US condemns Thailand for Uighur deportation

[phoenixdoglover]

I've got no defense for the US holding prisoners indefinitely in Guantanamo, and certainly no defense for the use of torture by anybody.

However, the US continues to be a country that admits a lot of refugees.

Refugees are separately classified from those who immigrate normally, and those who enter illegally.

Over the last 10 years, the US has admitted about 60,000 refugees per year, the majority from Asia.

How many refugees does Thailand admit each year?

they are doing better than america per capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population

I should have been more precise in my language, and you should have looked at the direct sources of information, rather than relying on a wikipedia table.

First, lets distinguish between refugees who are displaced (have moved from their home country to another country), and those refugees that are accepted for settlement (refugees that are allowed permanent status in their new host country).

With this critical distinction in mind, let's look at the US vs Thailand.

The wikipedia table relies entirely on the UNHCR and links to the 2011 report. According to the reference:

"During the year, a total of 79,800 refugees were admitted by 22 resettlement countries, including the United States of America (51,500),(18) Canada (12,900), Australia (9,200), Sweden (1,900), and Norway (1,300). Overall, this was almost 20,000 people less than in 2010 (98,800). The United States of America and Canada together admitted four-fifths of all resettled refugees in 2011."

Note that Thailand does not appear as a country that permits refugees to resettle.

In fact, the UNHCR Report says,

"The largest number of refugees resettled with UNHCR’s assistance departed from Nepal (18,100), Thailand (9,600), Malaysia (8,400), the Syrian Arab Republic (4,700), and Turkey (4,400). These five UNHCR offices combined accounted for 7 out of every 10 resettlement departure assisted by the organization in 2011."

Not only does Thailand not accept refugees for resettlement, but they do their best to send them elsewhere.

In Thailand the refugee situation is dominated by the Rohingya, who are only permitted on a temporary basis in Thailand.

In the US, refugees are accepted and resettled from numerous other countries.

Here is what UNHCR says about Thailand:

"Thailand is not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 Protocol and does not have a formal national asylum framework. "

[ableguy]

Why would Thailand want Muslims flooding in from any country on the planet, just look at the South? Look at the rest of the world where these nut cases revel in blood and death for some unbelievable religious ideology, and for me that includes all the major religions, the only difference I don't read about the various branches of Christianity willing to behead people because they think different . Time to face reality not listen to politically correct bullshit.

[AYJAYDEE]

Why would Thailand want Muslims flooding in from any country on the planet, just look at the South? Look at the rest of the world where these nut cases revel in blood and death for some unbelievable religious ideology, and for me that includes all the major religions, the only difference I don't read about the various branches of Christianity willing to behead people because they think different . Time to face reality not listen to politically correct bullshit.

so indonesia and malaysia revel in blood and death?

[Shawn0001]

Since when Thailand has become everyone's dumping ground for Muslim extremists?

It hasn't, what are you talking about? This thread is about some refugees who had escaped religious persecution being sent back to their persecutors. You are the only one who has brought an extreme way of thought to the table.

No......if you get persecuted for your skin color I am the first to help, but they choose their religion themself. If they decide to have an invisible friend who makes rules that brakes the law than this is their own problem.

And funny enough countries that have the same religion also don't want to save them, why is that? Why from Malaysia to Saudi Arabia no one want them? Because they are trouble maker.

You're not getting this prejudice thing, are you? It has nothing to do with skin color, it has to do with generalization. There are over 15 million Uyghurs in the world, most of them in China. There have been some terrorist attacks committed by Uyghurs, but these individuals number in the tens or perhaps hundreds but certainly not in millions, personally that does not make me want to persecute all 15 million of them, but clearly you feel differently and you use not being prejudices against skin color as some sort of evidence that you are not bigoted, well that's not very convincing.

By the way, the reason many countries do not want to accept any Uyghurs, is not because of the few extremists amongst them, it is because if they accept any then they open the way for a potential exodus of 15 million people.

[Shawn0001]

The U.S and Turkey condemn Thailand back for sending Uighur back to China. Are they criminals who want to escape China justice. The prisons in America especially in California have a 75 percent of inmates are Mexican law breakers coming to America to sell drugs and join Mexican gangs. Thailand has enough trouble right know without the Uighur people. If they have no crimes on there record China will set them free and i hope they help the innocent!

