Koh Tao murders: 2 DNA profiles from alleged murder weapon do not match defendants' DNA

[Wifflewaffle]

So the B2 claim they got to drunk to remember anything went for a swim, then lost there clothes and also found a phone identical to Davids.

Then we have the video of running man wearing what seems to be be Davids shorts holding what looks like a phone.

"This indicated that he mistakenly grabbed the pants of the victim to wear and left his own at the scene in a hurry as shown in the CCTV showing he ran past."

- See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/new-evidence-found-in-tourists-murder-case-48818.php#sthash.rlDNBwfp.dpuf

[thailandchilli]

Well shoot when someone goes swimming at 2 or 3 in the morning when they are so drunk that they can hardly walk, why in the world should they expect their clothes to still be there when they get out of the water and decide to walk home?

I don't follow evidence I just read this:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/855163-koh-tao-murders-2-dna-profiles-from-alleged-murder-weapon-do-not-match-defendants-dna/page-34#entry9853528

The absence of Hannah clothes is absolute proof that the rtp fabricated this case. Deliberate removal of key evidence is a criminal offence. I'm amazed the defence hasn't thrown the book at the Rtp.

Of course, all this latest talk merrily skips over the issue of whether the clothes disappearing is true or not.

[Fat Haggis]

Reports then emerged from the Burmese community that nine Burmese had been playing a ball game when they were approached by police, one member told reporters that the three suspects, who were working and residing illegally in the country should flea, which they did. The remaining six were apprehended , one went on to say that the police tortured them with boiling water, before apprehending the three that fled. Two of those three Saw and Wyn were the two Burmese who took part in the reconstruction and whose DNA has been said to match that at the crime scene,

The third man, Mau, is apparently still in custody but has denied any involvement in the case.

http://www.samuitimes.com/international-confusion-murder-reconstruction-koh-tao/

Take your pick HEY!!!!

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today.

The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world.

He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation.

Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said.

Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

9-23-2014-3-14-56-PM-wpcf_728x413.jpg

And all of these people had their DNA Tested later, and since there was no match with Hannah, they were no longer a suspect. The 2 Accused however is alleged to have matched with Hannah. See the difference?

Did they? I mean really ? did they? We've only got someones word (as in senior RTP personnel) they were tested and eliminated from the inquiries, you would then ass u me that these samples are still available to be retested then correct should there be an upset over the "claims" that the current DNA matched?

[stephenterry]

Reports then emerged from the Burmese community that nine Burmese had been playing a ball game when they were approached by police, one member told reporters that the three suspects, who were working and residing illegally in the country should flea, which they did. The remaining six were apprehended , one went on to say that the police tortured them with boiling water, before apprehending the three that fled. Two of those three Saw and Wyn were the two Burmese who took part in the reconstruction and whose DNA has been said to match that at the crime scene,

The third man, Mau, is apparently still in custody but has denied any involvement in the case.

http://www.samuitimes.com/international-confusion-murder-reconstruction-koh-tao/

Take your pick HEY!!!!

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today.

The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world.

He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation.

Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said.

Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

9-23-2014-3-14-56-PM-wpcf_728x413.jpg

And all of these people had their DNA Tested later, and since there was no match with Hannah, they were no longer a suspect. The 2 Accused however is alleged to have matched with Hannah. See the difference?

Yes I see the difference and I'm still waiting for any of it to be substantiated. As of now, it's just hearsay not evidence.

[Fat Haggis]

another new member with an all to familiar mantra!!

[AleG]

As I said before, it beggars belief that the police would just happen to pick two scapegoats that just happened to had found that phone on that night.

It also seems very, shall we say, odd that the people clamoring for the truth don't seem to be interested in getting to the bottom of that issue.

Yes that is odd AleG. But do you want to know what I find even odder than that? It is where did all those people go, and the Media, who were screaming for months for a "Fair and Transparent Trial'? Here is what I mean.

On one hand you have a High Ranking Police Officer who made an Official Request to the UK Police (I gather) to help identify the said David Miller's Mobile Phone. Had this phone not belonged to David then this would help the Defense. Had it belonged to David then of course it would have helped the Prosecution. But the reply they got was they were unable to supply official documentation on this as this involved a murder trail which carries the death penalty. Although a Witness testified he had verbal conformation on this subject.

