Scott Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Off-topic posts removed. The topic is not about Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Americans can spin it any way they want if it makes them feel better, then stand back in amazement when perceived by the rest of the world as gun toting psychopaths. Even the president advocates change but no one wants to listen, how do they think that appears to the global community. How can you conceivably believe most Americans give a flying fig what the rest of the world thinks? The current President is an empty suit. Nobody listens to empty suits. But you would expect this gun obsessed nation to be accepted as a credible world leader, the mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Americans can spin it any way they want if it makes them feel better, then stand back in amazement when perceived by the rest of the world as gun toting psychopaths. Even the president advocates change but no one wants to listen, how do they think that appears to the global community. "The Americans". Is that like all British people have really bad teeth? There seems to be a lot of people from Britian obsessed with this though. Like unhealthy obsessive/compulsive weird. Anyway, if you are one of them, please stop being such an annoying Nanny. The Yanks will sort themselves out when they are good and ready to, just like they did you lot 200 odd years ago. Yes quite, in the short history certainly led the way in mass shootings and massacres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Americans can spin it any way they want if it makes them feel better, then stand back in amazement when perceived by the rest of the world as gun toting psychopaths. Even the president advocates change but no one wants to listen, how do they think that appears to the global community. How can you conceivably believe most Americans give a flying fig what the rest of the world thinks? The current President is an empty suit. Nobody listens to empty suits. But you would expect this gun obsessed nation to be accepted as a credible world leader, the mind boggles. Please read my earlier response. It is still applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The follow up. http://newsthump.com/2015/12/04/america-celebrates-24-hours-without-a-mass-shooting/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) pause for thought..... Edited December 5, 2015 by cumgranosalum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Pause and think. cumgranosalum, on 05 Dec 2015 - 07:47, said: pause for thought..... If you had provided a breakdown of those deaths it might actually mean something. How many shot dead by the Police. How many were gang-bangers. How many were suicides. Lets give that a bit of context. With a population of around 350 000 000 million, 30 638 represents about 0.0008 of the population. How many Islamic terrorists are there ? 200 000 ? 500 000 ? 1 000 000 ? 32,658 people were killed by terrorism in 2014 compared to 18,111 in 2013: the largest increase ever recorded Boko Haram and ISIL were jointly responsible for 51% of all claimed global fatalities in 2014 Boko Haram has overtaken ISIL as world's deadliest terrorist group Countries suffering over 500 deaths increased by 120% to 11 countries 78% of all deaths and 57% of all attacks occurred in just five countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan and Syria Iraq continues to be the country most impacted by terrorism with 9,929 terrorist fatalities the highest ever recorded in a single country Nigeria experienced the largest increase in terrorist activity with 7,512 deaths in 2014, an increase of over 300% since 2013 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2015-global-terrorism-index-deaths-from-terrorism-increased-80-last-year-to-the-highest-level-ever-global-economic-cost-of-terrorism-reached-all-time-high-at-us529-billion-550766811.html Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Pause and think. cumgranosalum, on 05 Dec 2015 - 07:47, said: pause for thought..... If you had provided a breakdown of those deaths it might actually mean something. How many shot dead by the Police. How many were gang-bangers. How many were suicides. Lets give that a bit of context. With a population of around 350 000 000 million, 30 638 represents about 0.0008 of the population. How many Islamic terrorists are there ? 200 000 ? 500 000 ? 1 000 000 ? 32,658 people were killed by terrorism in 2014 compared to 18,111 in 2013: the largest increase ever recorded Boko Haram and ISIL were jointly responsible for 51% of all claimed global fatalities in 2014 Boko Haram has overtaken ISIL as world's deadliest terrorist group Countries suffering over 500 deaths increased by 120% to 11 countries 78% of all deaths and 57% of all attacks occurred in just five countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan and Syria Iraq continues to be the country most impacted by terrorism with 9,929 terrorist fatalities the highest ever recorded in a single country Nigeria experienced the largest increase in terrorist activity with 7,512 deaths in 2014, an increase of over 300% since 2013 