Lite Beer Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 China: Uighurs deported from Thailand wanted to join jihad BEIJING (AP) — China's official news agency said that 109 ethnic Uighurs who Thailand deported to China amid international criticism that the refugees could face persecution had been on their way to Turkey, Syria or Iraq to help wage holy war.On Thursday, Thai authorities sent back the Uighurs, who had been in Thailand for over a year and claimed to be Turkish, after determining they were Chinese. The repatriations were criticized by the U.N. refugee agency as "a flagrant violation of international law." Rights groups expressed fears that they could face torture. In Turkey's capital, Istanbul, protesters ransacked the Thai consulate to denounce the decision.China's official Xinhua News Agency said late Saturday that the 109 illegal immigrants had been on their way "to join jihad," and that 13 of them had fled China after being implicated in terrorist activities. Another two had escaped detention, Xinhua said, citing the Ministry of Public Security.Xinhua's report also claimed that a Chinese police investigation had uncovered several gangs recruiting people for jihad, and that Turkish diplomats in some Southeast Asian countries had facilitated the illegal movement of people.The Uighurs (pronounced WEE-gurs) are a Turkic-speaking Muslim minority in China's far western region of Xinjiang. The group has complained of harsh cultural and religious suppression as well as economic marginalization under Chinese rule.Beijing has accused Uighur separatists of terrorism in Xinjiang, where ethnic violence has left hundreds of people dead.Many of the 109 had been radicalized by materials released by the World Uyghur Congress and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, Xinhua said. The former is a Munich-based Uighur rights group, and China has designated the latter a terrorist organization.In response to the report, Dilxat Raxit, World Uyghur Congress spokesman, said Sunday: "China is defending itself and shirking responsibility for Uighurs fleeing because of its policy of suppression. The so-called radicals are those who hope to flee China and live a stable and dignified life in a safe and free country."Meanwhile, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying on Saturday voiced China's "strong dissatisfaction with and opposition to" remarks by the U.S. State Department that it was deeply concerned about the protection of asylum-seekers in Thailand because of the case. -- (c) Associated Press 2015-07-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Doubtful that IS-recruited jihadists would spend over a year in Thailand if their goal was to fight in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Does it seem the same to anyone else reading these News Items that..... (1) Wherever there is a problem spot in the world....The word Jihad is used. (2) Wherever there is a problem spot in the world....The words Human rights are used. Why arent these so called refugees, making a stand for their country, instead of running to another country, where they usually are not really welcome. Every free country they run to, had to stand up and make it that way...They should do the same, whatever their religion.... We all worked, fought, and struggled together in our countries, to make it better...Just to see it given away to someone, because they say they are hard done by.... Human rights are interfering too much.....but this is my opinion....right or wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 China's official news agency said... well, OK then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 So why didn't the Thais say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 "China's official news agency said that 109 ethnic Uighurs who Thailand deported to China amid international criticism that the refugees could face persecution had been on their way to Turkey, Syria or Iraq to help wage holy war." Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 So why didn't the Thais say this? Because it's not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuibeachcomber Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Why should they? They have lived that way of life for centuries. It is the Chinese state that is forcing them to change their way of life. The Uighur culture is being eradicated by the Chinese state, the people are persecuted for trying to maintain it and are being economically marginalised. Now if I recall correctly I often read posts complaining that Muslims expect everyone to change to suit their needs. Generally BS but there you go. Yet here we have a case where an Islamic culture is being destroyed and suddenly it's ok to force change on a way of life centuries old. Strange days indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchurch259 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well, It is a long walk if you do not have funding and if some is feeding, housing and caring for you for free, why leave for a certain death !! Doubtful that IS-recruited jihadists would spend over a year in Thailand if their goal was to fight in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amerasianex Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Now if that is truly the reason for their deportation. Ist the best and only way to handle it. Unless of course they were imprisoned in thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) This might be true, but it will be a cold day in hell before I'd believe anything China says. One person's