggestions... I am quite familur with benzo`s as I have gone through two cold turkeys off them in the past and it was not nice at all... yet I find with the clonzapams they last 2-3 days so you don't get the hard hit when you come off them like you do with xanax or valiums... they keep you feeling quite sleeping for a good few days which is good in some ways.

not too sure I like the idea of taking an anti-psychotic though... the reason I say my sons birth hasn't caused this is because I have been suffering with insomnia before he was born and really he sleeps like an angel most nights. Laptop for sure contributes to it however I have to sometimes do bits on my laptop and I enjoy using the internet so without it I think I would be very bored!

Over all my next steps are going to be back in the gym, melatonin and eating properly going to bed at a more sane hour. If I am still struggling I will try out some of the other drugs/methods you guys have mentioned.

Again appreciated for the advise cheers all

[Benjie]

I am similar and regularly don't get to sleep early because of Stress, Caffeine and just staying up too late on the computer.

I use Melatonin sometimes and it really helps to get to sleep, but not Melatonin on it's own - The Schiff(?) brand has a variety of melatonin formulas that combine things like Valerian Root and Theanine etc... I order from iHerb. Need to take it about 90 minutes before you go to bed and one of the side effects is 'vivid dreams', I don't normally remember dreams but often do when I've taken melatonin, thats it.

[flossiebear]

I know this may sound crazy but the more attention one gives to something the bigger it gets. I know that melatonin can help with sleep, and it is easy for those of us who can sleep to say just may less attention to it. It is a bit like someone telling you not to think about pink elephants, and then you can think of nothing else. Not sure how long insomnia has been part of your life but it seems that your natural sleep rhythm has gone haywire so getting it back is not easy. Give melatonin a try, definitely better than the benzos as you so rightly say they are problematic longer term. Melatonin should not be taken longer than 13 weeks or if you have liver, kidney or autoimmune problems. It is usually only prescribed for the over 55 but I know it has been used with younger people with good effect. It may help in getting your body back into a sleep rythm.

[Patsycat]

I may sound old fashioned but i find listening to some of those Sleep Enhancing music things on You Tube help me.

They relax you and eventually you do get to sleep. Bells and waterfalls are nice. You actually have to really relax and try and get any stressful thoughts out of your head. Which is difficult, but after a time you can do it.

and the comments are cute - "night night from Sao Paolo" Sleep tight from San Fransisco etc!!

And my own - "Bonne nuit depuis Genève"!! Reading the comments sort of make me feel that i am not alone in my insommnia and that others are going through the same <deleted> as me every night.

Edited July 4, 2015 by Patsycat

[VIPinthailand]

stop these shit drugs.

stop to drink coffee and coke all day.

stop the soda and Fat food.

take cold shower when you feel sleepy and go to bed.

[Sheryl]

...You could try something like Olanzapine - which is an anti-psychotic. 10mg will knock you out, & give you a hangover too.

Olanzapine is a serious psychortropic med with serious side effects and should never be self-prescribed, let alone for purpose of sleep. It is also a restricted drug in Thailand requiring a prescription.

[coulson]

Go and see a health care professional who atually knows how to advise you properly-dont expect good, free counsel in here.

Old proverb:

If you want something good, for nothing, that is exactly what you will get

Don't expect good free counsel from people who have possibly suffered and overcome the same issue?

Why not?

[coulson]

stop these shit drugs.

stop to drink coffee and coke all day.

stop the soda and Fat food.

take cold shower when you feel sleepy and go to bed.

Cold shower wakes you up, warm shower before bed increases your body temperature therefore assists the rate of natural cooling which is associated with sleeping.

I also met a guy who drank whiskey in the morning and had a coffee before bed, what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone else.

[coulson]

I have huge problems sleeping.

Melatonin I have used recently, I find 3mg has an effect within 30 minutes, but it is a physical effect only and if I don't try and sleep within that window I will remain awake. I find it is more associated with promoting a deep sleep than actually getting you to sleep so taking it in isolation may not work for you, and when you do eventually sleep you wont be able to wake up easily so there is a downside. Also I am not sure as Melatonin is a hormone the body releases to assist the process, I am not sure taking it orally has the same effect. Eating a small portion of rice is said to release this hormone naturally.