On the other hand and for months we have heard that the Defense has damning evidence from the UK that will discredit the RTP DNA that was recently given to them from a Forensic Expert in the UK, who preformed an autopsy on Hannah. Hum??? Who this said person allegedly passed on these official documents and this information onto the Defense Team only.

But do we know what this evidence is? No!No! No! It is so secret that nobody in the court room knew what it was as they refused to disclose this. Not even the Prosecution so they would have a chance to debate it or the validity of those documents. Instead they passed it under the table for the judges to view alone.

All I know for sure is if the shoe was on the other foot, and it was the Prosecution who did that, and not the Defense, this whole blog would be buzzing with people complaining and calling Prosecution and Police every name under the sun. But now it is so quiet here and nobody even mentions that, except me right now.

Maybe that isn't so odd after all.

It's just double standards at work, not for the first time.

For example with the hoe, up until the retesting that found one complete and one partial DNA result the mantra from the defense fan base was that the crime scene had been horribly mismanaged and contaminated and all evidence from it should be summarily dismissed. Now all of the sudden the tune changes.

Or picking up one of the several suspects the police named as The Suspect, while in pretty much every other aspect dismissing anything else coming from the police as being lies or mistakes.

Or going from praising the UK investigators being the saviours coming to the rescue, to them being stooges the moment their report didn't support the defense case.

Or the UK coroner being part of the conspiracy to being a brave voice against the forces of evil.

And so on and so forth.

Going back to the phone I wonder at what point the UK authorities will release their findings, would it be after a verdict is announced or will it be withheld if there are appeals?

It's very unfortunate, and outdated IMO, to have a policy of not providing (at least officially) information in cases were a death penalty is at stake. The World is a very connected place this days, and as in this case information available in one country can be instrumental in determining events half way across the globe.

Edited September 14, 2015 by AleG

[thailandchilli]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

My thought is it may be the green/yellowish towel that was placed over Hannah's head and was mentioned in court. When asked where it was the RTP witness said he had no idea. Another key piece of evidence that could hold vital DNA traces missing

[Rykbanlor]

Don't slide on the deck, the boat is tilted 45 degrees already.

[StealthEnergiser]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

My thought is it may be the green/yellowish towel that was placed over Hannah's head and was mentioned in court. When asked where it was the RTP witness said he had no idea. Another key piece of evidence that could hold vital DNA traces missing

I am not to sure it looks a bit big for towel but you may be right , i was thinking possibly a blanket to carry a body or bodies in but we will never as it's another item that has fell out of the shopping trolley.

[AleG]

Pornthip says clothes not examined for DNA, Andy Hall turns it into we don't know where the clothes are and the Internet detectives one up it to them being destroyed by the police to protect the real killers.

Finding the truth by playing Chinese whispers, what could go wrong?

[StealthEnergiser]

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Thanks 'you' who just donated another £1000 to MWRN's Justice: Koh Tao Murder Case fundraiser

[catsanddogs]

I don't care about the late Ms. Witherdge's clothes. I am just stating that there was a alleged theft of clothing earlier that evening that has never been questioned by anyone like that's a normal occurrence when someone goes swimming at 2 or 3 AM.

I see your point Crab. Maybe more will be revealed at the next hearing? The only thing I can add to this strange 'occurence' is (and I have banged on about it many times) that Maung Maung appeared to be wearing the top in CCTV in the early hours of the morning that one of the B2 were wearing earlier on in the evening in the CCTV of the three of them on the bike. I previously speculated that maybe Maung Maung stole it for a joke, or possibly more sinister reasons. Got any ideas about the theft of their clothes yourself?

[rockingrobin]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

My thought is it may be the green/yellowish towel that was placed over Hannah's head and was mentioned in court. When asked where it was the RTP witness said he had no idea. Another key piece of evidence that could hold vital DNA traces missing

I am not to sure it looks a bit big for towel but you may be right , i was thinking possibly a blanket to carry a body or bodies in but we will never as it's another item that has fell out of the shopping trolley.