terrorist is another's revolutionary solider against Chinese oppression. Edited July 12, 2015 by oneday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 That's what I would have said, too! With the growing paranoia and the constant fearmongering against Muslims, this is the easiest way out of any argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 China's official Xinhua News Agency said late Saturday that the 109 illegal immigrants had been on their way "to join jihad," If that be the case, China should say good riddance and be glad they left instead of trying to get them back. In fact they should deny them reentry into China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb17 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Why should they? They have lived that way of life for centuries. It is the Chinese state that is forcing them to change their way of life. The Uighur culture is being eradicated by the Chinese state, the people are persecuted for trying to maintain it and are being economically marginalised. Now if I recall correctly I often read posts complaining that Muslims expect everyone to change to suit their needs. Generally BS but there you go. Yet here we have a case where an Islamic culture is being destroyed and suddenly it's ok to force change on a way of life centuries old. Strange days indeed. Unfortunately the more extreme Muslims are demanding that they will only live by laws handed down by the sky fairy. They will not live by man made laws.. So I agree with the original post- practice your religion quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb17 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Why should they? They have lived that way of life for centuries. It is the Chinese state that is forcing them to change their way of life. The Uighur culture is being eradicated by the Chinese state, the people are persecuted for trying to maintain it and are being economically marginalised. Now if I recall correctly I often read posts complaining that Muslims expect everyone to change to suit their needs. Generally BS but there you go. Yet here we have a case where an Islamic culture is being destroyed and suddenly it's ok to force change on a way of life centuries old. Strange days indeed. Unfortunately the more extreme Muslims are demanding that they will only live by laws handed down by the sky fairy. They will not live by man made laws.. So I agree with the original post- practice your religion quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 So why did the Chinese want these so called Jihadist back?... Seems like a better plan is to let the Jihadist go to Syria where they would most likely be killed?... Problem solved from the Chinese perspective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuibeachcomber Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Why should they? They have lived that way of life for centuries. It is the Chinese state that is forcing them to change their way of life. The Uighur culture is being eradicated by the Chinese state, the people are persecuted for trying to maintain it and are being economically marginalised. Now if I recall correctly I often read posts complaining that Muslims expect everyone to change to suit their needs. Generally BS but there you go. Yet here we have a case where an Islamic culture is being destroyed and suddenly it's ok to force change on a way of life centuries old. Strange days indeed. If this is the case then yes it is very sad.The chinese have never shown any tolerance to other religions,and maybe the uigars are now coming onto the radar because of whats going on around the world regarding muslims. No good going to thailand,they respect no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 So why did the Chinese want these so called Jihadist back?... Seems like a better plan is to let the Jihadist go to Syria where they would most likely be killed?... Problem solved from the Chinese perspective... Maybe they would come back trained a little better in killing innocent people....nip it in the bud before it happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Why should they? They have lived that way of life for centuries. It is the Chinese state that is forcing them to change their way of life. The Uighur culture is being eradicated by the Chinese state, the people are persecuted for trying to maintain it and are being economically marginalised. Now if I recall correctly I often read posts complaining that Muslims expect everyone to change to suit their needs. Generally BS but there you go. Yet here we have a case where an Islamic culture is being destroyed and suddenly it's ok to force change on a way of life centuries old. Strange days indeed. Unfortunately the more extreme Muslims are demanding that they will only live by laws handed down by the sky fairy. They will not live by man made laws..So I agree with the original post- practice your religion quietly. Really? What is so extreme about wanting to maintain a way of life centuries old? Why should those who have lived in a place for centuries have to change their way of life because it doesn't suit the authoritarian dictatorship that passes for govt in China? Do you feel the same about Tibet? Do you feel the same about Christian communities in China or the Middle East? Not that it would make you right but you would at least be consistent. Edited July 12, 2015 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So why did the Chinese want these so called Jihadist back?... Seems like a better plan is to let the