No, they are a people who have found themselves living within the expanded borders of modern day China, just like Tibet, they are persecuted by the Han Chinese. Are you also suspicious of the many Tibetan refugees who have been leaving since the Mao expansion or is just the Muslims?

The 75% statistic that you half remembered is the percentage of the total illegal immigrants caught in California who are Mexican, nothing to do with prison populations. California's prisons are 38% Latino, 12.7% are illegal immigrants, 52% of all Latinos in California prisons are there for violent crime and 21% for drug offenses.

As for your last comment, you really do not get the refugee thing, it's not about ascertaining whether they are guilty of crimes and if they are not then assuming they will be safe where they fled from, it about respecting the Geneva Conventions and providing safety for persecuted people. Why did we not just send the Jews back to Germany? They were not criminals so Hitler would of set them free, right? Your ideas are half baked to say the least. Did you even stop to wonder just why it might be that they felt the need to leave?

[AYJAYDEE]

The U.S and Turkey condemn Thailand back for sending Uighur back to China. Are they criminals who want to escape China justice. The prisons in America especially in California have a 75 percent of inmates are Mexican law breakers coming to America to sell drugs and join Mexican gangs. Thailand has enough trouble right know without the Uighur people. If they have no crimes on there record China will set them free and i hope they help the innocent!

No, they are a people who have found themselves living within the expanded borders of modern day China, just like Tibet, they are persecuted by the Han Chinese. Are you also suspicious of the many Tibetan refugees who have been leaving since the Mao expansion or is just the Muslims?

The 75% statistic that you half remembered is the percentage of the total illegal immigrants caught in California who are Mexican, nothing to do with prison populations. California's prisons are 38% Latino, 12.7% are illegal immigrants, 52% of all Latinos in California prisons are there for violent crime and 21% for drug offenses.

As for your last comment, you really do not get the refugee thing, it's not about ascertaining whether they are guilty of crimes and if they are not then assuming they will be safe where they fled from, it about respecting the Geneva Conventions and providing safety for persecuted people. Why did we not just send the Jews back to Germany? They were not criminals so Hitler would of set them free, right? Your ideas are half baked to say the least. Did you even stop to wonder just why it might be that they felt the need to leave?

pssst, america and canada DID refuse entry to jews

[JimGant]

it about respecting the Geneva Conventions and providing safety for persecuted people.

As has been said, Thailand is not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 Protocol and does not have a formal national asylum framework. But, they do seem to pick and choose certain refugee groups, weighing their potential threat (or lack thereof). Certain Burmese ethnicities come to mind.

By the way, the reason many countries do not want to accept any Uyghurs, is not because of the few extremists amongst them, it is because if they accept any then they open the way for a potential exodus of 15 million people

Well, there you have it. Give absolutely no encouragement for asylum, and the potential for opening the floodgates. Reality trumps sentimentality. Yeah, Thailand will continue to catch grief on this decision. But I know the large majority of Thais support this decision. They're the quiet ones, however, as there's nothing louder than an offended human rights idealist.

[tifino]

Missus just found, on a [thai language] site, the Chinese had demanded the return of the immigrants, and they promptly executed most of them on Arrival.

Someone in Thailand is now not very popular for knowingly sending peoples back to a certain death

[phoenixdoglover]

Missus just found, on a [thai language] site, the Chinese had demanded the return of the immigrants, and they promptly executed most of them on Arrival.

Someone in Thailand is now not very popular for knowingly sending peoples back to a certain death

I'm skeptical of this report. There is no indication of this in the international media. It would be reported very widely if true.

[spidermike007]

This is all about the Uyghur people being able to tell the world about the abuse heaped upon them by the Chinese government. They are heinous. These are NOT terrorists. They have a real grievance. So far there have only been a few incidents and China has put these down with an iron fist. The Chinese do not want the bad PR. It is all about saving face. Thailand should not have sent them back. That was WEAK!

[spidermike007]

Missus just found, on a [thai language] site, the Chinese had demanded the return of the immigrants, and they promptly executed most of them on Arrival.

Someone in Thailand is now not very popular for knowingly sending peoples back to a certain death

I'm skeptical of this report. There is no indication of this in the international media. It would be reported very widely if true.

Not surprising. This is the basic Chinese MO. They are a tyrant state.