Manager helps me with fake degree and WP

[melvinmelvin]

Weird really. Some weird threads on TV but this one must be well into the upper quartile I reckon.

The OP seems to be insisting on pushing forward with fake degrees developed in LoS and working without a work permit.

If there is one thing LoS is not in need of it is yet another farang that openly and determined violates Thai laws, not one law, but several.

I actually find this totally surreal.

And to top it off, the OP discusses his criminal acts so far as well as his in the near future planned acts openly on a more or less (mostly more) open/public forum,

where alle entries are really open to the whole world through www search engines.

Have some difficulties fathoming this.

Well, you will hear a lot before the ears fall off, as we say up north.

[HLover]

Wooden shoes and a wooden skull for the OP, what a fool.

[DP25]

This is starting to look like a complete troll thread-

I think so too, including the guy posting about the 99 year ban he got, both people registered their accounts today

[lostinisaan]

Most parts of the post removed, member sent to an island with three very good looking virgins.He won't be back, there's no internet and Google.

Edited July 20, 2015 by lostinisaan

[lostinisaan]

Wooden shoes and a wooden skull for the OP, what a fool.

Yep. On each train is one. ( At least one...)

Edited July 20, 2015 by lostinisaan

[melvinmelvin]

Wooden shoes and a wooden skull for the OP, what a fool.

Maybe all this wood will assist the OP in not sinking should he go down the drain.

[Happy Grumpy]

I would rather teach without a WP and Non-B visa than submit fake documents to the ministry of whatever to try to get a whatever.

Didn't think teachers really got in trouble for teaching without a WP. In ten yrs here I only know one guy that was shopped into the local dept of immigration by a disgrunteled ex for teaching on a Tourist Visa and he was fined 500b and let go immediately.

[Tj872729]

No troll thread. I made an account today yes after reading his post. I wanted to tell him about my experience and try and guide the bloke. Don't want him making the same mistake I did. I read threads alot but have never posted but felt I should today, hence creating an account.........

[SlyAnimal]

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone. I can't find any information about working on a non-b, with a fake degree.

So my question again, can you get problems with that?

Yes.

For starters, a non-B won't be extended by immigration, so it's not actually of much use to you, it'd just be a 3 month visa.

Second of you try to extend it, it'd mean sending your degree to Krusapa to be checked. If, as you say, it looks like a child made it, I don't think it'd convince them. They could then report you for falsifying a document which could potentially result in you being jailed and/or deported.

Thirdly, even if you were working on a Non-B visa, without a WP you're still working illegally. There might be a little bit of wiggle room if your school said they're applying for a WP but it just hasn't been approved... Which might or might not work. Although admittedly it's very very rare for schools to be checked for WPs (but check visas about as often as WPs (I.e. Never), so there's not much point in changing to a non-B.).

In general, you're simply unable to do things legally, the closest you'd get is if you eventually get married and change to an extension based on marriage (O-Visa Marriage), which allows employment and is extended annually on the basis of marriage. A work permit can then sometimes be obtained (depending on the interpretation of the rules used by your local DoL) for you to work as an assistant teacher or similar.

[Phatcharanan]

Seriously..............this thread should be closed.

[lostinisaan]

Seriously..............this thread should be closed.

+ 1. It isn't funny anymore. If it's true then he should receive the "Wurlitzer Prize 2015" and shut the thread down. It's so weird that it already hurts.

If people can't discuss that they're running illegal Window copies on their school computers, because it's illegal, it doesn't make sense to "help this guy."in any way to continue what he' doing.

Should the whole story be true, it's just another nail in the coffin for foreigners, who're teaching English in Thailand.

The guy doesn't seem to understand that it would be very easy to track him and arrest him on the spot, just having his IP.

Edited July 20, 2015 by lostinisaan

[arfurcrown]

Phatcharanan post # 40

Seriously..............this thread should be closed.

The very fact that it is endorsing and prompting illegal criminal activities should be the reason the thread is closed and the poster banned..

You will not use ThaiVisa.com to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, inaccurate, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law.

Edited July 20, 2015 by arfurcrown

[StefanBBK]

Completely illegal, immoral and stupid. Thai kids need qualified legal teachers, not people who just want to be with their girfriend

I am so with you on this Jacky.

[StefanBBK]

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone. I can't find any information about working on a non-b, with a fake degree.