Benzo's I would say stay away from, the temptation is too easy I know, I used them for a couple years before I relaized what I was doing. It got to the point where I was almost taking them for the buzz rather than the benefit of nodding off, I enjoyed the tranquil sensation and started taking 1mg zanax maybe 9pm to be ready for sleep at 11pm. I alternated between Diazepam & Clonezapam also. The problem is then, if you have a few beers on the weekend you can enter into dangerous territory. I stopped taking them som etime ago, although it took a while to ween off the results are by far much better. These drugs put your mind in a relaxed state to make the sleeping process easier, they do not however improve the quality of your sleep. On the contrary, some benzo's even casue side effects of mild depression & insomnia so they really arent doing you any good. Not to mention the other long term dangers associated with various drugs in this family - Demenzia, mood swings, dizziness, fatigue & ED to name a few. They are bad news and there is no other advice you could be given than stop taking them unless advised accordingly by a medical professional.

As far as other advice to sleeping habits, each to their own. No one person has the same pattern, I cannot nap for example and it bugs me, if i need an extra 20-30 shut eye I can forget it until that evening. Some people nod off at a whim and I am envious. Physical restlessness can be countered with diet and exercise, however a restless mind is a totally different animal. Refraining from mental stimulants such as using a phone, working, playing games etc are one thing, avoiding any arguments or making sure there is nothing on your mind off the back of the day you had is another. Generally people who respond to benzo's have stuff on their mind, and that is the problem.

Optimizing your physical state and mental state in the evening to be ready for sleep at the same time can be tricky.

What generally works for me, but may not work for you:

I avoid exercise after 7pm, I try do any post work routines immediately after work, if not first thing in the morning, while exercise improves your likelihood of getting a good nights sleep, leave it too late and I am too full of adrenaline to close my eyes.

I don't sleep on an empty stomach, but do not eat a full meal too late in the evening, I find going ot bed hungry keeps me thinking I should have eaten more.

I try and use the hour before sleep to wind down, stop using the phone (very difficult) maybe watch some tv, do some stretching or attempt dome form of meditation (I rarely do, depsite training in Vipassana and it has never harmed my chances of sleep) and turn down the lights.

Go for a long walk in the evening, clears the mind and a light form of exercise.

Take a hot shower, helps the body's cooling down process.

You have a wife/ gf.......light evening yoga perhaps, whatever you want to call it.

Avoid alcohol if possible, unless you plan on getting wasted, it will not at all assist your nodding off and the quality of sleep is much poorer. A glass of wine helps some, never really worked for me. No alcohol is better than some.

Low volume music as a background noise, never hurts.

Don't drink coffee beyond the morning.

When you wake up in the morning, get up if it is a reasonable hour, the risk of nodding off and being woken shortly by an alarm during REM sleep has a negative effect and takes a longer time to shake off.

If you cannot sleep, don't stay in your room, get up and wear yourself out, your mind associates the bedroom as a place you hang out in as opposed to sleep in if you spend many waking hours there. I personally find I have cycles, I may feel sleepy for a 30 minutes period, if I psuh through it I will feel awake for another 2 hours, trying to capitalize when your body tells you its time to rest is also important. Given that there are times you often doze off watching telly or whatever, you're effectively trying to reproduce that sensation when you go to bed, there is an element of trickery involved.

I would also say for me going to sleep is something I have to really commit to, try some breathing exercises with your eyes closed, google some sleeping tricks, and avoid thinking about stuff when possible. Shutting out the mind is usually the best way, finding a way to do what the benzo's do naturally, it is possible but of course easier to just pop a pill.

I cannot yet say I now get a good nights sleep every day, but those restless nights I just write off and usually make up for it. Everybody is different, but certainly learning about what keeps you awake on those days you cant sleep is something you can document. Ive been told numerous times to try this or that and I never really committed until it was affecting my work. Having suffered with this a long time I can personally say what has helped me the most was reducing booze intake and stopping with the little blue pills. 8 hours sleep in a altered state of mind is the same as 5 hours in a normal.

I did a sleep lab in Bangkok some time ago, it was interesting. I was reassured I had a relatively mild Apnea index, and my behavior while asleep was normal. It was an interesting report, although the requirement for a sleep lab is no coffee/ alcohol for 24 hours before and it is a controlled & relaxed environment. Under the circumstances, I had the best nights sleep in the lab in as far as I can remember and I am convinced the alcohol/ caffeine restriction did it.

