what happened to the woman who killed the 3 bikers

[stament]

apparently the woman was rich enough to pay the families 2 millions each.

she got away with it.

we have conflicting posts, either they paid them like you said or they didnt like another poster suggested, must be one or the other as mutually exclusive, now what was it do we really know? was it reported in the paper or court?

[mascarabertha]

no matter if the families did press charges, doesn't the legal process intervene. so if I shot somebody and the family didn't care-//I walk away

[stament]

sounds like it, bit weird, I am used to separate civil and criminal cases so doesnt matter if you settle the crown can still criminally prosecute.

[LarryBird]

The police 'facilitate' things.

[kingalfred]

Sadly this is yet another example of the extreme lack of professionalism of local newspapers and their reporters / journalists.

The concept of 'follow up' is just not in their thinking and their processes.

Seems strange for several reasons, just one being that follow up could often provide the newspapers with interesting copy, all helping to sell newspapers.

But there would be no doubt that many reporters / journalists would be frightened to 'follow up' on many of these cases, especially where hi-so folks / powerful people are involved.

so true ,its not just that the legal system sucks. Its the fact that journalism is frankly the same as everything else , namely fake

[Gonzo the Face]

I ran across this a couple hours ago and thought it may be interesting to some who have read this current topic post.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/bishop-killed-cyclist-driving-drunk-years-34774039

I guess the parents in this case just couldn't afford the fee or may it was more like justice as it should be.

[TheFishman1]

Gonzo you forget TIT see u Thanksgiving

[cyberfarang]

Kirsty Jones Arrie Guest House murder. Downtown Inn mysterious deaths. All gone quite.

[Tigerbythetail]

The Tennesse Pub on Thong lor....when a certain son of a certain deputy pm...shot a police sgt at point blank range with 140 plus witnesses.........he got a well payin

what is the Tennessee Pub on thong lor?

[Chiengmaijoe]

Kirsty Jones Arrie Guest House murder. Downtown Inn mysterious deaths. All gone quite.

The Downtown Inn deaths ended with an investigation that was inconclusive and involved tests on samples made on USA and Japan, so although no single factor linked the deaths the investigation was concluded. The reality was that the deaths were quite different and so finding a common link was unlikely.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Chiengmaijoe

[Chicog]

Kirsty Jones Arrie Guest House murder. Downtown Inn mysterious deaths. All gone quite.

The Downtown Inn deaths ended with an investigation that was inconclusive and involved tests on samples made on USA and Japan, so although no single factor linked the deaths the investigation was concluded. The reality was that the deaths were quite different and so finding a common link was unlikely.

From what I remember they all died of poisoning and the police even raided the pest control company, but mysteriously the owner of the hotel was a connected figure and therefore it was all hushed up.

If I remember rightly:

- Two Kiwis girls: Bad food at Kalare.

- Old Couple: Over-vigorous sex (Yes, that is the excuse they first offered).

- Thai guide - well no-one really gave a toss about her.

- Some British bloke who was only visiting: Must have been something somewhere else.

Funny old game eh?

[Chiengmaijoe]

Kirsty Jones Arrie Guest House murder. Downtown Inn mysterious deaths. All gone quite.

The Downtown Inn deaths ended with an investigation that was inconclusive and involved tests on samples made on USA and Japan, so although no single factor linked the deaths the investigation was concluded. The reality was that the deaths were quite different and so finding a common link was unlikely.

From what I remember they all died of poisoning and the police even raided the pest control company, but mysteriously the owner of the hotel was a connected figure and therefore it was all hushed up.

If I remember rightly:

- Two Kiwis girls: Bad food at Kalare.

- Old Couple: Over-vigorous sex (Yes, that is the excuse they first offered).

- Thai guide - well no-one really gave a toss about her.

- Some British bloke who was only visiting: Must have been something somewhere else.

Funny old game eh?

If you are rich enough to own hotels, the odds are you are well-connected so every time something like this happened the owner would be found innocent because he is well connected and never because ..... he is innocent. I have no doubt that influential people can avoid problems, but that doesn't mean that every time something like this happens, they get off because they are influential. Sure, some deaths are suspicious, but not every suicide or death in Thailand is murder and the influential person got off, as some would have us believe.