So my question again, can you get problems with that?

It is illegal. Not even a grey area. What else you need to know?

[Dutch90]

I don't need to know anything anymore. For all the good comments, thanks a lot!

This topic can be closed, as suggested?

[lostinisaan]

I don't need to know anything anymore. For all the good comments, thanks a lot!

This topic can be closed, as suggested?

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone.

​ Unfortunately, having a smartphone doesn't necessarily make the owner more knowledgeable.

Dear OP,

You're stating that you're teaching English and I truly feel very sorry for the kids you might, or might not teach.

You're definitely completely off course and I wish you best of luck finding your Internet immediately. I hope that your girl friend didn't sell it, or gave your Internet to her brother, you know the guy who sometimes sleeps at your place and stays there when you're teaching.....

.Are you also teaching computer science at your school? I'm just asking, because there's also a forum on this website and some members might like it to be enlightened by your skills.

[Myran]

You claim to be qualified to teach but can't even write correctly in English. How about you think about someone other than yourself, like the children you are supposedly teaching? Stop trying to find ways to scam and deceive the Thai government and the students who deserve a REAL teacher.

[SantiSuk]

Sorry LostinIsaan, but I disagree. Most people, me included would not read a posting that looks so impenetrable.

I only went back to read it when I saw someone later said it was a worthwhile post

It was a very worthwhile post - should be edited and punctuated and pasted as a warning thread on the top of several topics in ThaV!! Excellent stuff

[DLang]

Aren't there Fake Degrees, printed using the name of a real university stating that you graduated from there when you didn't.

These are considered fraud.

But then there are also Life Experience Degrees.

Which are bought from dodgy places, but not in itself a Fake Degree.

They used to be accepted, but now I think the main people (OBEC?) Have a database of global universities and colleges and if the name of the uni your degree is from isn't on it, then it cannot be used.

Not sure of that though, perhaps Life Experience Degrees can still be used in some provinces and not be 'illegal' and considered fraud.

[lostinisaan]

Sorry LostinIsaan, but I disagree. Most people, me included would not read a posting that looks so impenetrable.

I only went back to read it when I saw someone later said it was a worthwhile post

It was a very worthwhile post - should be edited and punctuated and pasted as a warning thread on the top of several topics in ThaV!! Excellent stuff

I agree with your disagreement and I was thinking about people I've personally met, or worked with,right after reading your post.

Not too many people who say that they have a degree, really have one.

A youngish guy, working as an English teacher at a well known primary school in Ubon graduated in the year 1925.

An ex- colleague made no secret out of his in Bangkok purchased work permit and visa, of course not from the Immigration.

When I told him that he should immediately leave the country with the docs from the school, he refused and said that he'd have a valid visa....now I really regret that I kept both ears and eyes closed and didn't tell the superiors about it.

This thread brought back memories many people wouldn't even believe that they're true and really happened.

An Englishman with a strange past, "doing 16 years" in a high security prison in the UK, because he blew somebody's head off.....

Then two guys from the same country who were "only in" for six, the other one for seven years, both for armed robberies.....oh god.

The American teacher who was always so stoned that he decided to commit an insurance fraud, called the cops and told them that all his expensive belongings were stolen out of a hotel room. A short search and they found all the "stolen items", plus a big bag of ganja.....

You know the one guy from your area personally who once was a teacher. A fat one before school, in his lunch break and he sometimes ran against the sliding door, even the black birds on the doors didn't help him not to do so.

He usually needed three pairs of reading glasses a day, because he always sat on them. You know the guy who tells all that he's the foreigner in Kanth.... ,who's got the best looking Thai wife.

Another American who'd lost his job at my former school, who wanted the deposit back from his landlord when he got dismissed. The landlord said no, he'd need time to find somebody and without a given notice, the guy was right. The American then phoned the Tourist Police Ubon.....

Two TP officers walked in, a friendly greeting and a "how can we help you, sir?" One look in his passport and it turned out that the "teacher" who never had a contract in his 8 week tenure, nor the right visa, was on a 10 year+ overstay.

He immediately got a place to stay for free and it took quite long to depart him ,because nobody of his family and friends wanted to have anything to do with him. Four months free rice and water......

Then the guy who's so proud that somebody Photo shopped his criminal record in a way that he's so innocent like a newborn child, but the date of birth didn't fit in and they made their own research. Bye bye...