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2015-global-terrorism-index-deaths-from-terrorism-increased-80-last-year-to-the-highest-level-ever-global-economic-cost-of-terrorism-reached-all-time-high-at-us529-billion-550766811.html Nice try. And boko haram killed those people in the us? If not, what is the relevance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The Americans can spin it any way they want if it makes them feel better, then stand back in amazement when perceived by the rest of the world as gun toting psychopaths. Even the president advocates change but no one wants to listen, how do they think that appears to the global community. How can you conceivably believe most Americans give a flying fig what the rest of the world thinks? The current President is an empty suit. Nobody listens to empty suits. But you would expect this gun obsessed nation to be accepted as a credible world leader, the mind boggles. Please read my earlier response. It is still applicable. It is all about perception, but of course there are always Maple Leaf badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Pause and think. cumgranosalum, on 05 Dec 2015 - 07:47, said: pause for thought..... If you had provided a breakdown of those deaths it might actually mean something. How many shot dead by the Police. How many were gang-bangers. How many were suicides. Lets give that a bit of context. With a population of around 350 000 000 million, 30 638 represents about 0.0008 of the population. How many Islamic terrorists are there ? 200 000 ? 500 000 ? 1 000 000 ? 32,658 people were killed by terrorism in 2014 compared to 18,111 in 2013: the largest increase ever recorded Boko Haram and ISIL were jointly responsible for 51% of all claimed global fatalities in 2014 Boko Haram has overtaken ISIL as world's deadliest terrorist group Countries suffering over 500 deaths increased by 120% to 11 countries 78% of all deaths and 57% of all attacks occurred in just five countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan and Syria Iraq continues to be the country most impacted by terrorism with 9,929 terrorist fatalities the highest ever recorded in a single country Nigeria experienced the largest increase in terrorist activity with 7,512 deaths in 2014, an increase of over 300% since 2013 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2015-global-terrorism-index-deaths-from-terrorism-increased-80-last-year-to-the-highest-level-ever-global-economic-cost-of-terrorism-reached-all-time-high-at-us529-billion-550766811.html Nice try. " How many shot dead by the Police. How many were gang-bangers. How many were suicides." - QED - how sad. Clearly the poster is incapable of imagining life - or rather death - without guns. Edited December 5, 2015 by cumgranosalum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The Americans can spin it any way they want if it makes them feel better, then stand back in amazement when perceived by the rest of the world as gun toting psychopaths. Even the president advocates change but no one wants to listen, how do they think that appears to the global community. "The Americans". Is that like all British people have really bad teeth? There seems to be a lot of people from Britian obsessed with this though. Like unhealthy obsessive/compulsive weird. Anyway, if you are one of them, please stop being such an annoying Nanny. The Yanks will sort themselves out when they are good and ready to, just like they did you lot 200 odd years ago. Yes quite, in the short history certainly led the way in mass shootings and massacres. Yeah but when you open the appeture a bit wider, you'll find your own country has absolutely no business lecturing anyone about anything of that sort. You'll have to wait at least another 100 years before you can spout off about morals and good governance, and expect people not to laugh out loud at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) The Americans can spin it any way they want if it makes them feel better, then stand back in amazement when perceived by the rest of the world as gun toting psychopaths. Even the president advocates change but no one wants to listen, how do they think that appears to the global community. "The Americans". Is that like all British people have really bad teeth? There seems to be a lot of people from Britian obsessed with this though. Like unhealthy obsessive/compulsive weird. Anyway, if you are one of them, please stop being such an annoying Nanny. The Yanks will sort themselves out when they are good and ready to, just like they did you lot 200 odd years ago. Yes quite, in the short history certainly led the way in mass shootings and massacres. Yeah but when you open the appeture a bit wider, you'll find your own country has absolutely no business lecturing anyone about anything of that sort. You'll have to wait at least another 100 years before you can spout off about morals and good governance, and expect people not to laugh out loud at you. You don't appear to recognise a false dichotomy when you use one.....or even two or three. Edited December 5, 2015 by cumgranosalum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Pause and think. cumgranosalum, on 05 Dec 2015 - 07:47, said: pause for thought..... If you had provided a breakdown of those deaths it might actually mean something. How many shot dead by the Police. How many were gang-bangers. How many were suicides. Some figures. "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence." The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cumgranosalum Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Pause and think. cumgranosalum, on 05 Dec 2015 - 07:47, said: pause for thought..... If you had provided a breakdown of those deaths it might actually mean something. How many shot dead by the Police. How many were gang-bangers. How many were suicides. Lets give that a bit of context. With a population of around 350 000 000 million, 30 638 represents about 0.0008 of the population. How many Islamic terrorists are there ? 