Hope this helps

[skippybangkok]

Have a good wank

[ryanhull]

@coulson thanks for the advise appreciated.... agreed with the drinking, sometimes when I have been out on the beer I'll wake up and feel like I literally haven't slept, out of interest what difference did you find between Diazepam & Clonezapam? having tried both from the doctor, the Clonezapam seems to hit me hard for a good 3 days, its kind of a good thing becuase I can take a small amount and get 3-4 good nights sleep where as the Valium or Xanax gives me one nights sleep and I am up wired the next day, anyway cheers

Have a good wank

You sir are a legend

[coulson]

Clonezapam I found pretty mild, but the quality of generic diazepam was so bad (which is another worry) its difficult to compare. It does however have a longer half life and that may effect your sloggy mornings. It is used medically sometimes for symptoms of withdrawal from alcohol, and as a slow release muscle relaxant.........so along with the other recreational uses I was developing with these benzo's, I realized neither were doing anything at all for my sleeping and it was more about the buzz I got while I was awake.

When I had the option I always preferred zanax, alternating 1mg to .5mg the next day to nothing the third day.....to keep my tolerance low.....but again you just end up climbing the walls in an inconsistent pattern and that's no different to how I sleep without meds. These pills just made me eliminate the horrible hours I was spending awake in bed, sort of fooled into thinking I was getting sleep, but the reality is the quality of REM is reduced and the morning after residual effects are as bad as not having slept as much. Zanax is a bit of an oxymoron in itself, it is used for anxiety disorders however the withdrawal period seems to amplify the original symptoms and can even cause a temporary depression. For anyone with any form of pre existing chemical imbalance the incorrect use is serious. Not to forget the relatively low tolerance levels leading to increased dosage.

The effects of taking these inhibitors or beta blockers in the long term does not warrant the use if benefits are limited to sleep alone, there have to be serious psychological reasons too. These things are just bad news, I can now understand why pharmacies used to get pretty irate with me when I asked for them.

[ryanhull]

Clonezapam I found pretty mild, but the quality of generic diazepam was so bad (which is another worry) its difficult to compare. It does however have a longer half life and that may effect your sloggy mornings. It is used medically sometimes for symptoms of withdrawal from alcohol, and as a slow release muscle relaxant.........so along with the other recreational uses I was developing with these benzo's, I realized neither were doing anything at all for my sleeping and it was more about the buzz I got while I was awake.

When I had the option I always preferred zanax, alternating 1mg to .5mg the next day to nothing the third day.....to keep my tolerance low.....but again you just end up climbing the walls in an inconsistent pattern and that's no different to how I sleep without meds. These pills just made me eliminate the horrible hours I was spending awake in bed, sort of fooled into thinking I was getting sleep, but the reality is the quality of REM is reduced and the morning after residual effects are as bad as not having slept as much. Zanax is a bit of an oxymoron in itself, it is used for anxiety disorders however the withdrawal period seems to amplify the original symptoms and can even cause a temporary depression. For anyone with any form of pre existing chemical imbalance the incorrect use is serious. Not to forget the relatively low tolerance levels leading to increased dosage.

The effects of taking these inhibitors or beta blockers in the long term does not warrant the use if benefits are limited to sleep alone, there have to be serious psychological reasons too. These things are just bad news, I can now understand why pharmacies used to get pretty irate with me when I asked for them.

Thanks for the reply, I must say I find Clonezapam much stronger than xanax/vallium by far... sure it does not hit you hard like xanax but it seems much stronger when it does set in.... fully agree with you on your points, few years back I got quite friendly with Xanax as a friend gave me one on a bad hangover and it went from there... that was back when you could just buy them OTC... anyway I came off them and went through the cold turkey and it was hellish but I did it, so that said I know exactly what your saying. Also back then I did notice I was becoming short tempered with certain people, I am usually very chilled with a long fuse so that told me to knock them on the head. But really I only take any benzo`s to get me to sleep not to get a buzz etc as I know a few mates do, infact I know a few guys who take xanax before going out on the beer... very dangerous indeed but they seem to love it....

The way I see it with benzo`s is to take advantage of the drug not let it take advantage of you if that makes sense... for example, if you have insomnia and you havent slept for days on end, do 0.5mg or whatever and get some sleep, then leave them until the next time you are suffering badly with sleep, or if your on a long haul flight etc....

Although the doc has recently given me quite a big batch of Clonezapams I have only taken 0.5mg on the first day and I must say I had a really good sleep and woke up feeling great, but I am not touching them again until I cannot sleep for say more than 48 hours... hoping to taper off them going right down to say 0.25mg even less if possible, then I am going to try some of the methods listed by you guys plus hoping to get back in the gym over the next week.

All in all, I think people abuse benzo`s and up the dose to cling onto a 'buzz', which really is when things become dangerous grounds as with any drugs, benzo`s in not so many ways is medical opium/heroin and I think some people forget that.