Then "Laurel and Hardy" who crashed completely hammered into a scooter, where two students from their school sat on, injured two of them and then needed help of a teacher from the school to get home, because they couldn't drive anymore.....

I could go on and on and on, but nobody would believe me that I'm telling the truth.

Yes, it's a worth to read the OP's post and it's incredible what's going on here.

Edited July 21, 2015 by lostinisaan

[aarontendo]

Heavens, someone is trying to work as a teacher without a degree. Quick, call the police!

Seriously guys, if you get this worked up about this you won't stay sane for long. I reckon half the folks teaching here aren't degree holders. Sucks, but what can you expect for just north of $900 USD a month?

[Dutch90]

Let me explain the story again.

My first conversation with my "manager", it's his project on the school, was a great conversation and he explained me how it works. As a newbie, I trusted him and I followed is words. After that I start reading on the internet and I found out it's not that easy like he told me.

Right now the problems are coming and that's why I asked you guys for some advice, read; how to solve this problem.

Am I a victim, no, because it's my own fault. Am I bad because I did this? Also not, because he promised me it was all oke.

Have a nice day all, and for the people who have more advices, you're welcome:)

[dutchisaan]

Let me explain the story again.

My first conversation with my "manager", it's his project on the school, was a great conversation and he explained me how it works. As a newbie, I trusted him and I followed is words. After that I start reading on the internet and I found out it's not that easy like he told me.

Right now the problems are coming and that's why I asked you guys for some advice, read; how to solve this problem.

Am I a victim, no, because it's my own fault. Am I bad because I did this? Also not, because he promised me it was all oke.

Have a nice day all, and for the people who have more advices, you're welcome:)

Nobody can give you advise on Illigal stuff!

Now, get a life and move on.

I'm sure you know where the airport is.

[Dutch90]

Cmon, we all know I'm not the only one who is working here without a degree. Many people are doing that, and I am the one who explains it online, 99% of the people don't!

[lostinisaan]

Let me explain the story again.

My first conversation with my "manager", it's his project on the school, was a great conversation and he explained me how it works. As a newbie, I trusted him and I followed is words. After that I start reading on the internet and I found out it's not that easy like he told me.

Right now the problems are coming and that's why I asked you guys for some advice, read; how to solve this problem.

Am I a victim, no, because it's my own fault. Am I bad because I did this? Also not, because he promised me it was all oke.

Have a nice day all, and for the people who have more advices, you're welcome:)

Your headline is really irritating. It should be: Manager helps his own wallet by giving a naive native Dutchman the opportunity to open up a coffee shop, similar to one in Amsterdam, where you're not allowed to smoke cigarettes, only pot and hashish, of course some space cake for your coffee..

The manager will receive 79 % of all sold hashish, ganja, space cake, etc...but the Dutchman has the full risk, including import, to be able to run this shop in Thailand, where such a shop is highly illegal, especially when people are too high to get the message.

The Dutchman fell in love with Noi, maybe Lek, or one of her sisters and his dream to stretch his holiday seems to become true, but he isn't allowed to do any work a Thai person could do, nor is he qualified to teach English in Thailand, even if the OP believes "he can do that".

. And he won't receive a work permit, because the dodgy degree that looks like a child had made it, would also be seen childish by any authorities. The Thai is of course in no way guilty if something with the coffee shop goes wrong.

The OP just doesn't get the message that he's being used by a Thai guy who wants to have some easy money. A manager who manages foreigners to have a fake degree to be able to work at a school,, can't be a real manager, or?

What would happen to the OP if he'd have a fake degree in woodshoe making, find employment and the superiors would find out that he doesn't even know that the shoes are made out of very old fermented cheese?

The OP trusts the manager, because he's a newbie, of course do we all trust everybody when we come to a completely different country, where people speak a completely different language.

Reading the post reminds me of another Dutchman who'd been in the lower northeast many moons ago.He received money from the government, because he was not able to go to work, had a nice apartment that taxpayers paid for and rented it out to people who took care of his greenish and brownish plants.

The same guy who took the Dutchman's identity, replied posts, showed up at several places, when necessary and he received a good percentage of the harvested good smelling flowers, while the Dutchman made his business in Thailand and settled down. Of course was it a girl he met in a bar who made him so crazy to do things that were against the law.