200 000 ? 500 000 ? 1 000 000 ? 32,658 people were killed by terrorism in 2014 compared to 18,111 in 2013: the largest increase ever recorded Boko Haram and ISIL were jointly responsible for 51% of all claimed global fatalities in 2014 Boko Haram has overtaken ISIL as world's deadliest terrorist group Countries suffering over 500 deaths increased by 120% to 11 countries 78% of all deaths and 57% of all attacks occurred in just five countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan and Syria Iraq continues to be the country most impacted by terrorism with 9,929 terrorist fatalities the highest ever recorded in a single country Nigeria experienced the largest increase in terrorist activity with 7,512 deaths in 2014, an increase of over 300% since 2013 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2015-global-terrorism-index-deaths-from-terrorism-increased-80-last-year-to-the-highest-level-ever-global-economic-cost-of-terrorism-reached-all-time-high-at-us529-billion-550766811.html Nice try. ..and the last line of that article goes s follows.... "Since 2000, less than 3% of terrorist deaths occurred in the West. Thirteen times as many people are killed globally by homicides than die in terrorist attacks." - so what do you think is happening in the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) <snip> Some figures. "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence."The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Let's do take a look at your numbers. 1. With the current US population standing at 318.9 million, your chance of being caught in one of the 353 mass shootings is... ----1 in 903,400---- 2. Since 144 of the 353 mass shootings resulted in no deaths, that means total mass shootings resulting in death came to 209 incidents. This further means your chance of getting caught in a fatal mass shooting incident is now... ----1 in 1,525,838---- 3. Now of the remaining 209 deadly mass shootings. a total of 103 of them resulted in only one death. You would have to be incredibly unlucky to become one of the single fatality mass shootings so far this year. You would be... ----1 in 3,096,117---- 4. The total remaining mass shootings where more than one person died is now 106. Your chance of getting caught up in one of these is... ----1 in 3,008,490---- If you are in the US, the odds are certainly in your favor. If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially. The sky is not really falling. Edited December 5, 2015 by chuckd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 <snip> Some figures. "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence."The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Let's do take a look at your numbers. 1. With the current US population standing at 318.9 million, your chance of being caught in one of the 353 mass shootings is... ----1 in 903,400---- 2. Since 144 of the 353 mass shootings resulted in no deaths, that means total mass shootings resulting in death came to 209 incidents. This further means your chance of getting caught in a fatal mass shooting incident is now... ----1 in 1,525,838---- 3. Now of the remaining 209 deadly mass shootings. a total of 103 of them resulted in only one death. You would have to be incredibly unlucky to become one of the single fatality mass shootings so far this year. You would be... ----1 in 3,096,117---- 4. The total remaining mass shootings where more than one person died is now 106. Your chance of getting caught up in one of these is... ----1 in 3,008,490---- If you are in the US, the odds are certainly in your favor. If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially. The sky is not really falling. "If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially." - what an astounding conclusion.... "The sky is not really falling. - tell that to the people who've been shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Herps Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) <snip> Some figures. "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence."The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Let's do take a look at your numbers. 