Its not the towel , there is another picture where it is covering a square ish object

[catsanddogs]

Reports then emerged from the Burmese community that nine Burmese had been playing a ball game when they were approached by police, one member told reporters that the three suspects, who were working and residing illegally in the country should flea, which they did. The remaining six were apprehended , one went on to say that the police tortured them with boiling water, before apprehending the three that fled. Two of those three Saw and Wyn were the two Burmese who took part in the reconstruction and whose DNA has been said to match that at the crime scene,

The third man, Mau, is apparently still in custody but has denied any involvement in the case.

http://www.samuitimes.com/international-confusion-murder-reconstruction-koh-tao/

Take your pick HEY!!!!

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

He said the southern police were coordinating with the metropolitan police to hunt him down, and expected to apprehend him today.

The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world.

He also dismissed any suggestion of local mafias or influential people that could twist the investigation with promise that local influence would pose no obstacle to the police investigation.

Instead the police will eliminate all these mafias, he said.

Meanwhile a police source said the police are also looking into the cooperation of those who helped to arrange the suspect to escape. They also will be arrested.

9-23-2014-3-14-56-PM-wpcf_728x413.jpg

And all of these people had their DNA Tested later, and since there was no match with Hannah, they were no longer a suspect. The 2 Accused however is alleged to have matched with Hannah. See the difference?

In a moment of weakness I read your post. Damn! Got stomach cramps from laughing now.

[thailandchilli]

Pornthip says clothes not examined for DNA, Andy Hall turns it into we don't know where the clothes are and the Internet detectives one up it to them being destroyed by the police to protect the real killers.

Finding the truth by playing Chinese whispers, what could go wrong?

To avoid Chinese whispers would have been very easy, do a competent and transparent investigation, in other words provide a fair trial. Forensically examine the clothes and check for DNA would have been a start. Is it going to happen? I very much doubt it and so another key piece of evidence "missing" from the investigation

[thailandchilli]

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Ran out of likes but this needs to be applauded

[catsanddogs]

I not trying to witty at all -- everyone seems to take the B2's claim that their clothes disappeared at face value like clothes always disappear.

So your saying its possible that a knicker sniffer in phucket heard about the rape and murder then jumped up and traveled to KT post haste?

A large portion of the civilized world will be laughing at your post.

Hell, if they were as blind drunk as someone suggested they were earlier, maybe they couldn't even find their clothes, in their advanced state!!

Maybe they were swimming when the murder went down, and bolted without them?

Maybe this, maybe that. This lengthy back and forth is a little futile as far as it's come, maybe we'll discover more information on it when the trial resumes. Hopefully. The 22nd?

Your 2nd maybe sounds quite plausible to me

[stephenterry]

The absence of Hannah's clothes on the official evidence list means only one thing to me. The perpetrators DNA were on them. Logically it's not the b2 or the clothes would have been evidence. And that's a sad indictment of the Rtp callous disregard of them.

[Rykbanlor]

I not trying to witty at all -- everyone seems to take the B2's claim that their clothes disappeared at face value like clothes always disappear.

So your saying its possible that a knicker sniffer in phucket heard about the rape and murder then jumped up and traveled to KT post haste?

A large portion of the civilized world will be laughing at your post.

Hell, if they were as blind drunk as someone suggested they were earlier, maybe they couldn't even find their clothes, in their advanced state!!

Maybe they were swimming when the murder went down, and bolted without them?

Maybe this, maybe that. This lengthy back and forth is a little futile as far as it's come, maybe we'll discover more information on it when the trial resumes. Hopefully. The 22nd?

Your 2nd maybe sounds quite plausible to me

It certainly could fit into a theory that whilst maybe not guilty of the crime, guilty of knowing more than they say.

[catsanddogs]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

SE - there was a lot of discussion about what the yellow thing could be on TV when the pictures were first posted. There was also a lot of talk about whether there were two pairs of trouser/shorts in the pictures. Something I just noticed which I hadn't before is that on the photo where the clothes are scattered the belt appears to be through the belt loops of the DARK BLUE jeans. Dark blue denim jeans have dark blue denim belt loops of course. But on the photo where the clothes are piled neatly the belt appears (if it is the same belt) to be through a pair of trousers or shorts with LIGHT BLUE loops.

[stephenterry]

I not trying to witty at all -- everyone seems to take the B2's claim that their clothes disappeared at face value like clothes always disappear.

So your saying its possible that a knicker sniffer in phucket heard about the rape and murder then jumped up and traveled to KT post haste?