After five months he had a brilliant business idea, left Isaan and went to Hua Hin. His friend from Amsterdam became his business partner and they sold pot to everybody. Unfortunately also to an undercover cop and more than a pound was found at his bungalow that was paid by Dutch taxpayers.

The clever Dutchman hanged his friend from Amsterdam,told the cops that his friend who lived there longer did that already for some years and could even find a Thai guy who's lying for him. found a way to leave Thailand via Cambodia and can never come back to Thailand to see his big love.

You and your story really remind me of Willem. Why don't you understand that the Thai guy is in no way guilty, if/when something happens. Not his name is on the fake degree, or?

If you were 16 years old and you just met your first girlfriend, I might understand parts of your actions.

But if you're a grown man,then you just come over like a naive uneducated woodshoemaker, without a degree.Hope you found your Internet now.Good luck.

P.S. Where do you get your money from? It doesn't look like you've got your own business, otherwise you could stay with your girlfriend. Please be honest now.

Edited July 21, 2015 by lostinisaan

[bwpage3]

Are you wishing to stay in Thailand because of a Thai Girl? The smart thing to do, if this is all about a girl, is to get married and take her back to your own country. Or course with no education in your own country except High School, what kind of life can you provide for a family?

Breaking the rules in Thailand and getting caught, as you have already read, is NOT worth the risk of spending time in a Thai jail or getting blacklisted.

I have to question your intelligence why you think working as a teacher in Thailand is an answer?

Teachers do not get paid enough (on average, as I am sure their are exceptions), to provide any kind of normal life that any Thai woman would want from a foreigner. It may be good to be together and have a few beers, however, you will not be buying her a house and car that is really her dream. The first man she meets that can provide these things, she will dump you in a minute. Sorry to be truthful but this is Thailand. Thai Love is often equated to what you can provide, not what kind of handsome man you are.

There is allot of experience here on Thai Visa and you should heed their wisdom.

[lostinisaan]

Are you wishing to stay in Thailand because of a Thai Girl? The smart thing to do, if this is all about a girl, is to get married and take her back to your own country. Or course with no education in your own country except High School, what kind of life can you provide for a family?

Breaking the rules in Thailand and getting caught, as you have already read, is NOT worth the risk of spending time in a Thai jail or getting blacklisted.

I have to question your intelligence why you think working as a teacher in Thailand is an answer?

Teachers do not get paid enough (on average, as I am sure their are exceptions), to provide any kind of normal life that any Thai woman would want from a foreigner. It may be good to be together and have a few beers, however, you will not be buying her a house and car that is really her dream. The first man she meets that can provide these things, she will dump you in a minute. Sorry to be truthful but this is Thailand. Thai Love is often equated to what you can provide, not what kind of handsome man you are.

There is allot of experience here on Thai Visa and you should heed their wisdom.

It doesn't look like the OP has got a sort of employment back home.OP, please don't rely on your girlfriend now. She'll take off with the next guy who'll offer more than you.

To put yourself in such a dangerous position, eventually get caught, blacklisted, deported, because of a girl?

I can give you the address of a fellow country man in Den Haag, just in case the same happens to you. Then you can whine together about the mistakes you've made.....

I have no idea if the OP's antenna doesn't pick up all signals, or if he doesn't have all cornflakes in one box. Might be his girlfriend who doesn't have all his dogs on a leash.

[ldiablo]

First of all. The ministry of education in Thailand is not able to check degrees from other university or colleges, as these universities and colleges are not permitted to supply such information. The only person authorized to check on the validity of someone's degree is the owner of such degree and it must be done in writing. They can check with one of many online companies who offer such service so long as the university or college is a member and of course the ministry of education pays the fee.

[SheungWan]

Hello A,

Thanks a lot for the great comment,very useful.

I already decided to not work on a work permit. But the school wants me to work on a Non-b visa, I have to change my tourist visa to a non-b.

Are there the same risks as working on a work permit with only working on a non-b visa?

Dude, please tell me that you're not that naive. Don't you have Google search on your PC/notebook/ cellphone? God, it already hurts.

There's a never-ending queue of them. . And look! There'll be another one along in a minute or two..........................

[balo]

I'm not naive, and yes, off course I try to find the Internet on my smartphone. I can't find any information about working on a non-b, with a fake degree.

So my question again, can you get problems with that?

Troll question , even the Dutch arent that stupid.