1. With the current US population standing at 318.9 million, your chance of being caught in one of the 353 mass shootings is... ----1 in 903,400---- 2. Since 144 of the 353 mass shootings resulted in no deaths, that means total mass shootings resulting in death came to 209 incidents. This further means your chance of getting caught in a fatal mass shooting incident is now... ----1 in 1,525,838---- 3. Now of the remaining 209 deadly mass shootings. a total of 103 of them resulted in only one death. You would have to be incredibly unlucky to become one of the single fatality mass shootings so far this year. You would be... ----1 in 3,096,117---- 4. The total remaining mass shootings where more than one person died is now 106. Your chance of getting caught up in one of these is... ----1 in 3,008,490---- If you are in the US, the odds are certainly in your favor. If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially. The sky is not really falling. People incompetent at basic logic probably should not use numbers. Your entire line of reasoning is derived from dividing the population by the number of shootings. That's completely nonsensical. There are anywhere from 4 to 30 victims in each mass shooting. So from the very beginning your logic is off - if you want to actually measure your chances, you have to divide by the number of victims, not the number of shootings. With a range of 4-30 victims, let's cheat and say the average # of victims is 9 (probably a bit high, but not too much). Taking your first number, which is your actual chance of getting shot (apparently you're cool with getting shot if you don't die???) and the chance of being shot in a mass shooting drops to somewhere around 1 in 100,000. That's just the basic ignorance in the post. But there are other things to think about. That number is only your chance of it happening THIS year. If we stay at a similar annual rate of mass shootings because we don't address the problem, then the chances of getting shot over the next 10 years would drop to 1 in 10,000. Of course, that's a completely self-centered figure. Do you only care if you're the victim? Let's say the average person has about 100 friends and family members that they really deeply care about. So now the chances of someone you really deeply care about being shot in a mass shooting over the next 10 years drop all the way down to 1 in a 100. Of course, the average person lives about 8 decades, not just one. So the chance of someone you love being shot in a mass shooting in your lifetime could potentially be 1 in 12, if we do nothing and these trends stabiliize right where they're at. Now, let's switch from "mass shootings" to simply "getting shot". Now the odds of it happening to you personally drop all the way down to 1 in 50, and the odds of it happening to one of the 100 closest people in your life approach 50-50. (And, for many people, it will be more than one friend.) Does that make it the most significant thing to worry about? Of course not. But it is a far more significant statistical likelihood than being shot by, say, a Musilm terrorist or a random refugee. Edited December 5, 2015 by Bangkok Herps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 <snip> Some figures. "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence."The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Let's do take a look at your numbers. 1. With the current US population standing at 318.9 million, your chance of being caught in one of the 353 mass shootings is... ----1 in 903,400---- 2. Since 144 of the 353 mass shootings resulted in no deaths, that means total mass shootings resulting in death came to 209 incidents. This further means your chance of getting caught in a fatal mass shooting incident is now... ----1 in 1,525,838---- 3. Now of the remaining 209 deadly mass shootings. a total of 103 of them resulted in only one death. You would have to be incredibly unlucky to become one of the single fatality mass shootings so far this year. You would be... ----1 in 3,096,117---- 4. The total remaining mass shootings where more than one person died is now 106. Your chance of getting caught up in one of these is... ----1 in 3,008,490---- If you are in the US, the odds are certainly in your favor. If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially. The sky is not really falling. People incompetent at basic logic probably should not use numbers. Your entire line of reasoning is derived from dividing the population by the number of shootings. That's completely nonsensical. There are anywhere from 4 to 30 victims in each mass shooting. So from the very beginning your logic is off - if you want to actually measure your chances, you have to divide by the number of victims, not the number of shootings. With a range of 4-30 victims, let's cheat and say the average # of victims is 9 (probably a bit high, but not too much). Taking your first number, which is your actual chance of getting shot (apparently you're cool with getting shot if you don't die???) and the chance of being shot in a mass shooting drops to somewhere around 1 in 100,000. That's just the basic ignorance in the post. But there are other things to think about. That number is only your chance of it happening THIS year. If we stay at a similar annual rate of mass shootings because we don't address the problem, then the chances of getting shot over the next 10 years would drop to 1 in 10,000. Of course, that's a completely self-centered figure. Do you only care if