attrayant Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Your thinking of mediums there the ones who predict, astrologers after consulting your chart will advise on suitable times to buy, sell, study etc, often it falls into a period of time that period could be anything from a month to a number of years... Common, get your pseudoscience straight. Mediums do not predict anything. Mediums are the fraudsters who claim to be able to channel alleged spirits from beyond the grave. As their name implies, they act as a bridge - a literal medium - between the living and the dead. Giving advice about the best time to buy, sell, study or whatever you want do in the future is still making a prediction about the future. Call it whatever you like. Whether it's based on the position of the planets or the arrangement of tea leaves, it's all just different forms of soothsaying and it's still hokum. Edited August 16, 2015 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Most of you guys know nothing of Astrology, i assume were talking about the spiritual side here.There is nothing "spiritual" about astrology.Astrology is the contention that the position of the planets & stars at the time of your birth profoundly affects your life. Astrologers dont predict your future, they will draw up your chart from information like date and location of birth, from that chart they can advise you on likely phases coming and going in your life.How is giving advice on "likely phases coming in your life" different from predicting the future? As I said most here don't know about what astrologers do, your thinking of mediums there the ones who predict, astrologers after consulting your chart will advise on suitable times to buy, sell, study etc, often it falls into a period of time that period could be anything from a month to a number of years, the degree of how accurate they are comes down to the individual, I've never known a real astrologer to predict anything, the news paper ones are just entertainment like the rest of the news paper. How to spoil a parfectly good sentence.... " I've never known a real astrologer to predict anything," add...."the news paper ones are just entertainment like the rest of the news paper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Astrologers don't predict they just suggest best times to....... So basically they don't con one kind of gullible twit, it's another they con? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The only time I ever got involved with astrology was with a girl who liked to do my chart and give readings but she was gorgeous and had great t-ts so I would have feigned interest even if he had been into phrenology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Astrology: a "science"using the planets to predict a persons future, created by people who thought the sun revolved around the earth. what could go wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus "give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology .." Really??? Don't you realise that even if they did give you the numbers, Astrology would STILL be a load of Shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Fruitcake central now at TV, man didnt walk on the moon but astrology is real............. Edited August 16, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby johnson Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I predicted on 15 August that this thread would be full of tedious nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I predicted on 15 August that this thread would be full of tedious nonsense. I made a similar prediction on the same date. Our astrological charting techniques must be superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opalred Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 must be a lot of bush natives out there to be born under the stars i must be a lucky one to be born with a roof over our head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 ..born under a bad sign, been down since I began to crawl...if it wasn't for bad luck...I wouldn't have no luck at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I once went to one of these guys who was supposed to be marvelous,he asked a lot of questioned to which my reply was you tell me? He was Crap ,as are all of them, my mother in law used them all the time ,for the lottery etc, funny she is not a millionaire I had a friend who made his living by forecasting the future for you. He made a good living. The one thing he told me is if you see one say as little as you can. They are very gifted at figuring things out from a little bit of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 They are very gifted at figuring things out from a little bit of information. The technique is called cold reading. http://skepdic.com/coldread.html But I wouldn't use the word gifted, as that makes it sound like such people have a genuine ability beyond that of simple trickery and deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Fruitcake central now at TV, man didnt walk on the moon but astrology is real............. Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Fruitcake central now at TV, man didnt walk on the moon but astrology is real............. Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. There's nothing " esoteric" about astrology.......it's bunkum. Edited August 22, 2015 by cumgranosalum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Fruitcake central now at TV, man didnt walk on the moon but astrology is real............. Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. Why would you think this topic is not interesting to skeptics and critical thinkers? Why do you label the views of skeptics to be ignorant? Wooist thinking is fascinating not so much in what is believed but how and why people are able to believe in things to which there is no evidence, been tested, evaluated and found to have no merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbanda Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I study Tarot and Kabbalah for hobby. I do not like to use it in other people. It is very interesting, precise sometimes, and easy to learn. I do not have doubts that our lives are connected with events and energy changes in the full universe. Only very few people do Astrology seriously, because it a very complicated task, and it is not a future telling to become rich. Most astrologers do just for hobby, because will be very expensive to customers to do it commercially. Probably some rich people are in contact with good astrologers. I have a close friend in the US that is a professional in other area, but a serious astrologer, and I know his work. He said that doing it properly can show the most dramatic events in a person life, even reason and time of death. He only do under written conditions and contract, and for some very particular people. He never do it for friends and family. The ones online, or cheap, are just scammers. Edited August 23, 2015 by umbanda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Fruitcake central now at TV, man didnt walk on the moon but astrology is real............. Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. More odd is the stupidity it takes to "believe" in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I study Tarot and Kabbalah for hobby. I do not like to use it in other people. It is very interesting, precise sometimes, and easy to learn. I do not have doubts that our lives are connected with events and energy changes in the full universe. Only very few people do Astrology seriously, because it a very complicated task, and it is not a future telling to become rich. Most astrologers do just for hobby, because will be very expensive to customers to do it commercially. Probably some rich people are in contact with good astrologers. I have a close friend in the US that is a professional in other area, but a serious astrologer, and I know his work. He said that doing it properly can show the most dramatic events in a person life, even reason and time of death. He only do under written conditions and contract, and for some very particular people. He never do it for friends and family. The ones online, or cheap, are just scammers. Fine, lets see the evidence................what you dont have any???? but but but.........ah ok its "belief" OK so does it also affect animals, does it work down to an amoeba, if there were no humans would there be no astrology?, how do the outer dwarf planets, which are quite large that you didnt know about 30 years ago effect us...........Im all ears? PS I guess you knew this question was coming and have already called your friend to let me know. Edited August 23, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouph12 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 From the NASA website for children: http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/starfinder2/en/ Some grown-ups might find it informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. There's nothing " esoteric" about astrology.......it's bunkum. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coulson Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) give me the winning lottery numbers then I'll believe in Astrology ... as for the planets ... I only know uranus Fruitcake central now at TV, man didnt walk on the moon but astrology is real............. Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. Why would you think this topic is not interesting to skeptics and critical thinkers? Why do you label the views of skeptics to be ignorant? Wooist thinking is fascinating not so much in what is believed but how and why people are able to believe in things to which there is no evidence, been tested, evaluated and found to have no merit. Like any religious deity...... Edited August 23, 2015 by coulson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Odd how every time a topic on anything deemed esoteric is raised on here the overwhelming majority just can't seemed to resist repeatedly posting their usually ignorant, views debunking said topic. Anyone would think they really needed to reaffirm their uninformed position/stance. There's no other explanation for their not simply thinking 'oh this topic doesn't interest me' and going on to something else Is there. There's nothing " esoteric" about astrology.......it's bunkum. I rest my case. I don't seem to realise that you don't have a case, but an erroneous premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) ancient people who knew very little about the stars planets and other celestial objects, for some reason decided that their position in the heavens at the time of our birth and during our lives affected the outcome of events in our lives. I have two questions What was that reason? Why? what made them think that celestial bodies affect or predict the outcome of events in our lives? did they take in to account that our relative position to these celestial bodies changes constantly and developed a differential calculus to account for those changes? For those who believe in astrology, why do you believe it is true?How do you think the planets influence events in your lives. Edited August 23, 2015 by sirineou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) The human mind loves to find patterns where none exist (face on Mars) and play "connect the dots" to make faulty correlations (somebody sees a rooster crow, and then the sun comes up, therefore the crowing rooster caused the sun rise). Long before humans had a scientific understanding of nature, most of what people "knew" was learned strictly through observation. The scientific method arose in several different cultures independently, but it was the philosophers such as Aristotle and Epicurus who really began to apply logic and empirical evidence to validate hypotheses. Sadly, the collapse of the Roman Empire and subsequent Christian Dark Ages effectively suppressed scientific advancement for a thousand years or more. During this time, people established beliefs based on simple observation - such as looking at the stars and remembering what happened the last time when a certain celestial object was in a certain position. Chinese astrologers often made up post-hoc explanations to explain to their emperors why certain things happened, and often the stars got the blame. The first time Comet Halley was seen by Chinese astrologers (at that time it was called a 'broom star"), a few months later a prominent member of the royal family died. Not knowing what else to think, the comet got the blame. In subsequent years when it reappeared, royal astrologers were quick to blame the comet for whatever bad news happened to be vexing the royal family at the time. Comet Halley (and the positions of celestial bodies in general) were a convenient scapegoat. As Carl Sagan once said, the pseudoscience of astrology seems comforting. If our lives are controlled by a set of celestial traffic signals in the heavens, why bother trying to change anything? Edited August 23, 2015 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 The human mind loves to find patterns where none exist (face on Mars) and play "connect the dots" to make faulty correlations (somebody sees a rooster crow, and then the sun comes up, therefore the crowing rooster caused the sun rise). Long before humans had a scientific understanding of nature, most of what people "knew" was learned strictly through observation. The scientific method arose in several different cultures independently, but it was the philosophers such as Aristotle and Epicurus who really began to apply logic and empirical evidence to validate hypotheses. Sadly, the collapse of the Roman Empire and subsequent Christian Dark Ages effectively suppressed scientific advancement for a thousand years or more. During this time, people established beliefs based on simple observation - such as looking at the stars and remembering what happened the last time when a certain celestial object was in a certain position. Chinese astrologers often made up post-hoc explanations to explain to their emperors why certain things happened, and often the stars got the blame. The first time Comet Halley was seen by Chinese astrologers (at that time it was called a 'broom star"), a few months later a prominent member of the royal family died. Not knowing what else to think, the comet got the blame. In subsequent years when it reappeared, royal astrologers were quick to blame the comet for whatever bad news happened to be vexing the royal family at the time. Comet Halley (and the positions of celestial bodies in general) were a convenient scapegoat. As Carl Sagan once said, the pseudoscience of astrology seems comforting. If our lives are controlled by a set of celestial traffic signals in the heavens, why bother trying to change anything? That explains why people thousands of years ago believed in these things but how can one, knowing what we know , reconcile these beliefs today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Willful ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rethaier Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It's all bo##ucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It's all bo##ucks. I don't believe a word of it, but, then again being a Sagitairious, or however you spell it, means I doubt everything, I think. ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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