I happened to have known the elderly couple and so know quite a bit of what actually happened and most of what was said was just inaccurate, biased nonsense with most people having no idea of the facts, or wanting to know the facts, just wanting to paint a picture that suited their agenda.

As regards to your post, three kiwi girls got violently ill, went to a hospital and seemed to have recovered, but tragically one of them had a relapse and died. The elderly couple had no outward signs of illness and died suddenly - quite differently to the manner in which the kiwi girl died. The tour guide had a heart attack but I don't know too much about the reason, and no other British guy died at The Downtown Inn, but he may have unknowingly walked past the place at one point.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Chiengmaijoe

[flyDelight]

She holds on the illusion she paid off her negative karma by making a deal with some fake monk who did some fake ritual. She also believes she herself was the real victim.

[mascarabertha]

what happened to the girl the ran over and killed the three bikers

[eyecatcher]

what happened to the girl the ran over and killed the three bikers

The three cyclists you mean?

(this thread is now stuck in a loop)

[MaeJoMTB]

Her family own a big construction company. Paid off all the dead people relatives. She got a suspended sentence.

Info from a Thai lady that lives on the same moobaan.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

^ Good.

She wasn't even intoxicated by most international standards.

(And barely over the Thai limit which is strangely tight. Seems designed more for making money then have it be a reasonable limit with road safety in mind.)

But erm: Source?

[Dante99]

Good????????

Alcohol level is not the only motor vehicle related crime.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Good????????

Alcohol level is not the only motor vehicle related crime.

Right, well yes, she was also female and tired.

A very unfortunate accident, but this is Thailand; crap like this happens every day. Just usually the victims aren't rich, and on bicycles. At 5am. On a main highway. For some reason.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

She was held responsible. That's why she ended up in court, was sentenced, and had to pay big money.

Edited January 19, 2016 by WinnieTheKhwai

[mamborobert]

Good????????

Alcohol level is not the only motor vehicle related crime.

Right, well yes, she was also female and tired.

A very unfortunate accident, but this is Thailand; crap like this happens every day. Just usually the victims aren't rich, and on bicycles. At 5am. On a main highway. For some reason.

If you drive when tired or exhausted surely you must be held responsible.

We hold truck drivers, bus drivers. train drivers, liable when they cause accidents when tired let alone when they result in multiple fatalities...even in Thailand!

The cause is making a decision to drive when being tired.. people are aware when they are tired and she made a decision to chance it, with fatal consequences for others.

Driving while tired has been shown in study after study to reduce capabilities and response times.....dare I say to alcohol levels (hence warnings in the west and even parts of Thailand to rest and have established rest stops.. so if she had "a little" to drink and was tired, she had impaired abilities. I mean she is using that as an excuse (not reason). She acknowledges a diminished level of functioning and blames that for the "accident". This is only partially correct. Choosing to drive in that state is the culpability here.

She was tired. She chose to drive. She killed people.

Edited January 19, 2016 by mamborobert

[Dante99]

She was held responsible. That's why she ended up in court, was sentenced, and had to pay big money.

And how long is she in jail for?

[moe666]

In someways this is more justice for the survivors at least they got a big payout.

[metisdead]

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[Dante99]

In someways this is more justice for the survivors at least they got a big payout.

How much do you figure your life is worth? Your nearest loved one? The death of a parent?

Did they get paid that much? Probably not close.

[mamborobert]

In someways this is more justice for the survivors at least they got a big payout.

How much do you figure your life is worth? Your nearest loved one? The death of a parent?

Did they get paid that much? Probably not close.

Could not agree more.

That kind of logic always reminds me of the Tom Lehrer lyrics from Wernher Von Braun (a designer of V2 rockets that rained on London, SS member, user of concentration camp slave labour........and then worked for NASA)

"Some have harsh words for this man of renownBut some think our attitude should be one of gratitudeLike the widows and cripples in old London townWho owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun"

[heybruce]

Good????????

Alcohol level is not the only motor vehicle related crime.

Right, well yes, she was also female and tired.

A very unfortunate accident, but this is Thailand; crap like this happens every day. Just usually the victims aren't rich, and on bicycles. At 5am. On a main highway. For some reason.

What time would you suggest bicycling for people who want daylight and minimum traffic? What roads around here would you recommend for bicyclists who want good surfaces, good visibility and few intersections?