you're the victim? Let's say the average person has about 100 friends and family members that they really deeply care about. So now the chances of someone you really deeply care about being shot in a mass shooting over the next 10 years drop all the way down to 1 in a 100. Of course, the average person lives about 8 decades, not just one. So the chance of someone you love being shot in a mass shooting in your lifetime could potentially be 1 in 12, if we do nothing and these trends stabiliize right where they're at. Now, let's switch from "mass shootings" to simply "getting shot". Now the odds of it happening to you personally drop all the way down to 1 in 50, and the odds of it happening to one of the 100 closest people in your life approach 50-50. (And, for many people, it will be more than one friend.) Does that make it the most significant thing to worry about? Of course not. But it is a far more significant statistical likelihood than being shot by, say, a Musilm terrorist or a random refugee. Now, if you can climb down from your sarcasm laced high horse, let me point out a couple of things. You will note I said getting caught up in the "incidents", not being a fatality. I never intended it to be any other way. If you want to do it another way, the forum is yours. Break a leg. Personally, I was raised in Texas. Always carried a gun to kill rattlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Herps Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Let's do take a look at your numbers. 1. With the current US population standing at 318.9 million, your chance of being caught in one of the 353 mass shootings is... ----1 in 903,400---- 2. Since 144 of the 353 mass shootings resulted in no deaths, that means total mass shootings resulting in death came to 209 incidents. This further means your chance of getting caught in a fatal mass shooting incident is now... ----1 in 1,525,838---- 3. Now of the remaining 209 deadly mass shootings. a total of 103 of them resulted in only one death. You would have to be incredibly unlucky to become one of the single fatality mass shootings so far this year. You would be... ----1 in 3,096,117---- 4. The total remaining mass shootings where more than one person died is now 106. Your chance of getting caught up in one of these is... ----1 in 3,008,490---- If you are in the US, the odds are certainly in your favor. If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially. The sky is not really falling. People incompetent at basic logic probably should not use numbers. Your entire line of reasoning is derived from dividing the population by the number of shootings. That's completely nonsensical. There are anywhere from 4 to 30 victims in each mass shooting. So from the very beginning your logic is off - if you want to actually measure your chances, you have to divide by the number of victims, not the number of shootings. With a range of 4-30 victims, let's cheat and say the average # of victims is 9 (probably a bit high, but not too much). Taking your first number, which is your actual chance of getting shot (apparently you're cool with getting shot if you don't die???) and the chance of being shot in a mass shooting drops to somewhere around 1 in 100,000. That's just the basic ignorance in the post. But there are other things to think about. That number is only your chance of it happening THIS year. If we stay at a similar annual rate of mass shootings because we don't address the problem, then the chances of getting shot over the next 10 years would drop to 1 in 10,000. Of course, that's a completely self-centered figure. Do you only care if you're the victim? Let's say the average person has about 100 friends and family members that they really deeply care about. So now the chances of someone you really deeply care about being shot in a mass shooting over the next 10 years drop all the way down to 1 in a 100. Of course, the average person lives about 8 decades, not just one. So the chance of someone you love being shot in a mass shooting in your lifetime could potentially be 1 in 12, if we do nothing and these trends stabiliize right where they're at. Now, let's switch from "mass shootings" to simply "getting shot". Now the odds of it happening to you personally drop all the way down to 1 in 50, and the odds of it happening to one of the 100 closest people in your life approach 50-50. (And, for many people, it will be more than one friend.) Does that make it the most significant thing to worry about? Of course not. But it is a far more significant statistical likelihood than being shot by, say, a Musilm terrorist or a random refugee. Now, if you can climb down from your sarcasm laced high horse, let me point out a couple of things. You will note I said getting caught up in the "incidents", not being a fatality. I never intended it to be any other way. If you want to do it another way, the forum is yours. Break a leg. Personally, I was raised in Texas. Always carried a gun to kill rattlers. