webfact Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 More than 700 pilgrims die in stampede at Hajj near MeccaMECCA: -- More than 700 dead and over 850 injured is the sickening death toll following a stampede near Mecca during the Hajj religious festival.Pilgrims were on their way to the “stoning of the devil” ritual at the pillars of Jamarat when two large groups met at a crossroads in the tented town in Mina valley.The Hajj is the world’s largest annual gathering of people and there have been regular accidents in Mecca, despite the Saudi authorities spending billions to improve infrastructure.“ I express my condolences to me, to you and to all pilgrims for the stampede that happened today in Mina. I also express my condolences to the relatives of the victims. We asked the concerned authorities to investigate into the causes of the dramatic incident and come out with the results of the investigations as soon as possible,” said King Salman bin Abdulaziz.The Saudi Health Minister said pilgrims failing to follow instructions had been the main cause of the tragedy, the worst in Mecca for a quarter-century.Security at the Hajj is a politically sensitive issue for Saudi Arabia, the guardians of the Islamic world’s most sacred sites.Previous tragedies at Mecca:January 2006: 346 pilgrims killed and 289 injured in the “stoning of the devil” at Mina, during the last day of Hajj.February 2004: 251 people killed and 244 injured during a ritual at Mina.April 1998: around 180 pilgrims trampled to death, panic broke out after many fell from an overpass.April 1997: 343 pilgrims killed and 1,500 injured in a fire in an overcrowded tent at Mina.July 1990: 1,426 people killed, mainly Pakistani and Indonesian pilgrims, in a stampede in an overcrowded pedestrian tunnel connecting Mecca, Mina and Arafat.July 1987: 402 pilgrims killed and thousands injured in a clash between Iranian demonstrators and Saudi security forces.December 1975: 200 pilgrims killed in a fire in a tent colony.-- euronews 2015-09-25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 In crowds we all become nothing more than mere ants that people will push and shove to get through. In these events, we don't look at people as individuals, we see them as annoyances. Shame. I don't think stampedes work like that….i haven't been in one but it is like a powerful wave that knocks you off your feet. No one has any control over their movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 There's nothing particularly new about such events. Deaths running at on average ten a year over 40 years http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260232/going-mecca-has-killed-4000-muslims-40-years-daniel-greenfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exbikey Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Inshallah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Allah works in mysterious ways You are right in the Book of Job we are taught not question God Will Amen Brother I believe God knows what he did you would fit in well here in Thailand, don't question anything. I think he knew what he was doing, killing the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Isnt this karma ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esprit Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Praise be to Allah. Roll on for next years fatal stupidity. Good to hear the Saudis are blaming it on the Africans rather than their own crase negligence in organising such an event. Hopefully by the time the 20,000 or so Saudi Royals get round to spending a larger proportion of their billions on crowd safety the IS will have taken over and put and end to it and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) They are in Mecca, on the pilgramage dieing in such a situation must be an automatic ticket to heaven for them Edited September 25, 2015 by gandalf12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Off-topic post and reply removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 This articles claims 717 more killed in HAJJ stampede in Saudi... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34346449Gotta love religion.. tolerance, long suffering, kindness, peace, good will.... what's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 Saudi Arabia says death toll in Mecca stampede could riseEnglish.news.cn RIYADH, Sept. 25 (Xinhua) -- Saudi Arabia said the death toll in Thursday's stampede in Mina, neighboring the holy city Mecca, is expected to rise, Al Arabiya local news channel reported.Earlier reports said 717 pilgrims died and 863 injured during a major Hajj ritual of throwing pebbles at one of the three walls representing Satan, the symbolic "stoning of the devil."The Saudi Interior Ministry told a press conference that the incident was dealt with plans, but the procedures to deal with the performing of this ritual will be reviewed to overcome such mishaps in the coming years.The authority said the incident was initially triggered by the pilgrims moving in opposite directions. "We will be investigating the incident as it happened in a narrow road that isn't usually used by pilgrims, as it is closed to the camping areas in Mina," a spokesperson said, adding that the high temperature may also be an additional reason.Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-09/25/c_134656849.htm-- Xinhua 2015-09-25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Any condolence message from barack hussein obama yet?No.Not sure why he should say anything. I don't see much difference from the Love Parade crowd crush deaths in Germany. It's a tragedy but not really relevant for a U.S. president to comment on. You (may) have missed his point Jingthing. A particular group in America are obsessed with President Obama middle name. They have never really got over the shock of discovering that he is rather darker than they view as the American ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakseeda Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Any condolence message from barack hussein obama yet?No. Not sure why he should say anything. I don't see much difference from the Love Parade crowd crush deaths in Germany. It's a tragedy but not really relevant for a U.S. president to comment on. You (may) have missed his point Jingthing. A particular group in America are obsessed with President Obama middle name. They have never really got over the shock of discovering that he is rather darker than they view as the American ideal. And let's all thank Donald (where's yoor troosers) Trump for telling the world about Obama. Rock on Donald...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorn Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Strange that it's ok for numerous people to make a joke out of hundreds who have died here. I imagine if a single person made a joke about the deaths of the two young white people in Koh Tao they would be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Strange that it's ok for numerous people to make a joke out of hundreds who have died here. I imagine if a single person made a joke about the deaths of the two young white people in Koh Tao they would be banned. Most likely some of the dead at the stampede were also young white people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Isnt this karma ? I believe religion and karma are both man made constructs to rationalize patterns in events. Having said that, if I were a religious Jew not allowed to pray at the holiest site in Judaism on its holiest day due to Palestinian rioters throwing stones at them, which were stockpiled inside the third holiest site in Islam I would be feeling more than a little schadenfreude right now. First the crane collapse on the Mosque in Mecca, followed by the stampede whilst stoning the devil! But these are all coincidences are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Troll posts and replies removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurene Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 The money that country has got and they cannot or will not organise a safer way for them to do their thing each year. Got to be easy really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Isnt this karma ? No. They were Muslims. Not dime store pop Buddhists. Next ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Didn't realize sheep were prone to stampeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It's the will of Allah, no need to think further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I can't think of a better place than Mecca for a Muslim to die. Maybe the Saudis just look at it as something that is supposed to happen from time to time , no need to change anything , they went to a better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Comments about moderation and replies have been removed. If you feel that a post breaks the rules, please use the report button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Sheep doesn't refer to just muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rob Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tight crowds of excited people, a sudden surge, people fall over, other people fall over them, panic sets in... Lots of innocent people taking part in an event of tradition and sentiment. A real tragedy. The big crowds must be part of the thrill, but there's obviously just too many people in the same place at the same time... the organizers have to take the blame. The schedule for events is relatively tight. Thus with hundreds of thousand, with varying languages cram and rush in a confined space a deadly outcome is seemingly assured for a great many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 2 killed, 1,000 injured trying to touch a life-size wooden statue of jesus a few months ago in the PI. http://www.rt.com/news/221395-pope-parade-thousand-injured/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick01827 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 KARMA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jones Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 72 virgins waiting in Paradise ... Oh no, thats only when they kill Non Muslims ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Isnt this karma ? No. They were Muslims. Not dime store pop Buddhists. Next ... is there any difference? both believing in a fantasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Well, I am not religious but it's silly to act like religion isn't a very important part of a huge percentage of people's lives. So in that sense, it is REAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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