She had alcohol in her system, was tired, and either wasn't watching where she was going or wasn't driving under control. Because of these things she killed three people. I don't think it's a good idea to let people off easy when their irresponsibility causes deaths.

Edited January 19, 2016 by heybruce

[balo]

She was held responsible. That's why she ended up in court, was sentenced, and had to pay big money.

And how long is she in jail for?

Why don't you just contact the lawyer of the woman to find out ? It's not normal to read about this in the news.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

A very unfortunate accident, but this is Thailand; crap like this happens every day. Just usually the victims aren't rich, and on bicycles. At 5am. On a main highway. For some reason.

What time would you suggest bicycling for people who want daylight and minimum traffic? What roads around here would you recommend for bicyclists who want good surfaces, good visibility and few intersections?

There aren't any. And this is why a country can still be legitimately considered third world. Third world is not the absence of luxury or a thriving middle class, it is a mindset still rooted in ignorance when it comes to basic safety, equal treatment and equal value of human life regardless of background. Europe in the 1950s and 1960s was absolutely much poorer than Thailand is today, but they did have safety infrastructure including bicycle lanes, and countless other things that don't cost money but do require morality and common sense.

You don't have those things in Thailand. Road safety, fire safety, electrical safety, procedures and regulations.. It's part of the attraction in many ways (freedom!), but you do need to realize the way things are and will likely remain to be for the foreseeable future.

Alcohol limits are set VERY strict, possibly to make it easy to make money for smaller infractions, or to show an appearance of being tough and 'doing something'. In setting the limit this way, it's not feasible to drink a small/moderate amount and be under the limit. This way it doesn't induce a behavioral change in reducing alcohol consumption. The only behavioral change it induces now is 'just don't get caught', which remains all too easy.

That said, there is a very ambitious, physically separate bicycle lane being constructed all along the Canal Road starting as far South as the Samoeng Intersection. Especially with many cyclists being wealthy middle class, there is actually a chance at this becoming more common, or even a feature of road planning in the future (gasp.. will I live to see the day...)

Edited January 20, 2016 by WinnieTheKhwai

[heybruce]

A very unfortunate accident, but this is Thailand; crap like this happens every day. Just usually the victims aren't rich, and on bicycles. At 5am. On a main highway. For some reason.

What time would you suggest bicycling for people who want daylight and minimum traffic? What roads around here would you recommend for bicyclists who want good surfaces, good visibility and few intersections?

There aren't any. And this is why a country can still be legitimately considered third world. Third world is not the absence of luxury or a thriving middle class, it is a mindset still rooted in ignorance when it comes to basic safety, equal treatment and equal value of human life regardless of background. Europe in the 1950s and 1960s was absolutely much poorer than Thailand is today, but they did have safety infrastructure including bicycle lanes, and countless other things that don't cost money but do require morality and common sense.

You don't have those things in Thailand. Road safety, fire safety, electrical safety, procedures and regulations.. It's part of the attraction in many ways (freedom!), but you do need to realize the way things are and will likely remain to be for the foreseeable future.

Alcohol limits are set VERY strict, possibly to make it easy to make money for smaller infractions, or to show an appearance of being tough and 'doing something'. In setting the limit this way, it's not feasible to drink a small/moderate amount and be under the limit. This way it doesn't induce a behavioral change in reducing alcohol consumption. The only behavioral change it induces now is 'just don't get caught', which remains all too easy.

That said, there is a very ambitious, physically separate bicycle lane being constructed all along the Canal Road starting as far South as the Samoeng Intersection. Especially with many cyclists being wealthy middle class, there is actually a chance at this becoming more common, or even a feature of road planning in the future (gasp.. will I live to see the day...)

The superhighway has a pretty good surface, good visibility (no blind corners or hidden crossroads), and, unlike the woman's blood alcohol level, bicycling on it is legal.

You edited out the part of my post you didn't want to reply to, this part:

"She had alcohol in her system, was tired, and either wasn't watching where she was going or wasn't driving under control. Because of these things she killed three people. I don't think it's a good idea to let people off easy when their irresponsibility causes deaths."

Attitudes on road safety will change when people get tired of the carnage, and when laws are enforced effectively and applied to the rich as well as the poor. The outrage over these killings show that the people in Thailand are ready for this change. The pathetic response from the government shows that the people in charge want to keep the rich and privileged above the law.