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Still failing at the logic test. You CAN'T divide into the population to determine your likelihood of being "caught up in the incidents", because far more than one person is caught up in each incident. Here's a parallel. It's like saying, "There are 100 million children in America, but only 100 thousand schools, therefore children only have a 1 in a 1000 chance of attending a school." I hope you get what you did wrong now. And the "shooting rattlers in Texas" story just digs your hole deeper. What, was the rattler gonna jump up and bite you but you just barely managed to shoot it in time? You'd have to be a total idiot to get bit by a rattler you already saw. You'd be much more likely to kill your wife while trying to kill the snake, or kill some little kid, or shoot your brother, or shoot your friend, or shoot yourself like this guy or this guy or this guy or this guy or this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FritsSikkink Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Let's do take a look at your numbers. 1. With the current US population standing at 318.9 million, your chance of being caught in one of the 353 mass shootings is... ----1 in 903,400---- 2. Since 144 of the 353 mass shootings resulted in no deaths, that means total mass shootings resulting in death came to 209 incidents. This further means your chance of getting caught in a fatal mass shooting incident is now... ----1 in 1,525,838---- 3. Now of the remaining 209 deadly mass shootings. a total of 103 of them resulted in only one death. You would have to be incredibly unlucky to become one of the single fatality mass shootings so far this year. You would be... ----1 in 3,096,117---- 4. The total remaining mass shootings where more than one person died is now 106. Your chance of getting caught up in one of these is... ----1 in 3,008,490---- If you are in the US, the odds are certainly in your favor. If you are not in the US, your odds are increased exponentially. The sky is not really falling. People incompetent at basic logic probably should not use numbers.Your entire line of reasoning is derived from dividing the population by the number of shootings. That's completely nonsensical. There are anywhere from 4 to 30 victims in each mass shooting. So from the very beginning your logic is off - if you want to actually measure your chances, you have to divide by the number of victims, not the number of shootings. With a range of 4-30 victims, let's cheat and say the average # of victims is 9 (probably a bit high, but not too much). Taking your first number, which is your actual chance of getting shot (apparently you're cool with getting shot if you don't die???) and the chance of being shot in a mass shooting drops to somewhere around 1 in 100,000. That's just the basic ignorance in the post. But there are other things to think about. That number is only your chance of it happening THIS year. If we stay at a similar annual rate of mass shootings because we don't address the problem, then the chances of getting shot over the next 10 years would drop to 1 in 10,000. Of course, that's a completely self-centered figure. Do you only care if you're the victim? Let's say the average person has about 100 friends and family members that they really deeply care about. So now the chances of someone you really deeply care about being shot in a mass shooting over the next 10 years drop all the way down to 1 in a 100. Of course, the average person lives about 8 decades, not just one. So the chance of someone you love being shot in a mass shooting in your lifetime could potentially be 1 in 12, if we do nothing and these trends stabiliize right where they're at. Now, let's switch from "mass shootings" to simply "getting shot". Now the odds of it happening to you personally drop all the way down to 1 in 50, and the odds of it happening to one of the 100 closest people in your life approach 50-50. (And, for many people, it will be more than one friend.) Does that make it the most significant thing to worry about? Of course not. But it is a far more significant statistical likelihood than being shot by, say, a Musilm terrorist or a random refugee. Now, if you can climb down from your sarcasm laced high horse, let me point out a couple of things. You will note I said getting caught up in the "incidents", not being a fatality. I never intended it to be any other way. If you want to do it another way, the forum is yours. Break a leg. Personally, I was raised in Texas. Always carried a gun to kill rattlers. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Still failing at the logic test. You CAN'T divide into the population to determine your likelihood of being "caught up in the incidents", because far more than one person is caught up in each incident. Here's a parallel. It's like saying, "There are 100 million children in America, but only 100 thousand schools, therefore children only have a 1 in a 1000 chance of attending a school." I hope you get what you did wrong now. And the "shooting rattlers in Texas" story just digs your hole deeper. What, was the rattler gonna jump up and bite you but you just barely managed to shoot it in time? You'd have to be a total idiot to get bit by a rattler you already saw. You'd be much more likely to kill your wife while trying to kill the snake, or kill some little kid, or shoot your brother, or shoot your