A large portion of the civilized world will be laughing at your post.

Hell, if they were as blind drunk as someone suggested they were earlier, maybe they couldn't even find their clothes, in their advanced state!!

Maybe they were swimming when the murder went down, and bolted without them?

Maybe this, maybe that. This lengthy back and forth is a little futile as far as it's come, maybe we'll discover more information on it when the trial resumes. Hopefully. The 22nd?

Your 2nd maybe sounds quite plausible to me

It certainly could fit into a theory that whilst maybe not guilty of the crime, guilty of knowing more than they say.

I suggest that being incarcerated in prison is not the safest place to be disclosing more than they need to if in fact they do know more.

[catsanddogs]

So the B2 claim they got to drunk to remember anything went for a swim, then lost there clothes and also found a phone identical to Davids.

Then we have the video of running man wearing what seems to be be Davids shorts holding what looks like a phone.

"This indicated that he mistakenly grabbed the pants of the victim to wear and left his own at the scene in a hurry as shown in the CCTV showing he ran past."

- See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/new-evidence-found-in-tourists-murder-case-48818.php#sthash.rlDNBwfp.dpuf

Tall David's shorts would have likely come well below Short running man's knees I imagine.

[newcomer71]

I had the misfortune to came across pictures of Hannah, the one leaked from some "policeman".

She had the skirt on and the pink top lowered... So I guess her clothes weren't stolen and we have a proof of that.

Pretty clear.

[catsanddogs]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

My thought is it may be the green/yellowish towel that was placed over Hannah's head and was mentioned in court. When asked where it was the RTP witness said he had no idea. Another key piece of evidence that could hold vital DNA traces missing

I am not to sure it looks a bit big for towel but you may be right , i was thinking possibly a blanket to carry a body or bodies in but we will never as it's another item that has fell out of the shopping trolley.

Maybe there are some pics somewhere of inside Ocean View rooms that would highlight if they use blankets on the beds?

[StealthEnergiser]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

SE - there was a lot of discussion about what the yellow thing could be on TV when the pictures were first posted. There was also a lot of talk about whether there were two pairs of trouser/shorts in the pictures. Something I just noticed which I hadn't before is that on the photo where the clothes are scattered the belt appears to be through the belt loops of the DARK BLUE jeans. Dark blue denim jeans have dark blue denim belt loops of course. But on the photo where the clothes are piled neatly the belt appears (if it is the same belt) to be through a pair of trousers or shorts with LIGHT BLUE loops.

It does look like that I zoomed in a bit but hard to tell with my eyes.

[catsanddogs]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

SE - there was a lot of discussion about what the yellow thing could be on TV when the pictures were first posted. There was also a lot of talk about whether there were two pairs of trouser/shorts in the pictures. Something I just noticed which I hadn't before is that on the photo where the clothes are scattered the belt appears to be through the belt loops of the DARK BLUE jeans. Dark blue denim jeans have dark blue denim belt loops of course. But on the photo where the clothes are piled neatly the belt appears (if it is the same belt) to be through a pair of trousers or shorts with LIGHT BLUE loops.

It does look like that I zoomed in a bit but hard to tell with my eyes.

Looks that way through strong magnifying glass to me.

[StealthEnergiser]

Talking about the clothes I am sure that most have seen this photo with david laying in the water in the background (sorry to both families )

But has anyone mentioned what the yellow type material is on the rocks to the right ? I was thinking maybe it was a blanket.

clothes kohtao.jpg

clothes2.jpg

My thought is it may be the green/yellowish towel that was placed over Hannah's head and was mentioned in court. When asked where it was the RTP witness said he had no idea. Another key piece of evidence that could hold vital DNA traces missing

I am not to sure it looks a bit big for towel but you may be right , i was thinking possibly a blanket to carry a body or bodies in but we will never as it's another item that has fell out of the shopping trolley.

Maybe there are some pics somewhere of inside Ocean View rooms that would highlight if they use blankets on the beds?

Yes your probably right they kept towels there the same that was on Hannah I saw a photo on csila.

[StealthEnergiser]

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Tonight is the 1 year anniversary of the tragic killings of Hannah Witheridge/David Miller on Koh Tao in Thailand.

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Myself/MWRN join as part of Koh Tao defense team to send our deepest sympathies to families/friends of the 2 deceased