My view onit is, use as a last resort and take the lowest dose possible to get you to sleep.... also abuse the drug don't let it abuse you, and as I have been through the 'cold turkey' in the past on benzo`s its given me more of an understanding of the drug.... chronic insomnia isn't fun, and I think insomnia to some is different to insomnia for others.

Cheers

[coulson]

Just out of curiosity, what is the doctors dosage for clonezapam and is it just sleep disorder he is treating?

[ryanhull]

Just out of curiosity, what is the doctors dosage for clonezapam and is it just sleep disorder he is treating?

In my case yes for insomnia... but I know its also used for panic attacks and what not.. my dosage was 1mg a 2 hours before bed I believe although I only do 0.5mg when I am really struggling to sleep, (i.e over 24 hours awake) cheers

[chubby]

do they have sleep studys in thailand? here they are everywhere now and quite trendy, there is supposed to be 2 kinds, falling asleep and staying asleep, sounds like you have only the 1st one ? any pills in the long term, probably as much harm as good, seniors have more sleep issues, you could try all the other stuff, sleep hygeine, etc, assume that maybe you have ? who knows if melatonin works, whatever one would say like all supplements is just anectodal, if you want to read up on research, try pubmed.org

[coulson]

do they have sleep studys in thailand? here they are everywhere now and quite trendy, there is supposed to be 2 kinds, falling asleep and staying asleep, sounds like you have only the 1st one ? any pills in the long term, probably as much harm as good, seniors have more sleep issues, you could try all the other stuff, sleep hygeine, etc, assume that maybe you have ? who knows if melatonin works, whatever one would say like all supplements is just anectodal, if you want to read up on research, try pubmed.org

Yes, a sleep lab in Bangkok International is about 15-17k baht.

[luk AJ]

I know how big your problem is, I face the same. I think I tried everything to avoid Benzo's but unfortunately found no alternative. I take 10mg of melatonin 30 min before sleep and 0.5mg alprazolam when I go to bed. If I dont take the melatonin I need 1 mg Alprazolam. I have to take every evening maybe not healthy but +35 h without sleep is also not healthy.

[ryanhull]

know how big your problem is, I face the same. I think I tried everything to avoid Benzo's but unfortunately found no alternative. I take 10mg of melatonin 30 min before sleep and 0.5mg alprazolam when I go to bed. If I dont take the melatonin I need 1 mg Alprazolam. I have to take every evening maybe not healthy but +35 h without sleep is also not healthy.

Ouch, everyday for how long? I would say go for something with a longer life than xanax, like clonezapams... if you say everyday after a month or so the affect will start to not do anything... anyway you sound similar to me, hope things improve for you

[luk AJ]

know how big your problem is, I face the same. I think I tried everything to avoid Benzo's but unfortunately found no alternative. I take 10mg of melatonin 30 min before sleep and 0.5mg alprazolam when I go to bed. If I dont take the melatonin I need 1 mg Alprazolam. I have to take every evening maybe not healthy but +35 h without sleep is also not healthy.

Ouch, everyday for how long? I would say go for something with a longer life than xanax, like clonezapams... if you say everyday after a month or so the affect will start to not do anything... anyway you sound similar to me, hope things improve for you

I take Alprazolam for at least 5 years, never increased dose and it still does the trick. I have no side effects ( better ask my wife) I sleep good, no bad dreams and always wake up without alarm clock. I don't smoke and I quit drinking alcohol long time ago. It's just like my natural sleeping-switch is broken. No tablet means no sleep.

[ryanhull]

I take Alprazolam for at least 5 years, never increased dose and it still does the trick. I have no side effects ( better ask my wife) I sleep good, no bad dreams and always wake up without alarm clock. I don't smoke and I quit drinking alcohol long time ago. It's just like my natural sleeping-switch is broken. No tablet means no sleep.

Although I completely understand you as I have been through it and still am,... 5 years is along time to be taking such a drug daily... for example if you attempted not to take it for 2 weeks you would go through very nasty withdrawals which are apparently worse than heroin withdrawals and can even lead to death... but then again, I am the same needing to rely on benzo`s ONLY when my insomnia is bad. I wouldn't recommend them daily though for such a long time.

Your doc must think you have panic attacks or something to prescribe you with xanax for 5 years straight? because for sleeping issues most doctors would not prescribe for such a long period of time.

Cheers

[skippybangkok]

Have a good wank

You sir are a legend

Finally - recognition !