Jihadist go to Syria where they would most likely be killed?... Problem solved from the Chinese perspective...Maybe they would come back trained a little better in killing innocent people....nip it in the bud before it happens? They were refugees fleeing persecution who were offered sanctuary in turkey. This is just china trying to justify the retribution about to take place for fleeing persecution. Edited July 12, 2015 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtaw Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Xi Jinping is one seriously ugly, pathetic-at-lying coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldiablo Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) If China's official news agency reported it, than it must be true Edited July 12, 2015 by ldiablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny S Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 So why didn't the Thais say this? China came up with that lie first and are now passing it on to their "little-brother" Land of Scapegoats ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 wonder how long it will take for ISIS to gather in western china?and russia too.Neither of these countries will tolerant them and will be merciless in their eradication...i cant wait for this to happen. I have no doubt the uigars are persecuted in western china and did flee to thailand.If they are muslims and are under the chinese spotlight they could very easily solve the problem by quietly going about practicing their religion behind closed doors inside each others houses.This way they can remain true to their beliefs without pissing on everybody else. Why should they?They have lived that way of life for centuries. It is the Chinese state that is forcing them to change their way of life. The Uighur culture is being eradicated by the Chinese state, the people are persecuted for trying to maintain it and are being economically marginalised. Now if I recall correctly I often read posts complaining that Muslims expect everyone to change to suit their needs. Generally BS but there you go. Yet here we have a case where an Islamic culture is being destroyed and suddenly it's ok to force change on a way of life centuries old. Strange days indeed. Unfortunately the more extreme Muslims are demanding that they will only live by laws handed down by the sky fairy. They will not live by man made laws..So I agree with the original post- practice your religion quietly. Really? What is so extreme about wanting to maintain a way of life centuries old?Why should those who have lived in a place for centuries have to change their way of life because it doesn't suit the authoritarian dictatorship that passes for govt in China? Do you feel the same about Tibet? Do you feel the same about Christian communities in China or the Middle East? Not that it would make you right but you would at least be consistent. Exactly. It seems like that the Chinese authorities are trying to justify persecuting the refugees after (according to Thai authorities) promising to treat them well as a part of Thailand sending them to China. BTW I don't doubt that the refugees wanted to go to Turkey which is where they should have gone in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Notorious for lying....... And I am sure all the kids went to Syria too to fight the infidels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 there is no smoke without fire.... When you know Turkish is the main gate to ISIS controlled area......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon4546543 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) I don't know that much about the Chinese persecution of Uigurs. I do know of reports of Uigurs burning alive some Chinese Han in the same province by using the tyre necklace method. I do know that the Uigurs have periodically gone to other provinces where groups have gone on rampages, murdering civilians. One such event took place at a Chinese train station in which dozens were murdered. I do know that over one hundred of the Uigurs illegally entered Thailand, claimed to be Turkish and wanted to be sent to Turkey. To me it seems the Thais did the sensible thing and sent them back to China. Edited July 12, 2015 by metisdead Font. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 there is no smoke without fire.... When you know Turkish is the main gate to ISIS controlled area......... Except there is no smoke except what China is trying to blow up everyones ass with this BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) I don't know that much about the Chinese persecution of Uigurs. I do know of reports of Uigurs burning alive some Chinese Han in the same province by using the tyre necklace method. I do know that the Uigurs have periodically gone to other provinces where groups have gone on rampages, murdering civilians. One such event took place at a Chinese train station in which dozens were murdered. I do know that over one hundred of the Uigurs illegally entered Thailand, claimed to be Turkish and wanted to be sent to Turkey. To me it seems the Thais did the sensible thing and sent them back to China. Sending these refugees to China was the wrong thing to do. To find out why read up on the persecution of the Uighurs and the ongoing destruction of their culture by the Chinese state. Terrorist actions are always wrong and so is what the govt of China is doing in the Uighur's homeland. Edited July 12, 2015 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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