sirocco Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult. And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much? And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how? And when we say "I nic France," is how much.? They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. . How much is it all Blah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all. Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult. And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much? And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how? And when we say "I nic France," is how much.? They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. . How much is it all Blah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all. Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news. In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both. Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 lèse majesté ????? not know this word in France "Thank you for this moment" Well.... The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe. In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000 In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security" The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ). In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004. In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life. In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison. Just FYI, you may check out this page! http://www.dumblaws.com/ There are laws, and there are laws that are followed! France, Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany have not enforced these laws in a really looooooooooooong time! You know why? Because they have grown up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult. And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much? And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how? And when we say "I nic France," is how much.? They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. . How much is it all Blah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all. Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news. In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both. Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both. I could tell you, what I really think of you, but like to keep my posting rights! Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them! Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 lèse majesté ????? not know this word in France "Thank you for this moment" Well.... The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe. In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000 In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security" The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ). In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004. In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life. In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison. Just FYI, you may check out this page! http://www.dumblaws.com/ There are laws, and there are laws that are followed! France, Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany have not enforced these laws in a really looooooooooooong time! You know why? Because they have grown up! you have a narrow view of what is happening in Europe ensuring steady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult. And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much? And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how? And when we say "I nic France," is how much.? They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. . How much is it all Blah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all. Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news. In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both. Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both. I could tell you, what I really think of you, but like to keep my posting rights! Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them! Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite! There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult. And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much? And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how? And when we say "I nic France," is how much.? They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. . How much is it all Blah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all. Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news. In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both. Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both. I could tell you, what I really think of you, but like to keep my posting rights! Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them! Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite! There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag Okay! Let's make some flip=flops and some underwear with the Thai- flag! As long as we don't burn it, right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Okay! Let's make some flip=flops and some underwear with the Thai- flag! As long as we don't burn it, right?! You can make what you want with your underwear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 lèse majesté ????? not know this word in France "Thank you for this moment" Well.... The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe. In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000 In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security" The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ). In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004. In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life. In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison. Do you have examples of any of these nations arresting and imprisoning people on a count of these laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 lèse majesté ????? not know this word in France "Thank you for this moment" Well.... The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe. In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000 In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security" The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ). In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004. In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life. In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison. Do you have examples of any of these nations arresting and imprisoning people on a count of these laws? Read the post Netherland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Read the post Netherland After some research the sentences dished out were a week imprisonment and 400 Euro fine. Very silly but in no way comparable to Thailand where you can spend up to 15 years in jail and the law is used and abused so much. It is an archaic law and has no place in modern societies anywhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Read the post Netherland After some research the sentences dished out were a week imprisonment and 400 Euro fine. Very silly but in no way comparable to Thailand where you can spend up to 15 years in jail and the law is used and abused so much. It is an archaic law and has no place in modern societies anywhere in the world. It is better than North KOREA On 30 April 2015, North Korean Minister of Defense Hyon Yong Chol was reportedly executed on charges of lèse-majesté Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 maybe, if this was still 1942, an Axis-Dictated Vichy French Govt might have had receptive ears, but their oldtime nazi-bedmates have long gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Read the post Netherland After some research the sentences dished out were a week imprisonment and 400 Euro fine. Very silly but in no way comparable to Thailand where you can spend up to 15 years in jail and the law is used and abused so much. It is an archaic law and has no place in modern societies anywhere in the world. It is better than North KOREA On 30 April 2015, North Korean Minister of Defense Hyon Yong Chol was reportedly executed on charges of lèse-majesté Undoubtedly, but if there were a ranking system for this Thailand would probably be 2nd. Locking people up for a thought crime or opinion is just not on in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 "I dare you to distinguish between a prostitute and a naked socialite,” - Dominique Strauss- Kahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPiPuPePo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them! Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite! There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag His point was that you never see the Thai flag on underwear, swimwear, etc., while you do see the Stars and Stripes or Union Jack. It does seem hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPiPuPePo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Read the post Netherland After some research the sentences dished out were a week imprisonment and 400 Euro fine. Very silly but in no way comparable to Thailand where you can spend up to 15 years in jail and the law is used and abused so much. It is an archaic law and has no place in modern societies anywhere in the world. It is better than North KOREA On 30 April 2015, North Korean Minister of Defense Hyon Yong Chol was reportedly executed on charges of lèse-majesté Do you actually think that having to use North Korea as a point of comparison is a positive thing for Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Security offences concerning the Monarchy? That seems highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult. And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much? And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how? And when we say "I nic France," is how much.? They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. . How much is it all Blah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all. Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news. In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both. Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both. I could tell you, what I really think of you, but like to keep my posting rights! Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them! Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite! There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag Not when it comes to respect for a foreign head of state or a country, there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Read the post Netherland After some research the sentences dished out were a week imprisonment and 400 Euro fine. Very silly but in no way comparable to Thailand where you can spend up to 15 years in jail and the law is used and abused so much. It is an archaic law and has no place in modern societies anywhere in the world. It is better than North KOREA On 30 April 2015, North Korean Minister of Defense Hyon Yong Chol was reportedly executed on charges of lèse-majesté Not exactly a gleaming justification is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammygood Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 hope the embassador explained that since 1789, such offences cannot be handed down to the people of france anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them! Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite! There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag His point was that you never see the Thai flag on underwear, swimwear, etc., while you do see the Stars and Stripes or Union Jack. It does seem hypocritical. I guess, he understood my point full well. But he can not make a point against it, so he is trying to divert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 This must be what the Thai government means when it talks about "extradition requests". Knowing that a real extradition request would not work, they substitute a vague letter handed to an envoy instead. Unless of course on the back of the letter happened to be plans to blockade the Michelin plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirocco Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 dm7 sorry, but there is no problem wearing clothes representing our respective flags. It means that we love and respect our country. What is outrageous, it is foreigners who burn our flag, foreigners who spit on our flag, foreigners who wipe their ass with shit our flag, as often happens in France. And in France, we tend to hide this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 dm7 sorry, but there is no problem wearing clothes representing our respective flags. It means that we love and respect our country. What is outrageous, it is foreigners who burn our flag, foreigners who spit on our flag, foreigners who wipe their ass with shit our flag, as often happens in France. And in France, we tend to hide this stuff. Again: go to MBK and check out, which flags are printed on Bikinis, underwear, flip- flops, hot pants... And then: look which one for sure isn't printed on any of these things and which will cause a major outrage if it was! There was a company, that tried to print the Thai- flag on panties...ooooooooh, the outrage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirocco Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Ah! good, in Thailandit is prohibited to wear clothing resembling the thai flag. I did not know. Currently I have my nails varnished in blue, white, red, so it is a lèse majesté offense. Fortunately, these are also the colors of France. Phew, I escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 dm7 sorry, but there is no problem wearing clothes representing our respective flags. It means that we love and respect our country. What is outrageous, it is foreigners who burn our flag, foreigners who spit on our flag, foreigners who wipe their ass with shit our flag, as often happens in France. And in France, we tend to hide this stuff. Again: go to MBK and check out, which flags are printed on Bikinis, underwear, flip- flops, hot pants... And then: look which one for sure isn't printed on any of these things and which will cause a major outrage if it was! There was a company, that tried to print the Thai- flag on panties...ooooooooh, the outrage! Like other red shirts you don't understand the sense of the law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Now if you think France is really country of Freedom and free speech...... Yesterday 300 persons have been arrested in all Paris follow a forbidden but peaceful protest against Holland and is government (That you recall anything ?) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xzk4x_paris-20-contestataires-arrete-lors-du-defile-militaire-du-14-juillet_news The french authority claim "This demonstration has not been declared and therefore is considered illegal" https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fflash-actu%2F2015%2F07%2F14%2F97001-20150714FILWWW00208-300-manifestants-pour-un-coup-d-etat-interpelles-a-paris.php&edit-text=&act=url Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 hope the ambassador explained that since 1789, such offences cannot be handed down to the people of france anymore Well The revision of the penal code in 1832 has removed the mention lese majeste in France Explanation : After Louis XVI France has have 3 kings who reign, 2 of the House of Bourbons (like Louis XVI) and the last one House of Orleans : - Louis XVIII 8 July 1815 – 16 September 1824 ; - Charles X 16 September 1824 –2 August 1830 ; - Louis-Philippe Ier 9 August 1830 –24 February 1848. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 dm7 sorry, but there is no problem wearing clothes representing our respective flags. It means that we love and respect our country. What is outrageous, it is foreigners who burn our flag, foreigners who spit on our flag, foreigners who wipe their ass with shit our flag, as often happens in France. And in France, we tend to hide this stuff. Again: go to MBK and check out, which flags are printed on Bikinis, underwear, flip- flops, hot pants... And then: look which one for sure isn't printed on any of these things and which will cause a major outrage if it was! There was a company, that tried to print the Thai- flag on panties...ooooooooh, the outrage! Like other red shirts you don't understand the sense of the law... ...aaaaahhh...the ever so popular "you are not on my side, you are a red-shirt"- defense! A little reminder: "There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag " " Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both." Your quotes, your laws, your stupidity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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