Jokes aside, most of us are not exert sleep dr's , and as such can only share views and experiences

Is ur issue physical or other

When i had a very painful knee op, it was heavy pain for about 4 weeks. Only thing which helped was heavy sleeping meds. It was not easy to ween myself off them. The longer you take, i believe the less effective they will be

My significantly old parents have a great and simple way to assess their health - they measure it by how many pills they need to take, and adjust lifestyle to keep it to a min. My mother was recently told she was border line diabetic, and is adjusting her diet to stay away from medicine

So - in summary "have a wank" is really just saying try to address the underlying issues naturally through lifestyle changes rather than to this or that tablet.

Good luck and sweet dreams !

[ryanhull]

skippybangkok... back soon just got to clean my keyboard...

[skippybangkok]

skippybangkok... back soon just got to clean my keyboard...

Time to buy one of these

[muskoka]

Yes, but it makes me a sleepy as shit the next day

Melatonin did seem to work for me, however had a similar effect although probably not as severe by the sound of it – – just felt a little lethargic the next day.

Boots sell it and it goes by the name of "Circadin 2mg" and would be worth a try IMO.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, however what has come through in a few of your posts is the attitude that "I know what I should do, but can't be bothered/too hot/don't like it/whatever".

The best sleep I have ever had was when I was actively playing a sport, so perhaps some exercise would be good for you in an air-conditioned gym or similar, or even at home. Being on the computer or similar device before retiring is a "no-no" for many people and as others have said, cutting back on alcohol, coffee, chocolate and the like can also help.

I was once in the situation like you and tried transcendental meditation, and it worked to a certain extent, in clearing my mind and helped me to relax. There was another technique I learned and it was most useful in as much as when one is laying in bed (on one's back), one focuses the thoughts on relaxing the muscles on top of the head and subconsciously repeats the word "relax", then move to the forehead and do the same, then the cheeks, then the chin, then the chest and all the way down to the bottom of your body and before you have reached your feet, you could well be asleep. Spend about 20 seconds on each part of the body.

I have also heard good things about Cognitive Behavioural Therapy which will actually help you get to the reason why sleep is/has become so difficult so that you can deal with it.

I had a friend in the same situation as you and he was working as executive chef on luxury launches for many famous people and he continued with his habit of taking benzodiazepines to help him sleep and did it for over five years. When he came back to normal life, he couldn't stop and became an absolute mess and had to go through a detox type program to wean him off of the things, and he said it was most distressing.

Good luck and keep trying the suggestions that folks are giving you without having to resort to benzo's or similar.

I am heading down to the Chiang Mai Boots drugstore right now after reading this

Poor sleep is a symptom that plagues millions of men and women. The melatonin signal forms part of the system that regulates the wake-sleep cycle by chemically causing drowsiness and lowering body temperature. Human melatonin production decreases as a person ages. In humans, 90% of melatonin is cleared in a single pass through the liver. This is why those who use melatonin supplements to improve the length and depth of sleep may not find success, as over-the-counter melatonin supplements create a rapid blood spike that is rapidly washed out. Using a compounded, slow release version with a higher dose (3 - 20 mg) may be a better option that will create a more sustained blood melatonin level. A prolonged release prescription version of melatonin called "Circadin" has been approved in Europe for patients over age 55 for the treatment of insomnia. http://www.naturalnews.com/038942_antioxidants_melatonin_disease_prevention.html

and pick up some Circadin if they have it.

More articles here http://www.naturalnews.com/melatonin.html

Doug

[muskoka]

I picked up a box of 15, a bit pricy @ 630 baht, 1,260B for a month if taken daily. I don't remember having a problem with plain ordinary melatonin in the past so will likely look for a cheaper source in time and experiment. Website http://www.circadin.com/

Doug

EDIT: the pharmacist said to take 3 hours before going to bed???

Edited July 7, 2015 by muskoka

[mickjn]

Have a good wank

Worked for me until Maae caught me.15 years later the matter still arises when she is angry

[mickjn]

I hope you are not being worried about Benzo addiction and that is what is keeping you awake.

[muskoka]

Because of the high price of Circadin and the fact I never needed time release melatonin in the past I just placed an order with iherb (my first). The only company I am familiar with for consistant high quality is Thorne, so I ordered 60 caps of 3mg for $12.65 http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Melaton-3-60-Veggie-Caps/18750 - plus I am out of the only vision product for macular degeneration due to age (I am 67) that has worked well for me in the past, I also ordered 1btl of Advanced Orthomolecular Research AOR, Classic Series, Vision Support II, 60 Softgels

an excellent product for those interested. It is also excellent for eye strain as I spend many hours a day on the computer. I have used it for years with excellent results.

Doug