friend, or shoot yourself like this guy or this guy or this guy or this guy or this guy. nra addepts will never get what they get wrong until 1 of their kids kills the other 1 by accident Edited December 6, 2015 by FritsSikkink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 And how many auto accidents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadee Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I can't believe how much worldwide media attention mass-shootings in the US command. All the front-page articles, column inches, it really doesn't concern anyone outside of America, I don't see how it's that newsworthy. True, Americans live around the world so may want to read it, but it makes little sense to make it seem so important on international papers. The killers crave this, it may be best not to give them the attention they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I can't believe how much worldwide media attention mass-shootings in the US command. All the front-page articles, column inches, it really doesn't concern anyone outside of America, I don't see how it's that newsworthy. True, Americans live around the world so may want to read it, but it makes little sense to make it seem so important on international papers. The killers crave this, it may be best not to give them the attention they deserve. No worries, the increasing numbers are making it less newsworthy fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Came across this observation rthe other day.... "There’s something seriously wrong with a country that thinks healthcare is a privilege but owning a gun is a right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 <snip> Some figures. "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence."The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Let's do take a look at your numbers. The sky is not really falling. Obviously 62 shootings at schools is of little concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) I can't believe how much worldwide media attention mass-shootings in the US command. All the front-page articles, column inches, it really doesn't concern anyone outside of America, I don't see how it's that newsworthy. True, Americans live around the world so may want to read it, but it makes little sense to make it seem so important on international papers. The killers crave this, it may be best not to give them the attention they deserve. it is of no concern to people outside the USA, fine when are you starting to mind your own business and stay within the borders of your own country and stop starting wars Edited December 7, 2015 by FritsSikkink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I can't believe how much worldwide media attention mass-shootings in the US command. All the front-page articles, column inches, it really doesn't concern anyone outside of America, I don't see how it's that newsworthy. True, Americans live around the world so may want to read it, but it makes little sense to make it seem so important on international papers. The killers crave this, it may be best not to give them the attention they deserve. it is of no concern to people outside the USA, fine when are you starting to mind your own business and stay within the borders of your own country and stop starting wars One of the most facile posts on the thread, it shows the kind of (limited) mentality that allows a country like the US to slip into such a disgraceful mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 "For the 17th time since he was sworn in as US president, Barack Obama attempted on Thursday to make some sense of an act of mass gun violence."The statistics US gun crime in 2015 Figures up to 3 December 353 Mass shootings 62 shootings at schools 12,223 people killed in gun incidents 24,722 people injured in gun incidents Source: Shooting tracker, Gun Violence Archive AP Mass shootings: The attack in San Bernardino was the 353rd mass shooting this year. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting, which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Source: Mass Shooting Tracker http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Let's do take a look at your numbers. The sky is not really falling. Obviously 62 shootings at schools is of little concern. One shooting is of concern so please don't try and picture me as something I am not. FactCheck in an article from June 2014 addresses school shooting claims by both The Brady Campaign and Everytown. The analysis states in conclusion... "Everytown for Gun Safety is, of course, free to use whatever definition of “school shooting” it desires. But we find the group’s methodology overstates the number of school shootings. By our count, as of June 10, 2014, there had been 34 school shootings — not 74 — since the Sandy Hook shooting on Dec. 14, 2012." -------------------------------------------------------------------- Spinning Statistics on School Shootings By Alexander NachtPosted on June 25, 2014 Article here: http://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/spinning-statistics-on-school-shootings/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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